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[darkkterror]

Pale Jackal, on 16 May 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

If you're already a consistent MWO player, the C-bill cost isn't that high if you consider the fact you won't need to buy XL engines for the Clan chassis since they will come installed, as will DHS, Endo-steel, and FF. Don't get me wrong, it's higher than I'd like, but I already have numerous excess Standard engines, and several XL engines that I bought on a whim but don't really use. Not to mention several redundant modules for my hero / Founder's 'mechs.

Sure, there's a few Scrooge McDucks out there that will just empty their money bins and be swimming in Clan Mechs. Me? I'd have to play a few hundred matches to be able to afford a single Dire Wolf right now. And I really want a Dire Wolf

[Alaskan Nobody]

darkkterror, on 16 May 2014 - 04:36 PM, said:

Me? I'd have to play a few hundred matches to be able to afford a single Dire Wolf right now. And I really want a Dire Wolf

I traded work for my sister (cleaning her house and the like) for the packages.
If you want something bad enough - there is almost always a way to get it.

[hybrid black]

yah i look at it as a lot less time doing the not so fun stuff in game with just a little real life work

[Alaskan Nobody]

hybrid86, on 16 May 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

Yah i look at it as a lot less time doing the not so fun stuff in game with just a little real life work

An interesting (and well put) way of looking at it.

The direct exchange not being available for everyone (such as myself)
If you want it, but cannot afford it - look to your friends and family, see if there is any work they would pay you for.

20$ for mowing the lawn 3 times doesn't sound like much (as a completely random example - my sister didn't have a lawn ) but you get 5 people you know to agree to that and you get $100.
(that example probably works better for the younger end of the players though)

[Pale Jackal]

hybrid86, on 16 May 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

yah i look at it as a lot less time doing the not so fun stuff in game with just a little real life work

It'd make a lot more sense to me if you were a dedicated MW fan but had no 'mechs and then wanted to get into the game. However, if you already have numerous good 'mechs (CTF-3D, Atlas DDC, HGN-733C, etc. etc.) you should be enjoying the game with the 'mechs you got.

If the game isn't fun with a solid 'mech right now, it's not going to be any more fun with your shiny new Clan tech.

Certainly, in terms of time spent, if you have any sort of decent job it's easier to just throw money at PGI. I personally refuse to shell out $120 for a fraction of a game's content. But you will have plenty of time to grind the C-bills until Community Welfare comes online!

[Alaskan Nobody]

Pale Jackal, on 16 May 2014 - 04:52 PM, said:

.......
If the game isn't fun with a solid 'mech right now, it's not going to be any more fun with your shiny new Clan tech.
.....

Personally, I like playing with all the different mechs, some days I want to drive a Centurion, and find that fun, other days I would rather drive my Hunchback.
(as an example using two mechs of the same weight - and theoretically similar value of "good")

On the whole, good points though.

[Pale Jackal]

Shar Wolf, on 16 May 2014 - 04:44 PM, said:

20$ for mowing the lawn 3 times doesn't sound like much (as a completely random example - my sister didn't have a lawn ) but you get 5 people you know to agree to that and you get $100.
(that example probably works better for the younger end of the players though)

Let's put it another way:

$120 can easily buy you four AAA games within a few months of release. Some of them, undoubtedly, could have superior content and polish to MWO.

Buying a used clunker of a car for $10,000 might be wise if there are no other cars on the market, but it's not wise when you can get a car in good condition for $2500.

Like I said, if playing MWO is a chore for you, then buying the Clan package might make sense. Certainly a decent job will let you have your Clan pack in a few hours. But if playing MWO is a chore, I suggest you find another way to spend your time.

Anyhow, I will shut my pie hole. I have a keen sense of value, and $120 for 12 'mechs is not it. I will grant MWO the concession that I do probably play it more than many other games combined, but there's nothing I love more than trying to kill my foes in new and interesting ways.

Edited by Pale Jackal, 16 May 2014 - 04:58 PM.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Pale Jackal, on 16 May 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

Let's put it another way:

$120 can easily buy you four AAA games within a few months of release. Some of them, undoubtedly, could have superior content and polish to MWO.

Given the average quality of "AAA" games lately - lets compare it to something of actual value.

$120 is around 12+ classic games.

As for the rest of your attitude - yeah, keep straw manning, and thank you for not dragging that out.

[Alaskan Nobody]

In the end, value is relative - there are people who would scream and rage at the thought of someone buying a Mario game.

There are people who would scream and rage at the thought of buying a PC for gaming.

[BLOOD WOLF]

VigilanceHawkwind, on 16 May 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

My decision isn't based on a release schedule. It is based on the clan tech stats and the alternate configurations that will be released. I'm very motivated to throw down on a package. Any way your team can provide us on the fence guys with some further information before release? Id like to catch the Pre order if I can.

