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[Dracol]

Suicidal Baby, on 09 June 2014 - 07:25 PM, said:

UAV is the most used for that purpose. 0 weight, 0 space, with high value payout over multiple targets.

The good old UAV. Great for targeting massed units. I can imagine ya'll work to make sure they are taking down ASAP, just like the enemy.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

*Looks at thread*

*Sees words, words, words, words, words*

*People saying JagerXII is a good player*

*Adds JagerXII to hit list*

[Potato Farmer]

I can probably assume that my elo is mid-high range, purely on the basis that I can get dropped with all the way from top tier competitive players to half-decent players who can play but lack some tactical awareness. Somehow I manage to avoid the complete newbies which I suppose is a good thing (?).

I also know that I can achieve a much higher elo if I purely played meta builds (at least 200-300 increase). I most definitely will never achieve the same stats that JagerXII and co. have, as I simply do not have the time/patience to invest into perfecting my skills, but I can say for certain that without encountering players of a much higher skill level, and with a lance of poptart meta builds, winrate can be increased to a conservative 70-80%, it's just that effective.

Unfortunately or fortunately, I like to have fun with AC/20 brawler, SRM splat, and light hunting streak builds. Similarly with the folk that I run with, in Aussie evening timezones, they come up with all sorts of weird builds. Of course, this ends when I get sick of losing to LRM heavy PUGs or substantially lower skilled meta poptarts in my sad brawlers, at which point I will take out my DS/3D and get a couple of good wins and call it a night.

Similarly for the very highest level, I can bet my stones that many of the players' builds are dictated more by necessity than choice. They have no choice but to use meta builds to stay at the very top. Sure, they can bring out brawler D-DCs but they will never be as effective as meta poptarts (it's meta for a reason). So, until PGI balances things, the current meta most likely will never change. People can try to have fun with non-meta, but the fun ends when you get ripped apart by a lance of dragon slayers.

[Dirus Nigh]

Good thread Jager. This is the type of thing the competitive community needs to do to reach out to MWO players as a whole.

Gyrok, on 09 June 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

Why do I have no clue who you are then...?

No offense, that group is pretty defined, you typically see similar people on at similar times, they may not know you directly, though they know of you indirectly.

Adiuvo, on 09 June 2014 - 06:02 PM, said:

Top elo doesn't really mean you're any good.

Can you be any more condescending? You do not know this person. You do not know his ability as an individual player. There a ton of pug players that as an individual could make competitive players work for their win. Just because you may not see him, or regularly enough to remember his name, does not mean he sucks. Come on you are acting like the epitome of the arrogant, snide jerk casual players are turned off by.

There were players in the launch day tournament who only played solo, and many of them more than pulled their own weight for their teams. That also includes the winning team tiger.

Also keep in mind that even though average players can be lifted up the elo bracket because they drop with good four man teams, good solo players can be dragged down by constantly being put on teams with below average players.

[Adiuvo]

Dirus Nigh, on 09 June 2014 - 07:58 PM, said:

Can you be any more condescending? You do not know this person. You do not know his ability as an individual player. There a ton of pug players that as an individual could make competitive players work for their win. Just because you may not see him, or regularly enough to remember his name, does not mean he sucks. Come on you are acting like the epitome of the arrogant, snide jerk casual players are turned off by.

There were players in the launch day tournament who only played solo, and many of them more than pulled their own weight for their teams. That also includes the winning team tiger.

Also keep in mind that even though average players can be lifted up the elo bracket because they drop with good four man teams, good solo players can be dragged down by constantly being put on teams with below average players.

I didn't call him bad. The only thing I will say about him is that he's not really notable. I vaguely remember his name from in game but I don't recall how he performed. This is neither good nor bad. It just is. Same with the comment that being in high Elo doesn't mean you're good. I frequently see the same names perform terribly time after time. These people aren't good at the game despite them being in 'high' Elo.

Considering that he was being quite a **** in his post I'm not sure why you're defending him either. If you're not being nice I'm not going to be particularly nice to you either.

[Dirus Nigh]

Adiuvo, on 09 June 2014 - 08:09 PM, said:

I didn't call him bad. The only thing I will say about him is that he's not really notable. I vaguely remember his name from in game but I don't recall how he performed. This is neither good nor bad. It just is. Same with the comment that being in high Elo doesn't mean you're good. I frequently see the same names perform terribly time after time. These people aren't good at the game despite them being in 'high' Elo.

