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[Faith McCarron]

First off, for the anti-Jager trolls, I would at least try watching the stream for a while before making judgments. It's too easy to demonize the top players simply because they are better at the game than you are. You will find, however, that Jager is probably THE nicest/most approachable of any of the top-tier players. You'll never see him PUG-taunting, trolling the opposition, etc. He always takes questions in his stream, and dedicates every monday to "Meat Shield Monday" where anyone is invited to join the stream and drop in the 12's queue. I'll actually go a step further and say that even a lot of the comp scene, including those who ggclose-troll, are actually considerably nicer once you get to know them a little better, than you might expect.

Now, on to my question:

Q: What would you say is the best way for a player to get into the competitive scene? A player can only really get so good PUGing or 4-manning with friends, and the fact remains that the competitive scene learning curve is incredibly high. So what's the best way, in your eyes, for the average PUG/4-man player to step up to that next tier and join competetive play?

[meteorol]

Seriously, he comes here to answer questions and give advice and some of you got nothing better to do than derailing his thread with bullsh*t claims. If you don't like him, or you think you know everything better than him, do everyone a favor and just leave the thread without posting anything. No one is forcing you to watch his stream, you know?

As for questions:

After seeing many self proclaimed "competitive players" aggressively badmouthing xl engine builds in many mech threads here, i was rather suprised to see the large amount of xl engines in the tournament. So how is the current standpoint on xl engines in the competitive scene?

Has it changed over the time, or were those "i don't know your name or your unit, you know nothing, shut up, you don't play any leagues, i kept mechwarrior alive by circlejerking in a planetary league, here look at the one and only viable victor build with a 260 Std engine" guys a bit off in first place?

[Spr1ggan]

Jager is a great player. Like usual though this community strikes again. So many bitter old men that can't handle getting pwned by skilled pilots and want PGI to run this game with dice rolls.

My questions though. What are your thoughts looking back at the official beta tournament? And what would you like to see in future PGI tournaments?

Edited by McHarg, 11 June 2014 - 02:17 AM.

[Evax]

y war horns?

[Thorqemada]

McHarg, on 10 June 2014 - 10:51 PM, said:

...old men that can't handle getting pwned by skilled pilots and want PGI to run this game with dice rolls.

The only Players i see spam the RNG be the Pros with their Strikes

[Ursh]

If he's only going to answer the questions in his stream, then I think this is advertising for his stream more than any kind of legitimate Q&A.

I don't watch streams. I will watch videos of someone playing a troll build with a good sense of humor, the Gankenstein stalker videos come to mind.

If you're talking directly to PGI decision makers and are directly responsible for helping to shape the current meta....then shame on you.

I'd be happy to watch a PGI podcast of PGI decision makers addressing some of the questions in this thread.

Edited by Ursh, 11 June 2014 - 02:07 AM.

[N0MAD]

Old player (literally old)
Havent played in a year.
Dont like lights (old reflexes +300mm ping)
Like heavies or assaults on the speedy side.
Like both ability to snipe some but be able to assault or defend myself.
Not good at Jump sniping doubt i would get beter by practise (refer to above note on reflexes)
What should i have in my mech bays if i wanted to return to play.

[Spr1ggan]

Thorqemada, on 11 June 2014 - 01:44 AM, said:

The only Players i see spam the RNG be the Pros with their Strikes

Strikes give you an advantage. It would be stupid not to use them competitively. There's also nothing stopping regular players from using them.

It's not the same as all the whining about pin point and crying because a large portion of the community want the game to play exactly as the tabletop does. "If someone fires his weapons he shouldn't be able to hit what he aims at, it should all be random locations hurr durr".

[Stormyblade]

Tricepticon, on 09 June 2014 - 04:51 PM, said:

First of all, jager literally is one of the best mwo players right now....2nd wtf? Your really asking why he USUALLY runs angry lance? When you grow up and get into elo where takes like 10+ mins to SOLO que, and when you do 4s you run into all other high elo angry lances, then you will realize. Sick and tired of you ******* crybabies in this game, you dont go in wow and cry about the best classes, or play Counterstrike and cry about awps or colts even the ak? High elo players are high elo because we like winning, how do you win, you use the "meta" which is what is most effective at that time. Even if it shifted to srms all you Kiddies would be crying about how srms are no skill and how snipeing should be relevant.

One more thing, I think higher elo players SHOULD be crying about all you bums taking joke builds, and srms when they dont even reg, or running out suicideing at start of a match. Yet you don't see threads about this being made. Why? Because you do something about things you don''t like, not cry and attack other ppl over it.

That first line made me really laugh even more than the rest of the absurd "defense" reply.

I must either be lucky enough to get into higher ELO matches, or the matchmaker must glitch from time to time because I have seen some of the names thrown around in this thread - Jager, Schopenhauer, Mr D, etc. In fact, I just had a couple drops earlier tonight with Schopenhauer and I had to laugh that he is/was using the cheese/meta build of the Cataphract 3D with AC5/PPC + JJ. My point is, if you are truly a good pilot, and a good MWO player, you could make almost all the of the builds and weapons work for you, especially in what is supposed to be PUG matches and not "let's-try-to-get-at-least-2-lances-to-sync-drop-and-steamroll". How is this kind of play any fun when you are driving away people who would play this game, thereby increasing your wait time?

As for the second part...it must be nice to sit in that ivory tower and poke fun at all the "bums" that take "joke" builds...yet you do nothing to offer up build/loadout advice. Believe it or not, some players still play this game with less-than-optimum builds to try to have fun and just see how things go and try to have fun. I get it, during competition, there's a goal, and that goal is to win. But this condescending attitude about the "bums" just turns people against you.

[Egomane]

There is a player willing to answer questions from his point of view and all he gets is animosity. Do you really believe, that is how a community should work together?

