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[Black Arachne]

Lyoto Machida, on 18 May 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

But it's PGI fault in the end, not the premades? You expect the honor system to work around here?

They need to implement a PUG only queue like many people have suggested months ago. Since I can't imagine PGI being THAT incompetent, it must be intentional that we don't have one.

I'm going with incompetent - seems to be the only thing they are good at.

[Aresye]

Flaming oblivion, on 18 May 2014 - 03:08 PM, said:

Personally I'd like the game to remove premades or make it harder for them , Pre mades learn to be good at pvp without crutch , and pugs don't have to be destroyed by unskilled players crutches, everyone wins . The guys that really need to l2p actually learn , Remove that crutch pgi .

I've seen players from competitive units dropping solo on plenty of occasions, and they will still devastate your team.

Implementing a solo only queue just sets up an environment for the best players to inflate their KDR by mercilessly murdering the entire enemy team of pugs.

I say go for it. Gives me a better chance at getting that Death Star achievement.

[Kyle Wright]

lockwoodx, on 18 May 2014 - 07:11 PM, said:

Yes, which the dev confirmed is a bug, which means everyone crying hypocrite is invalid and trolling. Exposing the riff-raff of MWO, one thread at a time.

Oh.. and just talking yang to the two premades who spammed modules and cherry picked, just like I cherry picked this forum battle knowing I had already won before it began.

Now who's the mad and bads? Everyone saying L2P when it's a BUG. Go back to mouth breathing and pug stomping since it makes you feel better. I'll continue to look out for the little guy because multiple premades do NOT belong in pub matches. Bwhahaha!!!!

Uuuhhhhh the bug was 12-mans dropping against PUGs and that MM sometimes fills in a lance with a smaller team that's about it. The fact you are flipping out when you were in a pre made is beyond me. Guess GO and carry your team more?

Edited by Kyle Wright, 18 May 2014 - 11:00 PM.

[Lyoto Machida]

WarZ, on 18 May 2014 - 06:27 PM, said:

Doesnt change the fact that its a cheap d*** move. Thats the kind of people who do it.

Cheap to what? Group up with 3 other friends in a lance? PGI allows it...not sure why you're so against it.

Those 4 Davions in Bravo lance were not sync dropping with us...I don't see what the issue is (aside from PGI's inability to matchmake properly).

[Demuder]

Novakaine, on 18 May 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

This is a Team Based Game.
Learn it Live it.

Yes it is. "A team of 12 against a team of 12". However the matchmaker turns it into a "A team or teams of 2 -to-4 within a team of 12 against a team or teams of 2-to-4 within another team of 12".

So yes, we are talking about a totally different subject that your 2-cent philosophy doesn't even begin to cover.

The matchmaker is borked. It has been for at least a year now. It indiscriminately drops experienced players in fully leveled mechs against inexperienced people in mechs that don't even have heat containment unlocked. And then, it adds an arbitrary amount of premades to the mix.

Until PGI decides to find a sane way to setup matches, I don't think anyone can blame either premades or pugs.

[Charronn]

I like this game.But I am getting very ****** off with the imbalance in matchmaking.
0-12 stomps are utter bullshit.The pre-mades getting into pug matches are ruining the balance in games.Before the last two patch fails the mm was fair,now it's just a mess and needs to fixed asap.Otherwise players will leave after continually getting spanked 0-12,1-12 etc etc.Nothing makes quitting easier than getting wtf pwned every game.

[PhoenixFire55]

lockwoodx, on 18 May 2014 - 01:55 PM, said:

Ok so tonight I started pugging again after several weeks away from the game. When is PGI going to get it through their thick skulls that allowing premades into PUB matches is unacceptable and drives players away?

Its not about letting premades into PUGs, its about MM being ret@rded ... instead of putting the two 4-mans into different teams it puts them into one ... your opponents alpha and bravo, when you don't have any 4s as you are a solo player in alpha. That said, your alpha and bravo were possibly 3-mans + solo, just apparently crappy ones if they were.

Still ... solo only queue and 2-10 groups queue is something both PUGs and premades are asking for since closed beta. So the skull is thick indeed.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Mmmmm stinky beercheese farts and tasty burps. Sorry ladies it was nappy time for me after a long day of sunshine and lawn mowing, but since this thread's still going let's racap shall we?

I genuinely didn't know the multiple premade thing was a bug, but those of you who didn't fail your sanity checks and read my first few posts already saw that I was perfectly content dropping the subject after the dev chimed in. A "PUG" or "PUBber" is a solo drop, "premade" is a single 4 man team, and 12 man is 12 man. Simple as that. Last but not least since I also forgot about the name and shame thing I decided to share in some of the blame by letting you guys know I was in a single 4 man "aka premade". Also, a Bug is a BUG. If the dev says they're working on it that's good enough for me and I'm thankful for the open communication. Let's show some appreciation for that at least shall we?

My point still stands multiple "premades" shouldn't be dropping in with pugs unless they're dirty sync droppers. (we've all done it, but you know who you are) I had fun exchanging some smack back an forth until the hypocrite accusers chimed in because they obviously didn't read the the part about this being a bug, just wanted to ignorantly pile on out of context. Thanks for the laugh and if you want some revenge I'm preparing to log in. See you on the field of battle and I guess I picked the perfect title for this thread, because PGI aren't the only one with thick skulls.

Edited by lockwoodx, 19 May 2014 - 12:17 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

lockwoodx, on 19 May 2014 - 12:14 AM, said:

Last but not least since I also forgot about the name and shame thing I decided to share in some of the blame by letting you guys know I was in a single 4 man "aka premade".

