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[Paewen]

I think the bear on the new CGB logo looks like a seal with teeth. Maybe PGI is looking for a way to cause the clans to rename

Old was better, and with the exception of CGB, not too bad. They need to rework CGB or officialy rename "Clan Ghost Bear" to "Clan Clubbed Seal"

[Lily from animove]

Jaroth Corbett, on 03 June 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

I DO NOT LIKE IT! YOU ****** IT UP! YOU ARE A JOKE! GIVE US BACK THE ORIGINALS OR AT THE VERY LEAST GIVE US THE OPTION TO USE THE CLASSIC ONES! I AM IN CLAN GHOST BEAR NOT CLAN FAT DOG!

Shhh little doggy *pats head* calm down and eat your sausages. * hand ausage to the doggy*

[Mindwiper]

A Wolf, who just got a big stick, right up his ass.
A Ghostbear, who has a cold and to whom I want to shout: Bless you!
A Smoke Jaguar, who took his last chance to jump out of the oven.
A Parrot playing JadeFalcon...

Edited by Mindwiper, 04 June 2014 - 04:54 AM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Thanks for brightening my morning.

[Mechwarrior413183]

NeoCodex, on 04 June 2014 - 04:08 AM, said:

The ones we currently have are obviously not the clan logos, it has to be a very bad, late april fool's joke.

Just look at the poster above me and compare the Ghost Bears... The one on the left looks like it got drawn in some kindergarten class. It's not just an insult, it's mockery. Remove this!

I am pretty sure if I set the task to some children at the local school or church Sunday school that they would be able to draw the old Ghost Bear logo much more easily than PGI's Ghost Bear logo.

Also the old Clan Jade Falcon logo looks like a fat pigeon the new one is much more like a bird of prey.

Edited by Mockeryangel, 04 June 2014 - 05:17 AM.

[Jack Gallows]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 June 2014 - 04:30 AM, said:

On many Forums players could just link to these and have awesome looking Avatars already instead of after the Clans drop according to Russ's tweet!

Woah there. If they did things that quickly we'd expect everything to actually be on time and like...not take 2 years to implement.

They have to keep up that image of ineptitude! Have to keep that consistency up!

[shinigaminus]

Odanan:



Thanks man, you made my day

Edited by shinigaminus, 04 June 2014 - 05:20 AM.

[SpiralFace]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 June 2014 - 04:30 AM, said:

On many Forums players could just link to these and have awesome looking Avatars already instead of after the Clans drop according to Russ's tweet!

Ok, I hate the images as much as everyone else, but this is something I have to actually defend Russ on having direct experience with this sort of thing myself.

He would not be able to use these images, or any of the direct illustrations that have been posted over and over again.

See the issue is that if you read the fine print when you boot up the game, you will see that this game is made "under license" with MICROSOFT.

The problem is that those images do not belong to microsoft. As they are derivatives of the TT BG and novel fiction, they do not fall under the license microsoft has for the digital products for this series, they would fall under the Catalyst game labs (current holders of the original BT and fiction rights,) and their parent company Tops.

So basically, while they have the rights to replicate the icons themselves, they more then likely do not have the power to use THOSE direct images, because they are more then likely the property of another company that they do not have the direct license to produce their work. (Its also why they don't have the rights to make physical models.)

So basically, while they CAN make images in their likeness, they cannot just lift off the work that was previously done. They would have to make the illustrations themselves from scratch to avoid possible infringment on the illustrations owned by Topps.

THATS why it will take a month. Because they will have to re-make the illustrator files, probably preserving the vector so they can propagate the images to other objects like holograms, decals, medals, etc. Its goes far beyond just having a forum image and game icon.

And to that end, I would rather they get it done right rather then just rush it out to just get something for the forums. Otherwise we risk having something just as crummy as what we already have.

I would rather see them do it right, and have the RIGHT images propagate throughout the game, icons and physical items.

Because I'll tell you now, I'm not paying for any cockpit item with this crummy logo on it.

[CeeKay Boques]

SpiralFace, on 04 June 2014 - 05:25 AM, said:

Legal guessing

Meh, I thought about that, but I'm pretty sure that PGI and Catalyst have a "Everything Battletech" agreement. Both companies feed the others player base.