Thanks!

didn't they give us tech stats? we know already what potential the clan weapons have. what else can they give us?

If you dont know about Clan UAC's, watch NGNG mechs devs and beer #15

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 16 May 2014 - 05:41 PM.

[Mystere]

BLOOD WOLF, on 16 May 2014 - 05:29 PM, said:

didn't they give us tech stats? we know already what potential the clan weapons have. what else can they give us?

If you dont know about Clan UAC's, watch NGNG mechs devs and beer #15

Then kindly tell us, what are the range, heat, and damage values of a CERPPC? How about the CERML? What are the alternate variants that come with the packs?

[GalaxyBluestar]

Pale Jackal, on 16 May 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

If you're already a consistent MWO player, the C-bill cost isn't that high if you consider the fact you won't need to buy XL engines for the Clan chassis since they will come installed, as will DHS, Endo-steel, and FF. Don't get me wrong, it's higher than I'd like, but I already have numerous excess Standard engines, and several XL engines that I bought on a whim but don't really use. Not to mention several redundant modules for my hero / Founder's 'mechs.

On the other hand, new players will probably be affected by sticker shock, and MWO's player retention rate is already awful. Every friend I've introduced who's not a Battletech fan has not stuck with it, and my friend's list is pretty bare these days despite having a bunch of friends from old MW leagues.

I mean, if Clan 'mechs aren't over-powered, then piloting IS variants while you grind the C-bills isn't that bad. If Clan 'mechs are OP, well, then there's a problem, and you are further driving new players away from the game as they get creamed by superior Clan tech.

While MWO has made some progress, in some ways the game was better balanced when bugs buffed lights and SRMs.

I'm certainly not going to reward PGI's ridiculous behavior just because they want to price their digital items at absurd prices. MWO might be dead in a year for all we know.

much of that is intergrated into the clan price in general, standard orion with up grades cost around 15 mill. std price of madcat 24 mill. and that madcat is the prime, wanna upgrade to ppcs ect it becomes more.

now to mastering, orion is around 45 mill fully upgraded and madcats 76 mill without buying different weapons for it so it could be 80 mill or more.

enjoy your endless grind.

[Pale Jackal]

GalaxyBluestar, on 16 May 2014 - 06:30 PM, said:

much of that is intergrated into the clan price in general, standard orion with up grades cost around 15 mill. std price of madcat 24 mill. and that madcat is the prime, wanna upgrade to ppcs ect it becomes more.

now to mastering, orion is around 45 mill fully upgraded and madcats 76 mill without buying different weapons for it so it could be 80 mill or more.

enjoy your endless grind.

So, doubling the time to buy something suddenly makes for an "endless grind" ?

If MWO's grind does become unbearable, then I'll quit MWO. As I've said elsewhere, the game is an unpolished, buggy piece of poop. To pay $120 or $240 for content for this game is absurd, and I won't. I've never touched a free to play title prior to MWO, and the fact it's a Mechwarrior game is the only reason I did.

As an Overlord purchaser, how often do you use the 'mechs you purchased? That Locusts you paid $20 seeing a lot of play? What about the others? I have three hero 'mechs, my X-5, my Ilya, and my Founder's C1. The only one I'd buy again is the Ilya. Which isn't to say the C1 and X-5 are awful, but they are mediocre variants.

Maybe your experience is different. Maybe you're taking your SHD-2H with its 30% C-bill bonus (oh, and it's Loyalty point bonus, I think, right? Can't forget that!) and using its triple AC2s to rain hell on your foes. Or is this 'mech collecting dust too?

I'll pay the 11 million C-bills for the Nova, thanks.

[NoClass]

BLOOD WOLF, on 16 May 2014 - 05:29 PM, said:

didn't they give us tech stats? we know already what potential the clan weapons have. what else can they give us?

If you dont know about Clan UAC's, watch NGNG mechs devs and beer #15

Did they? I only keep up with what's in writing. I can't stomach videos mafe for and about video games.

[GalaxyBluestar]

Pale Jackal, on 16 May 2014 - 06:49 PM, said:

So, doubling the time to buy something suddenly makes for an "endless grind" ?

If MWO's grind does become unbearable, then I'll quit MWO. As I've said elsewhere, the game is an unpolished, buggy piece of poop. To pay $120 or $240 for content for this game is absurd, and I won't. I've never touched a free to play title prior to MWO, and the fact it's a Mechwarrior game is the only reason I did.

As an Overlord purchaser, how often do you use the 'mechs you purchased? That Locusts you paid $20 seeing a lot of play? What about the others? I have three hero 'mechs, my X-5, my Ilya, and my Founder's C1. The only one I'd buy again is the Ilya. Which isn't to say the C1 and X-5 are awful, but they are mediocre variants.

