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[Pariah Devalis]

Ahem. OK. Instead of being purely negative, I do hope a PGI staffer sees the following as an attempt at being constructive.

I just threw this extremely simplified example together in 10 minutes (yay, photochopping and color layers!), so the quality is lacking, but whatever. I will tell you why this style of logo would have worked so much better than what was offered.



It is clean, relatively speaking. It lacks obnoxious fading colors or forced textures. It also sticks to a two tone pallet, though three is acceptable. You do not want to overdo the colors and you absolutely do not want to clutter the image itself with unnecessary details. No textures. No embossing. Just the basic shapes are all you need.

In addition, if you are referencing source material, you need to try and stay as true to it as possible - at least the shape of the totem in it, anyways. Completely altering the shape of the bear was unnecessary. Changing the sword in the Jade Falcon to a crow bar was unnecessary. The uber snarling wolf face was a bit much. Etc. This preserves the style you went for with your IS patterns, as well, maintaining some visual continuity between the emblems in the game.

If these art rules were followed for CGB, CJF, CSJ, and CW, there would be a hell of a lot less irritated Clansmen on your hands.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 04 June 2014 - 06:34 AM.

[Sable Phoenix]

I could go on a rant about this, about how I can't believe they wasted development time on something that none of the players would've wanted if you'd asked them first (although given the track record I don't know why that's surprising), but I'll refrain. I'll just say this instead:

The redesigns suck. Give us the originals.

kthxbai

Edit: The altered Ghost Bear logo looks like Baloo on PCP. I'm not pleased.

Edited by Sable Phoenix, 03 June 2014 - 04:58 PM.

[Xtrekker]

Jaroth Corbett, on 03 June 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

I AM IN CLAN GHOST BEAR NOT CLAN FAT DOG!

Haha, I was thinking that the forum avatar looks more like a walrus.

[Raby760]

I think this is a better insignia

Edited by Raby760, 03 June 2014 - 05:02 PM.

[Masdwe]

raigner, on 03 June 2014 - 10:13 AM, said:

I am loving all the new icons and i am glad to see that PGI is making a bold move to update something, from were i am seeing i am just seeing some old BT players upset that something that they liked has changed, you never would have been satisfied unless they used the straight originals, the originals were designed almost 20 years ago. they need an update, and on that note i would like it if they updated the house logos as well. this is THERE vision of battletech not classic battletech. please stop hating on every little change that slight deviates from cannon. this is a positive change for a positive direction and all these logos look fantastic.

You know, folks harping on what is not canon from the original is a valid point. I am a person that still plays the original Battletech, and has been for most of my 30+ years. I am a huge fan of the game, the fiction, in fact, all of the original FASA products, to the extent that I went and got a Clan Ghost Bear Tattoo.... I recognize that some things from canon cannot realistically be translated into this game. I have been fine with that, even when it seems REALLY different from the original.I cannot agree with you on the logo changes. As many have already said, changing these, and keeping the original house logos is a very dumb move on PGI's part. Given how many players are, and have been, seriously ramped up about the clans in general, they have yet again, alienated a chunk of their player base. I would have been a little less upset had they not looked so silly compared to the originals.

Also...you might learn the difference between There, Their, and They're dezgra Jaguar

[FearNotDeath]

Just finished the Alt logo for the Jaguars.

[Pariah Devalis]

Sable Phoenix, on 03 June 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

I could go on a rant about this, about how I can't believe they wasted development time on something that none of the players would've wanted if you'd asked them first (although given the track record I don't know why that's surprising), but I'll refrain. I'll just say this instead:

The redesigns suck. Give us the originals.

kthxbai

Edit: The altered Ghost Bear logo looks like Baloo on PCP. I'm not pleased.

The funny thing is, the claws themselves look good. The boxes around the claws look good. The bear HEAD is horrible. The use of color fading, let alone color fading ALL OVER THE EVERYTHING is horrible. The refusal to stick to one or two primary bright colors with everything else subdued to bring emphasis on the colors like they did in the past is just plain sad and degrades the look farther. I count two shades of blue, two shades or orangy yellow, and what appears to be seafoam green. If they stuck to a solid white, a solid blue, and a ring of that turquoise it would have looked so much better. The high contrast would add to it, not harm it.

It had potential, but they wrecked it with a few bad decisions.

FearNotDeath, on 03 June 2014 - 05:03 PM, said:

Just finished the Alt logo for the Jaguars.

Hilariously, the reason that emblem works is the reason why the ones PGI did do not. It cuts the color pallette down. It sticks to a primary color and minimal details. Less is more.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 03 June 2014 - 05:12 PM.

[Ardney]

Don't like the new look. But it's my faction, so I will wear it.

[Gumon Choji]

The icons look like basket ball teams.

[Ancient Demise]

Pariah Devalis, on 03 June 2014 - 05:05 PM, said:

The funny thing is, the claws themselves look good. The boxes around the claws look good. The bear HEAD is horrible. The use of color fading, let alone color fading ALL OVER THE EVERYTHING is horrible. The refusal to stick to one or two primary bright colors with everything else subdued to bring emphasis on the colors like they did in the past is just plain sad and degrades the look farther. I count two shades of blue, two shades or orangy yellow, and what appears to be seafoam green. If they stuck to a solid white, a solid blue, and a ring of that turquoise it would have looked so much better. The high contrast would add to it, not harm it.

It had potential, but they wrecked it with a few bad decisions.