Hmmmm ... now this changes quite a lot. If you are a 4-man alpha, then your bravo and even charlie are potentially 4-mans as well. If so, this is a balanced match in terms of premades, and only one you can blame for your loss is ... you.

[101011]

WarZ, on 18 May 2014 - 06:27 PM, said:

Doesnt change the fact that its a cheap d*** move. Thats the kind of people who do it.

Wait, so anyone who plays with their friends is a "cheap d***"? This is not brought on by your own difficulties finding people to play with, quineg?

[Joseph Mallan]

lockwoodx, on 18 May 2014 - 01:55 PM, said:

Ok so tonight I started pugging again after several weeks away from the game. When is PGI going to get it through their thick skulls that allowing premades into PUB matches is unacceptable and drives players away?



They didn't even play well either... just spammed arty strikes the whole match then told us "you can use them too". UGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Different day, same ole'Bull hockey. Keep them in the 12s where they belong please. I want this game to thrive, not continue to bleed.

Sorry man but the only problem I see with you Match is Kurita and Davion should not be fighting side by side. Its been two years already. we should have Houses in place already!

[Sam Slade]

Bront, on 18 May 2014 - 03:02 PM, said:

The matchmaker is a POS at times, but preventing players from playing with their friends will kill a game as well. You need a good balance, and currently there isn't one. The new incoming system may be a step in the right direction, or it may make the situation worse (I expect it to make it worse for groups, like we saw earlier where 2 man teams couldn't find matches)

solution... get an 'open' pug queue where you may have to face 12 mans with 3 teams of 4... you get to play with your friends

Merrick, on 18 May 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

Mechwarrior Online is a TEAM game,

see above... to those who say 'but its haaard' vis a vis smaller groups vs larger groups... 4 vs 1 is harder, toughen up and 'adapt'/L2P/whatevertheskillzormetagimps are saying,

[Mathies Jaeger]

WarZ, on 18 May 2014 - 06:27 PM, said:

Doesnt change the fact that its a cheap d*** move. Thats the kind of people who do it.

Yes, I'm a d*** for wanting to play Mechwarrior with my friends who I've known since 1st grade and before. We're scumbags of the first degree as we drink our beers, play our Lolcusts and assorted mediums, and find a way to hang out with each other following the post-college diaspora. Real a**holes us...

[WarHippy]

lockwoodx, on 18 May 2014 - 07:11 PM, said:

Yes, which the dev confirmed is a bug, which means everyone crying hypocrite is invalid and trolling. Exposing the riff-raff of MWO, one thread at a time.

Oh.. and just talking yang to the two premades who spammed modules and cherry picked, just like I cherry picked this forum battle knowing I had already won before it began.

Now who's the mad and bads? Everyone saying L2P when it's a BUG. Go back to mouth breathing and pug stomping since it makes you feel better. I'll continue to look out for the little guy because multiple premades do NOT belong in pub matches. Bwhahaha!!!!

As a solo player I would much rather play with and against the premades so how about you stop trying to defend those that don't need or want your defending?

[A banana in the tailpipe]

WarHippy, on 19 May 2014 - 07:04 AM, said:

As a solo player I would much rather play with and against the premades so how about you stop trying to defend those that don't need or want your defending?

Be my guest then son. I've been pugging for the past hour and those premades of boats and lights have literally driven everyone away till I just came across my first "can't find a match". Enjoy playing with yourself.

Edited by lockwoodx, 19 May 2014 - 07:11 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

lockwoodx, on 19 May 2014 - 07:10 AM, said:

Be my guest then son. I've been pugging for the past hour and those premades of boats and lights have literally driven everyone away till I just came across my first "can't find a match". Enjoy playing with yourself.

Thats kinda personal on't you think?

I didn't have a single can't find match... in 135 Matches so far. I culd play some more I guess... But I did my 1 year+ of this very same Beta product in 2012-2013.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 19 May 2014 - 08:00 AM.

[Flaming oblivion]

101011, on 19 May 2014 - 03:33 AM, said:

Wait, so anyone who plays with their friends is a "cheap d***"? This is not brought on by your own difficulties finding people to play with, quineg?

That's to polite but yes.

[Xoxim SC]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 18 May 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:

There remains a bug where occasionally the matchmaker will provide a match with two 2-4 person premade groups on one or both sides. We hope to have this resolved ASAP.

This bug? >_<

Edited by Todd Lightbringer, 19 May 2014 - 08:27 AM.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 May 2014 - 08:00 AM, said:

Thats kinda personal on't you think?

I didn't have a single can't find match... in 135 Matches so far. I culd play some more I guess... But I did my 1 year+ of this very same Beta product in 2012-2013.

Get them all the time pugging but I can't discount time of day plays a factor too. Today made a perfect example because I had just been in 3 assaults in a row with the same people on each side, then magically ... unable to find match! By the end I was just ramboing rather than indulge the obscene disparity in matchmaking. I'd rather grind out bills like a MMO gold farmer when it gets this bad. Pugs can't flank for dookie, I can't solo or the sun gets blotted out, and dropping in a team just plops me vs multiple premades. Best thing to do is walk away an hour or so till they can't find matches either and hope there's some fresh players who might not be exploiting the ugly fugly out the wazoo when I come back.

Edited by lockwoodx, 19 May 2014 - 08:28 AM.

[Flaming oblivion]

Todd Lightbringer, on 19 May 2014 - 08:26 AM, said:

This bug? >_<

GGclose.