Maybe your experience is different. Maybe you're taking your SHD-2H with its 30% C-bill bonus (oh, and it's Loyalty point bonus, I think, right? Can't forget that!) and using its triple AC2s to rain hell on your foes. Or is this 'mech collecting dust too?

I'll pay the 11 million C-bills for the Nova, thanks.

unfortunately to get the battlemaster you have to get the locust and i use the battlemaster a fair deal so yeah slowly but surely i'm getting some money's worth out of it, though really that pack was for the loyalty points as i really want to avoid grinding them out playing for factions i don't like but hey pgi couldn't be bothered even giving us a counter to know how many points we've accumulated let alone what their use will be for. so that's why phoenix wasn't a good buy, cause it's not delivered yet not because some stuff in it isn't as usefull as other stuff.

now just think about joining the clans as a casual, if you want to build up a garage of mechs it already takes plenty of time for IS mechs {thanks to paul's c-bill nerf} and clans will be one stretch too much, just consider the newbie in that regard. i have a misery a phoenix battle master doing my playstyle cutting down the grind, that costs money to bypass grind. the clan mechs which cost so much more and can only be acessed via hundred dollar deals to cut the grind down... you're screwed if you want F2P and clan mechs of competative ability. think late 2015 when you can afford to do it cause that's how many F2P c-bill earnings you'll need literally hundreds and BTW you'll be buying omnipods too with MWO making them a hardpoint swap out system. pgi could've solved this by making clan trial mechs and a clan currency which would be comparative to the IS c-bill grind so that you can get each side mastered in simillar timespans but F2Ps will be circumvented to IS because you can get more usefull stuff there much quicker. not a good game functionality model considering clans have been balanced to be 1vs1 tech wise.

i'm sure you'll get that nova fast cuase you proberbly play everyday but really to master the nova is a minimum of {11.5 mill per mech} 34.5 mill which would also buy you 4 centurions of simillar ability or twice as many mechs which via pgi balancing would stand toe to toe with the clan mech. clans aren't worth it because the c-bill pricing reflects superior tech which is being nerfed for MWO. pay for fashion statement clans, grind twice as much for simillar clan stuffs or stick with IS. i recomend F2Ps stay away from clans, they're now well overated and well overpriced.

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 16 May 2014 - 07:10 PM.

[Black Arachne]

Mystere, on 16 May 2014 - 06:22 PM, said:

Then kindly tell us, what are the range, heat, and damage values of a CERPPC? How about the CERML? What are the alternate variants that come with the packs?

Let's not forget targeting computer - which is probably command console 2.0.

[Creovex]

Pale Jackal, on 16 May 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

Let's put it another way:

$120 can easily buy you four AAA games within a few months of release. Some of them, undoubtedly, could have superior content and polish to MWO.

Buying a used clunker of a car for $10,000 might be wise if there are no other cars on the market, but it's not wise when you can get a car in good condition for $2500.

Like I said, if playing MWO is a chore for you, then buying the Clan package might make sense. Certainly a decent job will let you have your Clan pack in a few hours. But if playing MWO is a chore, I suggest you find another way to spend your time.

Anyhow, I will shut my pie hole. I have a keen sense of value, and $120 for 12 'mechs is not it. I will grant MWO the concession that I do probably play it more than many other games combined, but there's nothing I love more than trying to kill my foes in new and interesting ways.

LOL when is the last time you found 4 AAA games for 120$? This isn't the early 2000s or even the late 1990s. Today its 50$+ per a single title.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Duncan Aravain, on 14 May 2014 - 05:26 PM, said:

People who are thinking of spending more money on MWO should continue to do so...

it helps keep the franchise up and running while I put the hold on spending any more myself till things improve.

lol!

[Pale Jackal]

Creovex, on 16 May 2014 - 07:22 PM, said:

LOL when is the last time you found 4 AAA games for 120$? This isn't the early 2000s or even the late 1990s. Today its 50$+ per a single title.

I said within a few months of release. You're a PC gamer, right? There's a few sites dedicated to PC game deals, or deals in general. Most titles drop to $30 within a few months of release these days, with a few exceptions.

While Titanfall may not be a AAA title, I randomly googled it and Origin has it on sale for 40% off. It was released what, February?

[Creovex]

Pale Jackal, on 16 May 2014 - 08:49 PM, said:

I said within a few months of release. You're a PC gamer, right? There's a few sites dedicated to PC game deals, or deals in general. Most titles drop to $30 within a few months of release these days, with a few exceptions.

While Titanfall may not be a AAA title, I randomly googled it and Origin has it on sale for 40% off. It was released what, February?

Yeah, Titanfall is a port.... Find me a PC game, not some **** box port. Yeah, we can all wait on Steam to throw a discount sale, but it is OLD content, not new content like this is advertising....