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[Vyx]

I personally would find it interesting to analyze the data from the faction tournament. In particular, I would like to seek the answers to the following questions:

Of all players of the tournament who scored in the top 50 of every faction:

• What chassis were used most often
  
• What variant of each chassis was used most often
  
• What weapons were used most often on this variant
  
• How many jump jets were used on this variant
  
• What weapons were used most often across all chassis
  
• How many jump jets were used across all chassis
  
• What chassis scored the most kills
  
• What variant of each chassis scored the most kills
  
• What chassis scored the most damage
  
• What variant of each chassis scored the most damage
  
• What weapons scored the most kills
  
• What weapons scored the most damage

The reason I am interested in such data is due to the following assertion:


Paul says that game/weapon balance is “in a good place” right now. I do not believe this to be so. If this were true, then there would be no real bias shown in the data when the questions above were analyzed. I suspect that there will be a significant bias.

Who else is interested?

[Deathlike]

Vyx, on 28 May 2014 - 06:56 AM, said:

I personally would find it interesting to analyze the data from the faction tournament. In particular, I would like to seek the answers to the following questions:

Of all players of the tournament who scored in the top 50 of every faction:

I'll answer it anyways, since I made #51 for Mercs (I apologize for not doing better ).

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• What chassis were used most often
  
• What variant of each chassis was used most often

Victors, Victors, and more Victors. If there were variations, maybe a Cataphract here and there... Shadowhawk, and maybe the occasional 35 ton light.


For the Victor, the DS, followed closely by the 9S.

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• What weapons were used most often on this variant
  
• How many jump jets were used on this variant

PPCs and ACs. Who knew?

For other mechs, plenty of med lasers.

No idea. I'd like to know too! I'd say at least 2.

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• What weapons were used most often across all chassis
  
• How many jump jets were used across all chassis

PPCs and ACs! Smattering of med lasers though.

Dunno, at least 1?

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• What chassis scored the most kills
  
• What variant of each chassis scored the most kills

Usually a Victor.

Usually a DS.

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• What chassis scored the most damage
  
• What variant of each chassis scored the most damage

Usually a Victor.

DS

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• What weapons scored the most kills
  
• What weapons scored the most damage

PPC+ACs

LRMs do the damage though, for obvious reasons.

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The reason I am interested in such data is due to the following assertion:


Paul says that game/weapon balance is “in a good place” right now. I do not believe this to be so. If this were true, then there would be no real bias shown in the data when the questions above were analyzed. I suspect that there will be a significant bias.

Who else is interested?

That has the assertion that Paul is right... and that is a hilarious talking point, ever.

[Jun Watarase]

I think it should be obvious to anyone familiar with the game that every single top 5 player used metabuilds combined with strike spam...if expanded to the top 50 we get a bit more variety but its still predominantly metabuilds.

It doesnt matter what we post though, Paul doesnt read it and will not change his mind....the only thing that might change his mind is if he gets killed by metabuilds constantly. Remember what happeend with the knockdown thing?

Edited by Jun Watarase, 28 May 2014 - 07:22 AM.

[Flyby215]

I played several matched where there was all out jumpsnipers except myself and maybe one other. There were a lot of Dragonslayers for sure. I faced off with players who were in the top ranks all tourny long and ACs PPCs were extremely common even if it wasnt on a DS.

Personally I ran mostly a Jenner, couple rounds in a quad ERLL Stalker, but my biggest games were in a 2ERLL 4ML Jester. Ranked 5 Davion.

[cSand]

5th ranked player, using a Jester

I love it, eat that meta!

[Deathlike]

cSand, on 28 May 2014 - 08:09 AM, said:

5th ranked player, using a Jester

I love it, eat that meta!

I hate to bust your bubble, but technically Jester is meta.

Most of the best builds are 2 PPC+4 meds. Same as the best Quickdraw-5K build.

Sorry, but that's what I see with the better players that run them.

[Trauglodyte]

Deathlike, on 28 May 2014 - 07:07 AM, said:

I'll answer it anyways, since I made #51 for Mercs (I apologize for not doing better ).

You apologize right meow! You're a terrible person and you need to brawl brawl brawl better!

[Deathlike]

Trauglodyte, on 28 May 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

You apologize right meow! You're a terrible person and you need to brawl brawl brawl better!

I've shelved the SRM brawler Shadowhawk for a bit... though I'm just "tourneyed out" at the moment after trolling with the Firestarter.

I'll bring it back soon™.

[Mcgral18]

# 29 with the Mercs, at 1998

Mostly, I used one of three MetaHawks SHDs, with either 2 AC5+PPC, Gauss+PPC or 2PPC+AC10. Most have one or two JJs, while the gauss has the full 3. 2H was used for the Cbill bonus, and the 5M was used for 2PPC AC10.

Artillery of course scored the most damage, while the FLD scored the most kills. I don't think I got more than 5.

Edited by Mcgral18, 28 May 2014 - 11:36 AM.

[Deathlike]

Mcgral18, on 28 May 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

# 29 with the Mercs, at 1998

Mostly, I used one of three MetaHawks SHDs, with either 2 AC5+PPC, Gauss+PPC or 2PPC+AC10. Most have one or two JJs, while the gauss has the full 3. 2H was used for the Cbill bonus, and the 5M was used for 2PP AC10.

Artillery of course scored the most damage, while the FLD scored the most kills. I don't think I got more than 5.

I had 6 kills with a Firestarter in a good match. Still wasn't enough though.

[3rdworld]

Here is twinky's album. You can find his entire run on his twitch.

http://imgur.com/a/uAEnn

[Flyby215]

Deathlike, on 28 May 2014 - 09:02 AM, said:

I hate to bust your bubble, but technically Jester is meta.

Most of the best builds are 2 PPC+4 meds. Same as the best Quickdraw-5K build.

Sorry, but that's what I see with the better players that run them.

Matter of opinion. I wouldn't consider the Jester a "meta" build under any configuration because it can't carry AC's. Even as a jump-ppc-sniper I have never been called out, never called meta, and never raged at. Most people consider it a "good job" to do well in a Jester, since the big nose usually makes it very straightforward to kill.

I find the jump-sniper PPCs not as effective as ERLL's. The PPC's work pretty good, but in a poptart vs poptart jump the Jester takes it to the CT every time and only has a 20 point PPC pair. I find the ERLLs work much better because they're more heat efficient, able to poke at longer ranges, and in the tournament at least the ERLL's allow an end-to-end spray to grab a bunch of assists quickly in case that light runs off and dies alone.

BTW... who are these "better" players? The Jester is by far my favourite mech (over 2 million XP on mine), and I'm jealous whenever I see others piloting one... so people who know me know that I hunt down other Jesters with a vengeance. Who pilots Jesters? I want names

Edited by Flyby215, 29 May 2014 - 08:07 AM.