Considering that he was being quite a **** in his post I'm not sure why you're defending him either. If you're not being nice I'm not going to be particularly nice to you either.

Honestly, he was being rather pushy. I myself was rather half cocked in my previous post. For that I apologies to you and gryok. It touches a nerve when I think people are looking down on others. All I really did was help the derailment. Even if I started with a complementing the thread.

[Iqfish]

Can we talk about making MWO fair, balanced and fun to play?

[GRiPSViGiL]

Lots of swinging from DEEZ NNUU....going on in here. Anywho.

The current meta does get old game after game and it would be nice to have more dynamic matches but it is what it is. You either play ball, take your ball and go home or stfu. Public queue games are meaningless grinds for XP and CB. If you are so upset at what the "top" skilled people play you can join leagues and tournies that have rules tailored to give this game the variety it has in spite of balance.

Jager is good and has the experience and skill that any player no matter the skill level should try to emulate. However, he is just as vulnerable as any similarly skilled pilot without a good lance to support the team aspect required to succeed in public or private play. If there is one thing people should take note of about him is that. Builds are plug and play but coordination + skill is deadly.

Cheers.

Edited by GRiPSViGiL, 09 June 2014 - 08:54 PM.

[Bhael Fire]

JagerXII, on 09 June 2014 - 01:43 AM, said:

Hello!

Hey Jager! Nice to see you posting...you should do it more often. I think your input would be a valuable addition to these forums, as many people here rarely listen to the NGNG podcasts, watch twitch streams or follow the competitive scene.

A large portion of the MWO community rarely ventures outside of these forums (or the game for that matter) for additional MWO sustenance...so naturally, your OP probably came off a bit like this to them:

[Mcgral18]

So, if all of the clan measures to reduce PP FLD is applied to the IS, do you expect the meta to change?

Dual gauss+ERPPC? Or any combinations of Gauss+PPCs for that matter, since there are more efficient ones. Or do you imagine something entirely different would happen?

Let's say spread PPCs is 6+2+2 and ERPPC is 8+1+1. Gauss mechanic unchanged.

[Divine Retribution]

I appreciate your intentions, but after reading this thread my only real questions are: While reading the posts in this thread do you have repeated urges to shake your head in disgust/disapproval/disbelief? How about urges to facepalm? Finally, does reading this thread make you want to shake your head while facepalming?

Good luck with it and try not to shake your head too hard, whiplash and all that...

[Quizzical Coconut]

Can our current closed ranged weapons beat our long ranged weapons up close at a competitive level? when looking at the following:

ac20 (4 tons ammo):
- .277 damage/second/ton
- 3.33 damage/heat

2xac5 (4 tons ammo):
- .3 damage/second/ton
- 5 damage/heat

Is the singular advantage of torso twisting on the ac20 worth all the other disadvantages? As far as I can tell, close and long ranged weapons are practically tied at close range. I believe damage/second/ton as well as damage/heat should be in favor of the short ranged weapons, but would first like someone who's been in both situations 100's of times to confirm or deny the current state of our weaponry.

Edited by Quizzical Coconut, 10 June 2014 - 01:36 AM.

[Iqfish]

Bhael Fire, on 09 June 2014 - 08:57 PM, said:

A large portion of the MWO community rarely ventures outside of these forums (or the game for that matter) for additional MWO sustenance...so naturally, your OP probably came off a bit like this to them:

QFT

[Kin3ticX]

Hi JagerXII,

• In your own AMA thread, it highlights some of the vitriol that floats around the mwo community, sometimes between metagamers and the anti-metagame crowds. What is it that the anti-metagamers can't see from your perspective?
  
• What future changes do you think could done to MWO to turn more new players into long-term players.
  
• As people climb the steep learning curve of MWO, what is some advice to keep people from plateauing skill-wise?

Edited by Kin3ticX, 10 June 2014 - 04:07 AM.

[Egomane]

Ok... hopefully the e-peen showing is over now and we can get back on topic.


It doesn't matter in what Elo bracket a player is. His opinion and questions are just as valid as everyone elses.

