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[Ecrof]

I'm trying to decide how many Cbills to save to buy clan mechs. I need a goal so I can stop playing pokemech with IS mechs. Any ideas on how to figure out how much to save?

[Ngamok]

http://www.sarna.net...ory:BattleMechs

Edited by Ngamok, 15 May 2014 - 11:33 AM.

[Pygar]

Ngamok, on 15 May 2014 - 11:33 AM, said:

http://www.sarna.net...ory:BattleMechs

3025 JagerMech, listed at 5.2 million C-bills, 3025 Catapult 5.7 million.... Vulture (Mad Dog) listed at 15 million C-bills and change... so sounds like roughly 3 times the cost of comparable IS mechs is a reasonable ballpark estimate.

Edited by Pygar, 15 May 2014 - 11:42 AM.

[ProtoformX]

Kit Fox
Cost: 5,368,837 C-bills

Timberwolf
Cost: 24,233,124 C-bills

So it seems to be about twice as much as an equally equipped IS 'Mech.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Dire Wolf comes in at about 30 million. I'm hoping the price is lower since they're not supposed to be the OP clan mechs of lore. I've stopped buying anything and I just hope I'll have enough c-bills to get what I want quickly.

Edited by Rouken, 15 May 2014 - 11:42 AM.

[Zack Esseth]

Pygar, on 15 May 2014 - 11:39 AM, said:

JagerMech listed at 5.2 million C-bills, Vulture listed at 15 million C-bills and change... so sounds like roughly 3 times the cost of comparable IS mechs is a reasonable ballpark estimate.

15mill is probably just to buy the chassis. Your going to want more to refit it to your style. And wile you may not be paying for endo, FF, or double heat sink upgrades, you will be paying for different side torsos and arms to get the optimum hard points for what you want to achieve. So best bet, if you want to play a Dire Wolf, save about 28-30 mill just to do one.

[Roadkill]

Clan Mechs will likely range from 5 to 30 million c-bills each, but as already mentioned that will just buy you the chassis. You'll still need to outfit it with the weapons you want, but that won't cost nearly as much as it does to outfit an Inner Sphere mech because you won't be able to refit the engine or buy EndoSteel/FerroFibrous/Double Heatsinks.

I figure it will probably cost ~7 million (Kit Fox) to ~35 million (Dire Wolf) to buy and refit a Clan Mech. Slightly more than double the cost of an equivalent Inner Sphere Mech.

[Pyrrho]

If you want enough to manage 3 variants (for pilot skills [if they even work the same as IS skills]), I would aim for at least 100 million spacebucks.

[SgtKinCaiD]

Just for the screen : +1 Pyrrho !

[Pygar]

Another good question that goes along with this thread... when the Clan invasion happens, when will they be made available for C-bills? (Or to phrase it another way- if I didn't buy the pre-release packages...how long am I going to have to wait until I can get them with C-bills or even just MC instead?)

Rouken, on 15 May 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

Dire Wolf comes in at about 30 million. I'm hoping the price is lower since they're not supposed to be the OP clan mechs of lore. I've stopped buying anything and I just hope I'll have enough c-bills to get what I want quickly.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately...and even though PGI is taking steps to try to keep them in check- I think Clan mechs are going to be really powerful....shoot, I'd almost go so far to say that just the XL engines that take up less slots and don't die from side torso crits make them worth double the C-bills right off the bat.

Edited by Pygar, 15 May 2014 - 11:57 AM.

[FrDrake]

I'm at 140 million, and I don't feel I have enough saved up.....

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Pygar, on 15 May 2014 - 11:51 AM, said:

Another good question that goes along with this thread... when the Clan invasion happens, when will the be made available for C-bills? (Or to phrase it another way- if I didn't buy the pre-release packages...how long am I going to have to wait until I can get them with C-bills or even just MC instead?)



I have been thinking about this a lot lately...and even though PGI is taking steps to try to keep them in check- I think Clan mechs are going to be really powerful.

In a podcast they said 2 at a time. I would assume it would start at the bottom of the totem pole and go up from there. So my money is on Kit Fox and Nova available for MC the week clans come out and cbills the next week. Summoner and Dire Wolf the next month and so on.

I'm at 13 million and I'm thinking maybe a little premium time and breaking out my hero mechs may be needed. I'm thinking I'll just skip the first batch and get the Dire Wolf first.

Edited by Rouken, 15 May 2014 - 11:56 AM.

