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[The Dreaded Baron B Killer]

Since the latest weapon Nerfing, the amount of people now carrying LRMS and piloting LRM boats has shot up..

It's becoming almost pointless to play a brawler build now with what's going on.

Any chance the Matchmaker can actually Limit the amount of LRMs per team, Since literally out of 10 games 6-7 will be LRM fests. And I'm not complaing about Dying either, I'm talking about also some matches where I don't even get to do anything since the LRMS just fly out and kill away and I'm plodding along trying to find something to shoot.

I'm not saying anything should be done directly to LRMS themselves, you can counter them and whatnot, but when 4+ people are boating LRMS at you, in caustic valley, there is little you can do but run around and die.

The fun aspect of the game keeps coming and going, and I think if this kind of balancing would happen it would atleast give people a chance to actually play the game.

[Nova Latios Storm]

Hehe good for us little light scouts to sheak behind and spot for missle boats. -evil grin-

[ShinVector]

It is a TOOO BAD issue...
Mr. P thinks there are not enough LRMs...

Mr. P make LRM spamming a lot more viable by buffing their speed and making them very hard to dodge unless you are really close cover.

General public... Why bother taking time to learn how to use harder weapons when I can just spam LRMs for damage. ? 'I AM HELPING THE TEAM BY SPAMMING LRMS.. In my assault mech !"
Works reasonable well in lower ELO band until they come across pugs that knows the map and how to deal with LRMs...

Anyway... Yeah.. Sometimes I feel that if one could have an overview of what your team is carrying... You can adjust your tactics accordingly..
Had matches... Where you die pathetically realising later that the reason why the team didn't push with you was because the heavies and assaults was boating LRMs...

Edited by ShinVector, 11 June 2014 - 04:50 AM.

[Naduk]

instead of demanding the game change
how about you change your self
the game will change over time naturally (meta changes and balance tweaks)

there is plenty of things you can do to combat LRM use

take AMS (or dual AMS)
take ECM
take ECM and AMS

lighten your load out, take a faster engine, hunt LRM boats and spotters

avoid pushing a lane of fire if you know its covered by LRM's (find a new path)

take NARC and a faster engine, tag enemy LRM boats with NARC give them a taste of their own medicine

find team mates who all carry AMS, stay within 200m of each other and forget LRM exist

only move out if you know there is cover to use ahead, never get caught out in the open


there is so many many ways that LRM are not even an issue
starting a thread on weapon X needs to be limited to Y amount per match is bad form and shows you just got whooped by it
setting hard limits on a given weapon, you might as well just remove the mechlab completely
if you stop LRM from being used at whim, people will simply use the next thing,
AC40 cats, jaggers and phracts used to be in numbers that rivaled a locust plague, a return to those days is not desired
leave LRM alone, SRM are getting buffed/fixed next patch (they got a few buffs already)

the recent AC nerfs have shown just how out of role they were
all 3 weapon groups need their harmony naturally
we are very close to that now
i believe that the inc SRM fix will set things pretty close to right, many chassis/builds will become viable again



AMS is getting a module buff, as well as target decay (that one is going to be a nightmare for LRM units)

we do not need artificial layers of balance, 3 months ago LRM was at near zero usage
6 months before that it was LRMAGEDDON2, such is the cycle of natural balance

[Oethe]

I find a single AMS is a lot less effective than it used to do be due to the speed increase. Almost to the point it is pointless. I remember when a lance with AMS (as in each member) could almost down a single lrm 20 volley. I think 5 or so got through. Now a lance barely scratches a LRM 20 volley.

[The Dreaded Baron B Killer]

Naduk, what makes you think I haven't?

I switched builds on my Boars Head & Cata because of this. I've gone for speed on BH vs firepower, and an XL in the cata..

However, the other builds of mine would be severely impaired if I traded speed for firepower... I mean what's the point of Piloting a DDC lrm boat? DDC is primarily a brawler and support mech.

btw I reported you to the mods, and will be reporting people from now on rather than getting into heated debates with players with bad attitudes.

