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[Atkins0n]

Targetloc, on 09 June 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

Does PGI have much interaction with the 'top tier' players? Do they take balance feedback from them?

Do you think the general forum population is on an island?

Yes pgi does, karl, niko, newman , and buckton have played and talked with tier 1 teams.

[Cyborne Elemental]

So if you consider yourself good, and obviously have the ego to start a thread honoring yourself and your expertise with the easiest weapon loadout in the game, why do you still use it, knowing its the "only way to win".

Why not use builds that actually challenge you, use weapons that are harder to gain 1200 damage rounds with, and try to influence PGI that gameplay balance is lopsided when you use anything except the meta?

I find it hard to respect any player that just does the same thing, every game, every time.

Honestly, I find that most of the community resents you guys, not respects what you do.

Seriously, that all you guys do, just drop on JJ assaults with the easiest build in the game, and stomp pubs and force everyone else to play the same way you do, or just get crushed over and over.

As "founding members" you should be the ones responsible for bringing balance to PGI's attention, and helping round out gameplay mechanics instead of exploiting it and rubbing it in other people's faces.

[Targetloc]

Mister D, on 09 June 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

So if you consider yourself good, and obviously have the ego to start a thread honoring yourself and your expertise with the easiest weapon loadout in the game, why do you still use it, knowing its the "only way to win".

Why not use builds that actually challenge you, use weapons that are harder to gain 1200 damage rounds with, and try to influence PGI that gameplay balance is lopsided when you use anything except the meta?

I find it hard to respect any player that just does the same thing, every game, every time.

Honestly, I find that most of the community resents you guys, not respects what you do.

Seriously, that all you guys do, just drop on JJ assaults with the easiest build in the game, and stomp pubs and force everyone else to play the same way you do, or just get crushed over and over.

As "founding members" you should be the ones responsible for bringing balance to PGI's attention, and helping round out gameplay mechanics instead of exploiting it and rubbing it in other people's faces.

Perhaps there's an alt-universe Jager who's equally skilled in every regard, but takes your suggested approach of playing non-meta because it challenges him more... and because he loses, no one knows his name.

[Gyrok]

Mister D, on 09 June 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

So if you consider yourself good, and obviously have the ego to start a thread honoring yourself and your expertise with the easiest weapon loadout in the game, why do you still use it, knowing its the "only way to win".

Why not use builds that actually challenge you, use weapons that are harder to gain 1200 damage rounds with, and try to influence PGI that gameplay balance is lopsided when you use anything except the meta?

I find it hard to respect any player that just does the same thing, every game, every time.

Honestly, I find that most of the community resents you guys, not respects what you do.

Seriously, that all you guys do, just drop on JJ assaults with the easiest build in the game, and stomp pubs and force everyone else to play the same way you do, or just get crushed over and over.

As "founding members" you should be the ones responsible for bringing balance to PGI's attention, and helping round out gameplay mechanics instead of exploiting it and rubbing it in other people's faces.

As someone who has dropped on the same side, and against, Jager on numerous occasions, he typically is not running meta in PUG drops. Usually I see him in Catapults and other things, though occasionally in something like a Victor, etc.

[Creovex]

Tricepticon, on 09 June 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

Or hes just not a ****** and actually read what jager said, which was he would be answering questions on his stream, because he knows you turds are just going ask dumb questions on here about meta.

I hope not. Advertising is against forum rules and if he has no intent of answering all these I have to report if for unconstructive/spamming...

[White Bear 84]

Creovex, on 09 June 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

I hope not. Advertising is against forum rules and if he has no intent of answering all these I have to report if for unconstructive/spamming...

Pretty sure if his post was againast forum rules this thread would be closed already.. ..as far as being unconstructive goes, it appears to be the opposite as there are a lot of players with (actually) valid questions in here. Even if they are not being answered in the forum it still provides information for the developers.. ..plus Jager has provided a platform to answer the questions asked - there is nothing wrong with this.

[Kyle Wright]

Mister D, on 09 June 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

So if you consider yourself good, and obviously have the ego to start a thread honoring yourself and your expertise with the easiest weapon loadout in the game, why do you still use it, knowing its the "only way to win".

Why not use builds that actually challenge you, use weapons that are harder to gain 1200 damage rounds with, and try to influence PGI that gameplay balance is lopsided when you use anything except the meta?

I find it hard to respect any player that just does the same thing, every game, every time.

Honestly, I find that most of the community resents you guys, not respects what you do.

Seriously, that all you guys do, just drop on JJ assaults with the easiest build in the game, and stomp pubs and force everyone else to play the same way you do, or just get crushed over and over.

As "founding members" you should be the ones responsible for bringing balance to PGI's attention, and helping round out gameplay mechanics instead of exploiting it and rubbing it in other people's faces.

I'm sure Jager like other competitive players including myself still play fun builds to try new things. Meta usually is only played out of necessity.

Example. I prefer to play my Ac20 Hunchie all the time because it's way harder and terribly plagued by that hunch sticking way out. But when I get into matches and the ppcs are flying and I'm dying I switch up to the Shadowhawk 2ac5 1 ppc.

