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[Bishop Steiner]

Koniving, on 29 May 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

Quote decorum!

What? Are you seeing things again?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 29 May 2014 - 06:39 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Koniving, on 29 May 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

Quote decorum! They're big scroll-worthy quotes.

Could be. It has been a while. Still the full head cockpit makes a lot more sense, especially when you look at Haruko's thread. I'll personally have a bit of fun redesigning the cockpit for the Commando one of these days to see if at least 'most' of that fun stuff could fit in there with the pilot. Gonna be a cramped fit!

Hunch and Centurion both sides and front. (Btw, BJ is the same height as Hunchback and if it stood straight it'd be taller. o.O; ).

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centy/hbk

Not really seeing the HBK being markedly deeper like some have posted, save for the AC housing itself. In pretty much all other aspects the CN9 matches or exceeds?

[Koniving]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 May 2014 - 06:42 PM, said:

Not really seeing the HBK being markedly deeper like some have posted, save for the AC housing itself. In pretty much all other aspects the CN9 matches or exceeds?

That's not a rescaled Centurion akin to the concept art, though. The Centurion is much too wide. Besides most of the weight is inside the Hunchback. I also don't personally count the "shield" as part of the Centurion's physic. It's not canon. Though I do like the custom rules for 'shields' for Battletech (try "Large Shield" on Sarna).

I also remind you of what I feel to be the Centurion's incorrect arm size. Compare to the TRO images and to descriptions in some books, the gun-arm is supposed to be quite a bit shorter than the claw, as the claw is used to grab stuff (and oddly enough block stuff despite the lack of a shield on the original drawings).


Eye the perspective here. Despite being closer to the viewer, the right arm is almost alined with the left arm. Now the left arm as you can see is bent, likely at a 45 to 90 degree angle. Despite being farther away, it's as big around as the closer arm's barrel. Actually it looks like it'd have trouble sticking two fingers in that barrel.

Of course, one could take it that these are not perspective but orthographic.

Either way I know we can't take this as gospel; the AC/10 is supposed to be 80mm and the missiles 70mm and we clearly aren't seeing consistency there. But as someone who isn't a huge fan of symmetry, I rather like the idea. Especially given that the Trebuchet has a similar larger left arm feature.


Just look at the bulk of that loader.

Edited by Koniving, 29 May 2014 - 06:57 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Koniving, on 29 May 2014 - 06:48 PM, said:

stuff

I agree it's too wide. What I'm saying is others say that the difference is made up in the depth of the Hunchback, from front to back. It's not. The CN9 is, as you contest, simply too wide. And 80mm? The ac5 on the Marauder is a 120mm gun, whereas the huge bore of the Luxor supposedly gave a huge psychological boost to Centy Pilots (though obviously the bore pictured is ridonkulous)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 29 May 2014 - 07:07 PM.

[Koniving]

So for fun I was watching this.

Here, I see the Summoner next to some buildings. It's a little more than 4 stories tall.

So how tall is a story?
I hit google.

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10 feet
The height of each storey is based on the ceiling height of the rooms plus the thickness of the floors between each pain. Generally this is around 10 feet or 3 metres total, however it varies widely from just under this figure to well over it.

Mkay. So times 4, that's 40 feet. How many meters is 40 feet? 12.192 meters.
So there Summoner here is approximately 12.192 meters tall give or take.

Their version of the Atlas (to give the imposing feeling over the Timber Wolf [Mad Cat]) is just over 5 stories. 5 stories is 15.24 meters tall.

Side by side, the Timber Wolf is the same height (square edge to square edge) as the Thor/Summoner.
Meanwhile, the Fireflies (30 ton mechs) are only 1 story tall (3 meters). But keep in mind Fireflies are very long.
The Mad Dog looks about 4 stories tall.

Just thought it was interesting. Welp, off to bed! Goodnight everyone.

[Xetelian]

Always thought the mediums were a tad tall

[Koniving]

Xetelian, on 29 May 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

Always thought the mediums were a tad tall

Most mechs are. But compared to the assaults, the mediums we have are appropriately sized (too wide in the Centurion's case). Including the Hunchback to Centurion height ratio (not their actual heights, but the comparison between them). If anything the centurion might be too short.

Here's a Raven, Centurion, Commando and Hunchback TRO-proper and to FASA (battletech creator's) scale. One great thing about Microprose was they got their stuff directly from FASA. Including the shot count of the Hunchback's AC/20 (180mm, 5 shot burst = 4 damage per shot).


Hunchback's barely taller than a commando.
And Ravens are hugely fat (somewhat shorter than Commandos though). o.O;

And here's the video.


Just food for thought. I mean it could be 'worse'.
But mechs being that much smaller would have meant less strain on the engine, which would have meant better game details, which would have meant things like 'trash' and 'clutter' on the ground, easier to keep non-baked maps to allow passing of time (day night changes), and other goodies that would have made this game so much better.

Edited by Koniving, 30 May 2014 - 09:15 AM.

[Koniving]

So I put this thing together because someone complained about 35 ton light Clan mechs being "LARGE."
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Mechscales of 35, 50, and 55 tonners (with a 20 tonner). Warning: animated gif. Warning: File size. Includes Clan Mechs.
In order: Locust (20). Jenner(35). Adder/Puma(35). Raven(35). Kitfox(35). Firestarter(35). Hunchback(50). Nova(50). Centurion(50). Stormcrow(55). Shadowhawk(55).

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(Fun notes: Centurions are supposed to be taller than Hunchbacks, but considerably skinnier (so much so that it defies any logical sense of being able to function or do half the stuff it's supposed to do). Commandos and Hunchbacks are supposed to be the same height, but the Hunchback much thicker. Shadowhawks are supposed to be tall (they're recon units). Ravens are supposed to be shorter beaked (much shorter beaked) but considerably thicker-bodied. Jenners are supposed to be short (as a result of the legs being connected at the shoulders; there IS no pelvis on a Jenner. The Jenner itself is supposed to be wide with skinny legs with a Star Trek Kirk-era Enterprise A saucer section but not much extension beyond that. Sometimes its good to abandon some height aspects.)


Otherwise we'd have 11.4 meter tall 20 tonners and 8.3 meter tall Novas with 35 ton mechs Kit Fox and Adder being 8.7 and 8.8.

To mention it, the MWO height (these are all MWO heights at this point) of a Centurion is 14.7 meters tall. The Jenner is 9.4 meters tall. The Hunchback is 13.3 meters tall. The Shadowhawk is greater than 15.5 meters tall.

So as I was saying, with the Atlas being 17 meters tall in MWO, these mechs are too short. The Commando if you want to compare it isn't the height of a Hunchback and the KitFox and Adder are not taller than the Nova.

I'll take exception to it, because with the way the game is currently designed making them any bigger is a death sentence.