The claws are just so SMALL. I imagine it would be like the bear trying to walk on heels. The legs just taper down to something anorexic.

[Eglar]

Want:

[Peiper]

So, am I Clan Smoke Jaguar or part of the Black Panther Party? Come on, PGI!

[CeeKay Boques]

Eglar, on 03 June 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

Want:

Not Want?

[Saber Avalon]

Ok, now that I am not rushing off to work and over my initial fit of rage... let us take a look at this again. Yup, still hate them. I look at these and I see whoever created them had no idea what they were dealing with. It is as if a spheroid stravag described the clans to an artist and this is what he came up with. Something to be feared but, to comfort themselves, mockable. Instead of depicting a strong, proud, and honorable, people that are the Clans.

So what do we have here:

Clan "Smoke Jaguar"
- No longer smoke grey but black... Shadow Panther.
- But wait... those claws and those jaws... Cheshire Cat?
- Hmm... that... no, it can not be. The Eye of Thundera? Thunder. Thunder! THUNDER CATS! HOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
- Clan Thunder Cats. Thundercats are on the move, Thundercats are loose, Feel the magic, hear the Roar, Thundercats are loose, Thunder, thunder, thunder, Thundercats!

Clan "Jade Falcon"
- Instead of proudly and effortlessly soaring with the sword, the poor guy cannot hold its weight and is plummeting to the ground.
- We will ignore how the talons are grasping way off to the sides of where the respective legs are and that the one leg looks way longer than the other and connected to the body higher up.
- His head is looking down, as if it were saying "the heck am I holding onto this thing for?". Instead of being held high and proud, without a worry. As he is a raptor, a bird of prey, an apex predator of the skies and despite being a falcon he knows what weapon of honor is.
- Clan Jade Parakeet. To quote a certain group in this game, "SQUAWK!"

Clan "Wolf"
- We have what appears to be a rabid dog, not a wolf, a dog. What is worse, someone pointed out it looks like his dog going through a ****** exam. Of which I must agree, going by that expression. No more proud, loyal, strong wolf.
- Why are there fully detailed eyes? The other three did not get this treatment. It detracts from the symbol.
- Gold outlined stars. OUTLINED. With red centers, this is not the USSRx6. This is a travesty. There are five solid gold stars to represent each of the Pentagon worlds and a sixth solid gold star to represent Kerensky himself. They are now represented by hollow stars. HOLLOW! An affront to our Great Father, to suggest he and what he founded was hollow.....
- There is only one thing this could represent and that is the "Not-Named Clan".

Clan "Ghost Bear"
- Bear? I see no bear. I see an angry husky, whose master has not fed him today. What is with the dogs?
- I would have gone with down syndrome bear, but I would not want to insult individuals with that condition.
- Why does each of the paws have four claws? The original had three per paw.
- The one thing people complained about, the yellow ring, is actually correct. Go figure, they got something right. Look at the logo in Sarna and here. So there is that at least.
- Even if this was a bear, why is it looking up so much and why is so much of its neck drawn in? It is not a polar bear, mass 350-700kg, length 240-300cm, height 122-160cm. It is a Ghost Bear, Average mass 1,000 kg, average length 400 cm, average height 230 cm. The old logo was all head, massive, burly, bear noggin.
- Clan Starving Sled Dog. Mush!

I hope Russ is right and that they will see this thread and go back and redo these. We might as well have been given a logo of a surat and all been bunched under Clan Cute Surat.

/rant

[Xtrekker]

Perhaps they are trying to monetize new merchandise since they are in control of the IP. Hell, when WizKids got it they created the Dark Ages, which most try to forget ever happened, but it generated a whole new direction of products that appealed to a new (if small) generation of BT fans. Could this be part of their vision of "flipping" an IP for profit?

Of course I could just be talking out of my uninformed a$$. But so far that seems to be the PGI MO, sentiment be damned. They're going to milk it for all it's worth, so I expect no less.

[Lucian Nostra]

To add to it Saber I found it kind of funny they made the Jaguar black.. I mean.. WE ARE the black feline faction.. they are smokey..

[MW Chrisgio]

i think the logos looks nice.. its an new style ... ok but not bad.. but it would be nice if they wouldn´t cut the wings fro teh falcons... .. and yeah .. the cats .. ok .. xDD try it again .

[White Bear 84]

Todd Lightbringer, on 03 June 2014 - 09:28 AM, said:

I like them personally. The Wolf looks amazing, but the Jaguar looks goofy as all hell.

Large scale they are cool - but as you decrease the size, the detail becomes a mess so I think simplified versions are best. They do look a fair bit departed from the simplicity and style of the IS banners. I think the worse one for me is the smoke jaguar, that is just a mess. The Jade falcon pushes the detail a bit too much. Like the wolf and GB has its pro's and con's e.g. the head is too small; too much focus on the whirly bits... ...at least the wolf got a good size!

Edited by White Bear 84, 03 June 2014 - 09:40 PM.

[NeoCodex]

The logo redesigns are a sin. It looks even more horrid in the game. It's an ABOMINATION!

Just look at the Smoke Jaguar, it looks like a kitten. And the Ghost Bear turned into... a seal?!?. And the wolf is just a joke. Holy clans, what's with the eyes? Is it on drugs?

First thing I thought about when I saw the Clan Wolf logo:



Just... horrible. You ruined it, PGI.

Edited by NeoCodex, 03 June 2014 - 10:10 PM.

[Aym]

Wolf definitely got the short end of the stick on the redesigns.