My thanks to those who participate in the spirit of the thread. I wish more would do so.

Edited by Egomane, 11 June 2014 - 02:26 AM.

[dario03]

Alright I have the questions everybody is dying to get answers to.

1. Why did you title this "Ask the Jager"?
2. Does anybody call you "The Jager"?
3. If so, then how come I never see you in a Jagermech?
4. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

I await the answers to these super important questions.

[Wieland]

Egomane, on 11 June 2014 - 02:23 AM, said:

There is a player willing to answer questions from his point of view and all he gets is animosity. Do you really believe, that is how a community should work together?

My thanks to those who participate in the spirit of the thread. I wish more would do so.

There wouldnt have been problems if he hadnt called himself the best MWO player, #1.

1. Ever tried playing in a stock mech or are you only playing meta?
2. Every played MPBT:3025?

[Fuggles]

Stormyblade, on 11 June 2014 - 02:21 AM, said:

My point is, if you are truly a good pilot, and a good MWO player, you could make almost all the of the builds and weapons work for you, especially in what is supposed to be PUG matches and not "let's-try-to-get-at-least-2-lances-to-sync-drop-and-steamroll". How is this kind of play any fun when you are driving away people who would play this game, thereby increasing your wait time?

stop hating. im assuming that your referring to the post you quoted but i have seen jager running hunchbacks as much as i have seen him in victors. hes trying to help the community, take anti meta rants elsewhere.

[Mister Blastman]

Wieland, on 11 June 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

2. Every played MPBT:3025?

Ahh the game that should have but never could. It was one of the biggest disappointments in Mechwarrior history when it was cancelled.

Damn EA. Destroyer of worlds, they are.

Edited by Mister Blastman, 11 June 2014 - 09:47 AM.

[Faith McCarron]

Stormyblade, on 11 June 2014 - 02:21 AM, said:

As for the second part...it must be nice to sit in that ivory tower and poke fun at all the "bums" that take "joke" builds...yet you do nothing to offer up build/loadout advice. Believe it or not, some players still play this game with less-than-optimum builds to try to have fun and just see how things go and try to have fun. I get it, during competition, there's a goal, and that goal is to win. But this condescending attitude about the "bums" just turns people against you.

Actually, in Jager's stream you can throw out lots of build questions and he, along with other knowledgeable people in the chat, will provide helpful answers. And not just about meta builds, either, but everything from how best to employ certain weapons, to what mechs can safely run XL's, etc.

[Sarlic]

Egomane, on 11 June 2014 - 02:23 AM, said:

There is a player willing to answer questions from his point of view and all he gets is animosity. Do you really believe, that is how a community should work together?

My thanks to those who participate in the spirit of the thread. I wish more would do so.

Then my posts gets removed for being unconstructive?

All questions has answers based on opinions. First thing you need to know: the game is broken, has balance issues and you expect me to ask questions regarding his experience? Because i already knew what questions were going to be asked.

And i am not surprised.

Please try again when the game is in a better state of balance, how to run a proper tournament, more content regarding competitive and matchmaking which is working.

I respect the guy for trying. But the timing is bad.

Apologies. That's all i wanted to say. Please carry on for the people willing to do so. I was just replying to this post. I will not react on my quoted replies as i do not want to flood off-topic, but i felt this needs to be said regarding "Do you really believe, that is how a community should work together?"

Edited by Sarlic, 11 June 2014 - 10:30 AM.

[Jun Watarase]

Alwrath, on 10 June 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

Actually it depends. I am a high elo player and I have never followed " the meta ". I actually left my unit Blackstone Knights because they tried to force me into " meta " builds that were inferior to my own builds that I came up with. I refused to move from my dual ppc gauss jump sniper victor dragon slayer to a dual ppc dual ac5 build like everyone and there mother was. Sure I tried it out, but I prefer Gauss for its higher alpha and better range.

I use to play competitively in leagues and run hot or die etc. against all the best teams. You really dont need " the meta " to win. A good pilot is far more important that a mech build, unless the build truly is awful.

Of course when we found out srm's were not registering we stopped using them, because in that case the game is broken and PGI needed to fix it. Well, june 17th hopefully will fix it so the game will be far more balanced and you will see alot more rush brawling tactics from all the good teams out there.

If you don't need meta to win, how come none of the teams that got near the tournament finals used non-meta builds? Almost all the heavies/assaults used the same builds, and nobody ran mechs like the HBK-4G.

[Marmon Rzohr]

I actually thought of another question what do you think of the LL (ER or non-ER) ? It seems like it should be a more potent weapon - other than specialized uses in Spiders or Ravens there is very little reason to use it in an optimized build. What could be done to the LL to make it more competitive ?

dario03, on 11 June 2014 - 04:31 AM, said:

Alright I have the questions everybody is dying to get answers to.

1. Why did you title this "Ask the Jager"?
2. Does anybody call you "The Jager"?
3. If so, then how come I never see you in a Jagermech?
4. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

I await the answers to these super important questions.

You don't have to wait, let me help you:

1. Because he is the Jager
2. Refer to point 1
3. I'm not sure, but I blame the Illuminati
4. 361.9237001 cubic centrimeters of wood per day, but only if they are really hungry. They usually eat bugs and grass, that sort of thing.

You're welcome

Edited by Marmon Rzohr, 11 June 2014 - 11:59 AM.

[Ovion]

Not sure if it's been put but:

I would like to hear an impartial / unbiased as possible review of the pros and cons of 'unpopular' weapons such as the LB10-X, Flamers, etc, from a 'professional' standpoint.

Edited by Ovion, 11 June 2014 - 04:19 PM.

[btChampion]

discounting player skill, what other talents and skills sperate average joes from competative level players.