[Aresye]

Mister D, on 09 June 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

So if you consider yourself good, and obviously have the ego to start a thread honoring yourself and your expertise with the easiest weapon loadout in the game, why do you still use it, knowing its the "only way to win".

Why not use builds that actually challenge you, use weapons that are harder to gain 1200 damage rounds with, and try to influence PGI that gameplay balance is lopsided when you use anything except the meta?

I find it hard to respect any player that just does the same thing, every game, every time.

Honestly, I find that most of the community resents you guys, not respects what you do.

Seriously, that all you guys do, just drop on JJ assaults with the easiest build in the game, and stomp pubs and force everyone else to play the same way you do, or just get crushed over and over.

As "founding members" you should be the ones responsible for bringing balance to PGI's attention, and helping round out gameplay mechanics instead of exploiting it and rubbing it in other people's faces.

Way to take all the worst attitudes and loadouts of the competitive community and unfairly throw it down on a single person who's offered to share insight with other players.

I'm pretty sure JagerXII plays a larger variety of mechs and loadouts than most players.

[Dracol]

I can attest to SJR's non-meta drops in the 12 man queue. Last time we fought, if I remember correctly, they had a Battlemaster.... and a Locust spotter as well.

Which brings me to another question: Has SJR tried Narcs, and if so how did they play out for you?

Edited by Dracol, 09 June 2014 - 04:47 PM.

[Atkins0n]

Mister D, on 09 June 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

So if you consider yourself good, and obviously have the ego to start a thread honoring yourself and your expertise with the easiest weapon loadout in the game, why do you still use it, knowing its the "only way to win".

Why not use builds that actually challenge you, use weapons that are harder to gain 1200 damage rounds with, and try to influence PGI that gameplay balance is lopsided when you use anything except the meta?

I find it hard to respect any player that just does the same thing, every game, every time.

Honestly, I find that most of the community resents you guys, not respects what you do.

Seriously, that all you guys do, just drop on JJ assaults with the easiest build in the game, and stomp pubs and force everyone else to play the same way you do, or just get crushed over and over.

As "founding members" you should be the ones responsible for bringing balance to PGI's attention, and helping round out gameplay mechanics instead of exploiting it and rubbing it in other people's faces.

First of all, jager literally is one of the best mwo players right now....2nd wtf? Your really asking why he USUALLY runs angry lance? When you grow up and get into elo where takes like 10+ mins to SOLO que, and when you do 4s you run into all other high elo angry lances, then you will realize. Sick and tired of you ******* crybabies in this game, you dont go in wow and cry about the best classes, or play Counterstrike and cry about awps or colts even the ak? High elo players are high elo because we like winning, how do you win, you use the "meta" which is what is most effective at that time. Even if it shifted to srms all you Kiddies would be crying about how srms are no skill and how snipeing should be relevant.

One more thing, I think higher elo players SHOULD be crying about all you bums taking joke builds, and srms when they dont even reg, or running out suicideing at start of a match. Yet you don't see threads about this being made. Why? Because you do something about things you don''t like, not cry and attack other ppl over it.

Edited by Tricepticon, 09 June 2014 - 04:55 PM.

[Suicidal Baby]

Dracol, on 09 June 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

I can attest to SJR's non-meta drops in the 12 man queue. Last time we fought, if I remember correctly, they had a Battlemaster.... and a Locust spotter as well.

Which brings me to another question: Has SJR tried Narcs, and if so how did they play out for you?

As a dead fire, 0 damage, 4-5 tonnage investment, it falls a little short when a ppc does the same thing along with 10 pinpoint damage. Couple this with the fact that LRMs still do not present a significant threat at higher levels and you end up bringing a handicapped mech just to apply the narc.

Some situations/maps do lend themselves to 1 or 2 LRM boats in a 12 man, but those are limited and dont generally warrant the narc investment.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Hey guess what, I'm in that top ELO bracket, I have to play against these guys all the time.

And surprise, I got there by "not using the meta".

If it looks like I'm pointing a finger at Jager on this, I'm not.

I'm pointing at all of you guys, because that is how you play, that is how the community see's you play, and your actions reflect highly on the player base.

You're in the position to help PGI make this a better game, you're the "elite" players in the community that influence the meta and how this game is played.

Edited by Mister D, 09 June 2014 - 05:32 PM.

[Atkins0n]

Mister D, on 09 June 2014 - 05:32 PM, said:

Hey guess what, I'm in that top ELO bracket, I have to play against these guys all the time.

Hey guess what, just because your mediocre elo gets brought into big boy games from time, to time to even it out, doesn't mean your high elo. I'm going to que 5 in mourning, why do I keep geting jager.... must be Because im high elo!

Edited by Tricepticon, 09 June 2014 - 05:35 PM.

[Ovres Mot]

Tricepticon, on 09 June 2014 - 04:51 PM, said:

First of all, jager literally is one of the best mwo players right now....2nd wtf? Your really asking why he USUALLY runs angry lance? When you grow up and get into elo where takes like 10+ mins to SOLO que, and when you do 4s you run into all other high elo angry lances, then you will realize. Sick and tired of you ******* crybabies in this game, you dont go in wow and cry about the best classes, or play Counterstrike and cry about awps or colts even the ak? High elo players are high elo because we like winning, how do you win, you use the "meta" which is what is most effective at that time. Even if it shifted to srms all you Kiddies would be crying about how srms are no skill and how snipeing should be relevant.