[Vanguard836]

Pygar, on 15 May 2014 - 11:51 AM, said:

Another good question that goes along with this thread... when the Clan invasion happens, when will the be made available for C-bills? (Or to phrase it another way- if I didn't buy the pre-release packages...how long am I going to have to wait until I can get them with C-bills or even just MC instead?)



I have been thinking about this a lot lately...and even though PGI is taking steps to try to keep them in check- I think Clan mechs are going to be really powerful.

Likely as with the Phoenix mechs they will be release for C-bills on a monthly basis.

[New Breed]

Pygar, on 15 May 2014 - 11:51 AM, said:

Another good question that goes along with this thread... when the Clan invasion happens, when will the be made available for C-bills? (Or to phrase it another way- if I didn't buy the pre-release packages...how long am I going to have to wait until I can get them with C-bills or even just MC instead?)



I have been thinking about this a lot lately...and even though PGI is taking steps to try to keep them in check- I think Clan mechs are going to be really powerful.

Well yes, weapons in general weigh less and XL engines in everything means more PEW PEW

[Zack Esseth]

Pygar, on 15 May 2014 - 11:51 AM, said:

I have been thinking about this a lot lately...and even though PGI is taking steps to try to keep them in check- I think Clan mechs are going to be really powerful.

I hope they are. They are supposed to be. But I hope that their power is balanced in a way that allows them to be scary yet still beatable. A lot of the over power-ness from TT comes from them being pitted against STOCK IS MECHS. Yes, not the min max mechs we have strolling the field. The other part comes from better pilots and equipment. But most is from facing against cheap, unmodified factory mechs bought in bulk by the houses to fill their armies.

[BlackBeltJones]

Shouldn't we expect a significant drop in the CBill cost for Clan mechs? If they are deviating from lore in so many other aspects of Clan implementation it seems reasonable they would offset the cost too. From what it sounds like the difference between IS and Clan will be mostly cosmetic and not performance related.

[VanillaG]

The Sarna prices use the TT pricing model so the MWO pricing model will be lower for the following reasons:

• MWO has flat pricing for engines. Engine price in TT was determined by the weight of the mech and the rating. For example the 300 engine in a Dragon cost less than the 300 engine in an Atlas.
  
• TT had a straight 25% increase in price over non-omni mechs. PGI might decide that there is no reason for this since they are supposed to be balanced.

With those 2 things in mind, the Timberwolf will be less than 20mil. For a good example of how much a Timberwolf might cost, go to Smurphy's and customize an Orion with the largest XL engine, Endo, Ferro, and Double Heat sinks. That build comes to 15 million. Once you add in the weapons and ammo you can see the price is going to be in the high teens.

[Phlinger]

BlackBeltJones, on 15 May 2014 - 12:00 PM, said:

Shouldn't we expect a significant drop in the CBill cost for Clan mechs? If they are deviating from lore in so many other aspects of Clan implementation it seems reasonable they would offset the cost too. From what it sounds like the difference between IS and Clan will be mostly cosmetic and not performance related.

No.... Because that would make sense......

I just wonder which mechs will even be available for C-Bill purchase at release. I've seen some people speculating about which it will be, but it's been just that, speculation.

Bottom line, I wouldn't get too excited.

[New Breed]

Ronyn, on 15 May 2014 - 12:04 PM, said:

No.... Because that would make sense......

I just wonder which mechs will even be available for C-Bill purchase at release. I've seen some people speculating about which it will be, but it's been just that, speculation.

Bottom line, I wouldn't get too excited.

They could be really cruel and start at the kit fox and work their way up with 1 mech a month

[Roadkill]

Pygar, on 15 May 2014 - 11:51 AM, said:

I have been thinking about this a lot lately...and even though PGI is taking steps to try to keep them in check- I think Clan mechs are going to be really powerful...

The Dire Wolf can carry 4 x CUAC/10 with 10 tons of ammo and 15 double heatsinks. They can take all the steps they want, but short of a massive across-the-board nerf to Clan technology they're going to be better than Inner Sphere Mechs.

None of the "tweaks" to Clan technology that they've talked about so far impact this Daishi build at all. Simply buy a Daishi Prime and swap out the torso Omni-pods for the "B" variant. Doesn't need to modify the engine. Doesn't need to modify armor. Doesn't need to add or subtract endo steel or ferro fibrous.

There's a reason it was nicknamed the Great Death.