[Mr David]

I find myself in the same boat as Mister D. Mister D and I often play at similar times and have repeated drops with SJG or HoL pug stomping with arty spamming 3xDS and a CTF 3D/Ember (drops in other mechs have been exceedingly rare in my experience). It's quite frustrating to drop in a Trebuchet or some SRM based mech for fun only to have very little hope of being of any significance on either side of the coming slaughter. Since this is happening more and more often lately, sometimes for 5-6 matches in a row and multiple matches most evenings, my best option has been to stop playing my fun builds and hop in Misery or a 3D with the hopes of doing something productive until the brutal cycle of 12-0 matches fizzles out. I find these matches to be the antithesis of why I play MWO even if I am on the winning side and get some kills. Bulbasoar put it well noting how playing in matches with Tier 1 4 man drops takes the fun out of the game. That is the source of the frustration and negative remarks you guys often get.

Despite hating to play in matches with you guys, I would like to give appreciation to Jager for opening up this thread. I look forward to hearing your perspective on some of the great questions asked by forum members.

[AssaultPig]

GRiPSViGiL, on 09 June 2014 - 08:52 PM, said:

Lots of swinging from DEEZ NNUU....going on in here. Anywho.

The current meta does get old game after game and it would be nice to have more dynamic matches but it is what it is. You either play ball, take your ball and go home or stfu. Public queue games are meaningless grinds for XP and CB. If you are so upset at what the "top" skilled people play you can join leagues and tournies that have rules tailored to give this game the variety it has in spite of balance.

Jager is good and has the experience and skill that any player no matter the skill level should try to emulate. However, he is just as vulnerable as any similarly skilled pilot without a good lance to support the team aspect required to succeed in public or private play. If there is one thing people should take note of about him is that. Builds are plug and play but coordination + skill is deadly.

Cheers.

this is a really stupid attitude; random pub matches are how most players interact with the game and the idea that it's fine that many of them be noncompetitive stomps is a recipe for a dead game

for the record I don't blame these dudes for running the builds they want to run; hate the game not the player etc. But getting dropped in game after game against dudes who you already know are running a VTR-DS/CTF-3D lance isn't fun. I haven't even bothered logging in for a week or two because at the times of day I can play, I seem to see these groups in half to two thirds of my games. It isn't fun to be on the receiving end and it's barely fun to be on the same team with

ed: also in general, doing an 'AMA' and then directing people to your stream for actual answers is lame as hell

Edited by AssaultPig, 10 June 2014 - 04:50 AM.

[Rhaythe]

AssaultPig, on 10 June 2014 - 04:46 AM, said:

ed: also in general, doing an 'AMA' and then directing people to your stream for actual answers is lame as hell

This. Which is kind of why I'm not participating. With respect to the mods and the OP, posting a call of questions and funnelling us elsewhere feels like cheap advertisement. It feels like another illustration of how low this game's own forum community ranks.

[Daddy Pig]

Hello JagerXII, I often follow you on twitch.

Some questions:

- What's your key set up for movement? Do you use trottle decay?

- Do you use any macros?

- When firing at a fresh enemy, what part do you target as first choice?

- How is the current mwo competitive scene? How many really conmpetitive teams are there?
To follow some mwo competitive games as a spectator, on what sites should I look?

- Of all the matches of the first officilal competition, what is the most intresting one in your opinion?

- If you were given the opportunity to design a mech from scratch, what would you design (in terms of weight and hard points)?

[Wildstreak]

1 - What could be done to improve the New Player Experience? I have played other online games (Lord of the Rings Online, DC Universe Online, Champions Online, Marvel Heroes) and they all have a period of time for easing new players in while they learn the game. The first 3 have designated New Player areas where they cannot run into the more dangerous parts of the game world. Certain advanced features are not active until they are allowed into the full game world.

Here, New Players are lumped into the lowest ELO with regular players thus get exposed to features New Players do not have access too. ECM, for example, is not seen on current Trial mechs but could be in opposing team forces. BAP I believe is another example.

2 - Do you think it is possible to design a Private Match format that allows XP & CB rewards without abuse? In past online gaming I have done, players are allowed to meet in lobbies where they group and go into the game gaining rewards together, I never heard much of any abuse of the game systems and this TMK has been common practice.

Here, we have the PUG match format of random team compositions being the only way to gain XP & CB rewards. Private Matches are still new but do not offer the rewards.

Can & should MWO transition the system similar to other games, allowing players social features to group together and gain rewards thus removing the PUG format?