One more thing, I think higher elo players SHOULD be crying about all you bums taking joke builds, and srms when they dont even reg, or running out suicideing at start of a match. Yet you don't see threads about this being made. Why? Because you do something about things you don''t like, not cry and attack other ppl over it.

someone needs to relax.

Edited by Ovres Mot, 09 June 2014 - 05:44 PM.

[Adiuvo]

Mister D, on 09 June 2014 - 05:32 PM, said:

Hey guess what, I'm in that top ELO bracket, I have to play against these guys all the time.

And surprise, I got there by "not using the meta".

If it looks like I'm pointing a finger at Jager on this, I'm not.

I'm pointing at all of you guys, because that is how you play, that is how the community see's you play, and your actions reflect highly on the player base.

You're in the position to help PGI make this a better game, you're the "elite" players in the community that influence the meta and how this game is played.

Top elo doesn't really mean you're any good.

Leaders in the comp scene have repeatedly met with PGI and proposed solutions that would help curb the power of jumpsniping. What will not happen is its complete removal.

Playing whatever is overpowered is the only way to demonstrate that its overpowered. Ignoring the problem won't magically make a solution.

[-Natural Selection-]

Btw, as soon as people start talking about elo you pretty much discredit anything you say after that. (Santa and Easter Bunny is sitting beside me and agrees)

[Atkins0n]

Ovres Mot, on 09 June 2014 - 05:41 PM, said:

someone needs to relax.

You must have some pretty valid points, to sit there type that. Or you couldn't think of anything funny and posted this since I probly killed half your team in a pug when you were about to win. I'm not even mad, just disapointed that you people can play same game yet seem so off from reality.

[Dracol]

Suicidal Baby, on 09 June 2014 - 05:09 PM, said:

As a dead fire, 0 damage, 4-5 tonnage investment, it falls a little short when a ppc does the same thing along with 10 pinpoint damage. Couple this with the fact that LRMs still do not present a significant threat at higher levels and you end up bringing a handicapped mech just to apply the narc.

Some situations/maps do lend themselves to 1 or 2 LRM boats in a 12 man, but those are limited and dont generally warrant the narc investment.

Good points all. One benefit I find from it is the long term target retention... and not necessarily for LRMs either. I was curious if it was ever used to retain lock without LOS in order to provide the ability to concentrate fire for jump snipers.

30 secs of knowing where the enemy is prior to jump jetting for a strike has got to be useful. Add a coordinated jump of a few mechs, an the ttk would be reduced, no?

[Gyrok]

Mister D, on 09 June 2014 - 05:32 PM, said:

Hey guess what, I'm in that top ELO bracket, I have to play against these guys all the time.

And surprise, I got there by "not using the meta".

If it looks like I'm pointing a finger at Jager on this, I'm not.

I'm pointing at all of you guys, because that is how you play, that is how the community see's you play, and your actions reflect highly on the player base.

You're in the position to help PGI make this a better game, you're the "elite" players in the community that influence the meta and how this game is played.

Why do I have no clue who you are then...?

No offense, that group is pretty defined, you typically see similar people on at similar times, they may not know you directly, though they know of you indirectly.

Perhaps you are ignorant of the others in your matches, however, I am not...and Mister D has never been on my radar.

Do not take this personally, but do not flatter yourself. You might end up in matches with that level of players sometime...as a PUG...in Charlie Lance...when there are not 3 premades in the same drop on both sides. I will give you that, as it happens.

However, no one in THAT group would be someone I would miss.

Additionally, surprise, surprise, I have to call BS on your claim of how they play all the time, because I DO drop against them pretty frequently...and they are often playing non-meta mechs, or non-meta builds screwing around usually just to try something else.

If you really knew what you thought you knew...you would know that secretly the majority of meta players want brawling to be viable again. That is what everyone enjoyed, and it is always the most fun to play a match that ends up in a brawl.

So, I think you are a little man on a soap box trying to point your finger at the sky and cry "META!!!!!", when in reality...the players you speak of most typically play something else when they have a choice about it.

So, go back to your corner of the internet and scream meta at someone else...you are so far from reality that the world should slap you with paradox.

Good day sir.

Edited by Gyrok, 09 June 2014 - 06:56 PM.

[Suicidal Baby]

Dracol, on 09 June 2014 - 06:45 PM, said:

Good points all. One benefit I find from it is the long term target retention... and not necessarily for LRMs either. I was curious if it was ever used to retain lock without LOS in order to provide the ability to concentrate fire for jump snipers.

30 secs of knowing where the enemy is prior to jump jetting for a strike has got to be useful. Add a coordinated jump of a few mechs, an the ttk would be reduced, no?

UAV is the most used for that purpose. 0 weight, 0 space, with high value payout over multiple targets and results are typically game changing.

Edited by Suicidal Baby, 09 June 2014 - 07:27 PM.