All the IS factions are to the tee. They're not paying royalties for each graphic, faction, each mech that they take from the BTU. I'm sure they've bought the rights to fair use of "all things battletech". I can't imagine them having to buy, or sign new agreements for each chassis, story, NPC, planet, graphic, Icon.... no way. They bought the whole thing.

[SpiralFace]

Technoviking, on 04 June 2014 - 06:19 AM, said:

Meh, I thought about that, but I'm pretty sure that PGI and Catalyst have a "Everything Battletech" agreement. Both companies feed the others player base.

All the IS factions are to the tee. They're not paying royalties for each graphic, faction, each mech that they take from the BTU. I'm sure they've bought the rights to fair use of "all things battletech". I can't imagine them having to buy, or sign new agreements for each chassis, story, NPC, planet, graphic, Icon.... no way. They bought the whole thing.

They have the rights to use, but thats different from the rights to publish.

All the icons that they have are their own creation. They went in, made minor alterations, and made all the logo's themselves.

They have full rights to probably do the same to the clans, but they probably would not be able to simply "copy paste" the stuff that people are using in their examples. As those individual images probably directly belong to Topps, and while I see Microsoft's name in the fine print, I don't see Topp's name anywhere, so those individual images would more then likely be under the "Topps" umbrella of licenses. Not microsoft.

Keep in mind, I'm talking about the direct IMAGES people are pulling from. Not their likeness.

They more then likely have the right to use the likeness, but would have to make everything from scratch like they did for the IS logo's.

Which is why it would take about a month to re-do if they do go down that path.

[Xtrekker]

Found it...



American Werewolf in London.

[Saber Avalon]

Lucian Nostra, on 03 June 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

To add to it Saber I found it kind of funny they made the Jaguar black.. I mean.. WE ARE the black feline faction.. they are smokey..

I did not want to mention Nova Cat for fear of giving them ideas, they have not made a pass at you, yet.

WarWolfSW, on 04 June 2014 - 04:11 AM, said:

Although I am a Wolf Warden through and through and agree that the CSJ got one of the best redesigns, I will commence in many Trails of Grievance against those who say the Wolf Banner is nothing less than perfection!.

Yet you still fly the colours of a Federated Suns freebirth.

Mindwiper, on 04 June 2014 - 04:53 AM, said:

A Wolf, who just got a big stick, right up his ass.
A Ghostbear, who has a cold and to whom I want to shout: Bless you!
A Smoke Jaguar, who took his last chance to jump out of the oven.
A Parrot playing JadeFalcon...

Wait. You can say "ass" but I cannot say "****** exam", I am the one using the medical term!

[Pariah Devalis]

Saber Avalon, on 04 June 2014 - 07:25 AM, said:

I did not want to mention Nova Cat for fear of giving them ideas, they have not made a pass at you, yet.

Almost feel like it was wrong that after seeing the big fours' art the second thing that I felt like doing was shouting "Wahoo! PGI did not do us yet!"

The first was thinking "Oh god, what have they done?!"

[CeeKay Boques]

Saber Avalon, on 04 June 2014 - 07:25 AM, said:

Wait. You can say "ass" but I cannot say "****** exam", I am the one using the medical term!

Ass means donkey. ****** only means one thing.

I see what you're saying Spiral. Yes, its not a cut/crop/paste, they'd have to add or take something away to make it their own.

[CoffiNail]

No one has said we want the directly old images, or even the amazing redo by Penkettu, which are the ones Odanan has posted.

We just want something that is closer to the original. I would love a bit of restyling and making them look a bit more modern. Our problem stems from them redesigning the logos so heavily.

I very much feel, it was given to the new hire at PGI, given a small basic description of the logo and told to make the logo. More so, it was obviously someone who knows nothing about Clans, possibly nothing about Battletech. Sorry, but who ever made them really should have done at least a bit of research in to the Clan the logo was to represent.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Hey I posted them before Odanan.

[J0anna]

"Not sure art director took off on vacation! lets monitor the overall reaction and then we can decide in a while what to do."

Overall reaction - not pleased, not pleased at all.

[Jacon Ceronia]

Perfection.

Nicely done Odanan!

[CoffiNail]

Jaroth Corbett, on 04 June 2014 - 07:54 AM, said:

Hey I posted them before Odanan.

But you never shopped them on to flags.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Awwwwww damn!