[ShinVector]

BaronBastardKiller, on 11 June 2014 - 07:00 AM, said:

However, the other builds of mine would be severely impaired if I traded speed for firepower... I mean what's the point of Piloting a DDC lrm boat? DDC is primarily a brawler and support mech.

Typical match where an assault LRM boat proved to be near useless.
His team decides to cap and he gets left behind... With only 2 medium lasers even my Mando will almost 100% kill you 1v1...

More balanced team see what is happening.. and Base Cap DENIED !!
Still and interesting match.. How often do you see base cap attempts in assault nowadays ?? Again thanks to Mr. P and his base turrets setup that mostly benefit bigger mechs....

Edited by ShinVector, 11 June 2014 - 07:18 AM.

[The Dreaded Baron B Killer]

Note also,I don't think you bothered to read my post, I never said anything about hard limits to the mechs, simply the MM making sure that there is a balance of LRMs per team. Never said anything about changing the weapons or the mechs themselves. Perhaps read a persons thoughts before writing a long post about how there is nothing wrong with the weapons or games and its the person who is posting at fault.

[F R A N C I S]

I don't think they should limit LRM's... the multiplayer client is way behind what's out there...
For starters if they allowed publicly hosted servers like all the other FPS's... you could find servers which run no LRM matches etc.

But I digress... I know what you mean, but that is how PUG matches would be nice to be able to see what your teammates loadouts are so you can choose your mech. But I think they mentioned it would mean a complete rewrite... however even after the rewrite, I think LRM's are fine... I mean this keeps the game interesting so you can change and adapt to how the community plays.

[ShinVector]

iUDEXnCr, on 11 June 2014 - 06:53 PM, said:

But I digress... I know what you mean, but that is how PUG matches would be nice to be able to see what your teammates loadouts are so you can choose your mech. But I think they mentioned it would mean a complete rewrite... however even after the rewrite, I think LRM's are fine... I mean this keeps the game interesting so you can change and adapt to how the community plays.

Yeah... Knowing what team is carrying could probably Non LRM boating team mate make better decisions.
At least you will when it is highly unlikely the heavies and assaults will not support you at the front lines.

A short summary will do.. Eg.
1. Teammate A - Highlander - LRM50, 2MLS, TAG
2. Teammate B - Jager A - LRM40, 2MLS, 2MG.
..............

[Wolfways]

You already got your wish. LRM's are so bad that many players remove them when they customize their mechs. There's a lot less than there should be.

[The Dreaded Baron B Killer]

Wolfways, on 12 June 2014 - 02:32 AM, said:

You already got your wish. LRM's are so bad that many players remove them when they customize their mechs. There's a lot less than there should be.

you mad bro?

[Wolfways]

BaronBastardKiller, on 12 June 2014 - 05:45 AM, said:

you mad bro?

I was just answering your OP. You wanted less LRM's and i'm telling you it already happened.

But if we're going for childish replies....
LRM's don't bother me, so why would being a better player than you bother me?

[Naduk]

BaronBastardKiller, on 11 June 2014 - 07:00 AM, said:

Naduk, what makes you think I haven't?

I switched builds on my Boars Head & Cata because of this. I've gone for speed on BH vs firepower, and an XL in the cata..

However, the other builds of mine would be severely impaired if I traded speed for firepower... I mean what's the point of Piloting a DDC lrm boat? DDC is primarily a brawler and support mech.

btw I reported you to the mods, and will be reporting people from now on rather than getting into heated debates with players with bad attitudes.

you can think what you like, i pilot primarily centurions mostly brawlers or mixed role
i was in the top 10 for centurion last mediums vs the world tourny
my next most played mech is my Catapult C1 with 2xLRM20A, 4xML

but what would i know, im just a troll here to give you a hard time hey
i wasn't really giving you advice or attempting to illustrate why a particularly negative request would hurt the game

i think you need to report me again
after that, you should buy a catapult A1, see just how far you get with LRMs, because they are super OP and need hard limits to be worked into the match maker, because matching players in groups,mech types and ELO is not complex enough already
that other guys grass, it aint as green as you think it is

(fyi my Atlas ASD-7 with std360 engine has no issue with LRM or facing down ANY other opponent)