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[An1m4l]

With the promise of rolling out CW in 2014, I am wondering if some of the pieces that will be included will be the loyalty point system? Part of the "Phoenix package" was house medallions that granted loyalty points.
If you collect money for something, with the promise that it will be part of the game, then you need to make good on that promise.

[Tombstoner]

I'm still waiting on them to deliver what was promised for the founders package.....

[Karl Marlow]

Tombstoner, on 11 June 2014 - 05:09 AM, said:

I'm still waiting on them to deliver what was promised for the founders package.....

Might want to send in a support ticket. I got my Founders Catapult and access to Closed Beta. A Little late for the Beta but you might want to check into why you didn't get your Founders mechs.

[Rhaythe]

ThomasMarik, on 11 June 2014 - 05:14 AM, said:

Might want to send in a support ticket.  I got my Founders Catapult and access to Closed Beta.  A Little late for the Beta but you might want to check into why you didn't get your Founders mechs.

It's possible something got mixed up if you didn't get your premium time as well. Support's pretty good about these things.

[Xtrekker]

Perhaps he means the big line of BS that was advertised to boost Founders' sales. Still waiting on that.

[Noth]

Xtrekker, on 15 July 2014 - 02:22 PM, said:

Perhaps he means the big line of BS that was advertised to boost Founders' sales. Still waiting on that.

Those weren't promised as part of the founders packages though.

[Sandpit]

An1m4l, on 11 June 2014 - 05:01 AM, said:

Part of the "Phoenix package" was house medallions that granted loyalty points.
If you collect money for something, with the promise that it will be part of the game, then you need to make good on that promise.

Welcome to PGI development

[Noth]

Sandpit, on 15 July 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

Welcome to PGI development

I don't know about you, but I have those medallions, so I got what I was promised.

[Sandpit]

Noth, on 15 July 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

I don't know about you, but I have those medallions, so I got what I was promised.

yea? what do they do?

I don't remember them being advertised as an aesthetic cockpit item. Can you show me where they said that when I paid for them?

[Xtrekker]

Also, http://mwomercs.com/...munity-warfare. 2.5 years. And...no proof this is being worked on, if I'm correct (please point me to relevant post if not). Maps have stopped, too. We're already down to 50% off sales for the overpriced goodies, timeline's all borked, and it's all fluff with no content. How much money has been collected while PGI pretends to be developing this title? Anyone who is willing to sit with their thumb up their ass and defend this kind of incompetence deserves their fate.

I still play, but I'm pissed at this missed opportunity for greatness. Food for thought, from Wiki:

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Vaporware is a term in the computer industry that describes a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is never actually released nor officially cancelled. Vaporware is also a term sometimes used to describe events that are announced or predicted, never officially cancelled, but never intended to happen. The term also generally applies to a product that is announced months or years before its release, and for which public development details are lacking. ... At times, vendors are criticized for intentionally producing vaporware in order to keep customers from switching to competitive products that offer more features.

Hmm...another competing title that was coming out at the same time as MWO...<cough>Hawken</cough>...

[Noth]

Sandpit, on 15 July 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

yea? what do they do?

I don't remember them being advertised as an aesthetic cockpit item. Can you show me where they said that when I paid for them?

They do nothing because loyalty points are worthless worthless right now. If you read the faq on the pheonix project (like a good consumer should), you'd see that the medallions are to generate loyalty points in CW. Without CW there is no loyalty points. If CW comes (with the proper module) and they don't generate extra loyalty points then I'll complain. Until then, I've gotten exactly what the Phoenix Package promised me.

[Devilsfury]

CW...coming Aug 2012, Oct 2012, March 2013, July 2013, Oct 2013, March 2014, wait....we never really started it because we didnt have the rights! CW by end of Summer 2014, errrr.....Oct 2014 we will have something small, Dec 2014 we will have another small thing. HEY GUYS, GREAT NEWS!! CW by summer 2015!! Yeah..you are 7 lies and 2 years late!! /rant off

[Noth]

Xtrekker, on 15 July 2014 - 02:43 PM, said:

Also, http://mwomercs.com/...munity-warfare. 2.5 years. And...no proof this is being worked on, if I'm correct (please point me to relevant post if not). Maps have stopped, too. We're already down to 50% off sales for the overpriced goodies, timeline's all borked, and it's all fluff with no content. How much money has been collected while PGI pretends to be developing this title? Anyone who is willing to sit with their thumb up their ass and defend this kind of incompetence deserves their fate.

Depends on the proof you want. Because there is proof of both new maps and CW being worked on in the latest dev vlog. Sales mean little as there are games that are doing extremely well that offer 50% off sales that can last months and then further weekly sales on top of those 50% off sales.

Also Hawken is such a drastically different game in gameplay, I wouldn't even call it a competitor. Also last I checked, Hawken is doing worse than MWO.

Edited by Noth, 15 July 2014 - 02:50 PM.

[Sandpit]

Noth, on 15 July 2014 - 02:45 PM, said:

They do nothing because loyalty points are worthless worthless right now.

thanks for agreeing with us.

that was the entire point. If you paid for something to be delivered (this is also completely discounting the fact that CW was supposed to be launched at a specific date when PP was put on sale so consumers, you know, the "good" ones you mentioned, bought it under that premise as well) and to accumulate a bonus for you, that's what it should do. Just because you're ok with not getting a bonus accumulation item you were promised and paid for a year ago doesn't mean some of the consumers (the ones that expect to get what they paid for on the delivery date it was announced for) aren't.

Noth, on 15 July 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

Depends on the proof you want. Because there is proof of both new maps and CW being worked on in the latest dev vlog. Sales mean little as there are games that are doing extremely well that offer 50% off sales that can last months and then further weekly sales on top of those 50% off sales.

Also Hawken is such a drastically different game in gameplay, I wouldn't even call it a competitor. Also last I checked, Hawken is doing worse than MWO.

uhm "proof" isn't "Yea, we're working on it" if that's the case then we had "proof" of CW 2 years ago

[Noth]

Sandpit, on 15 July 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

thanks for agreeing with us.

that was the entire point. If you paid for something to be delivered (this is also completely discounting the fact that CW was supposed to be launched at a specific date when PP was put on sale so consumers, you know, the "good" ones you mentioned, bought it under that premise as well) and to accumulate a bonus for you, that's what it should do. Just because you're ok with not getting a bonus accumulation item you were promised and paid for a year ago doesn't mean some of the consumers (the ones that expect to get what they paid for on the delivery date it was announced for) aren't.

I paid for something that in the future would give me extra loyalty points (as they didn't specify when it would be). Until that comes I really can't complain about not getting what I was promised. They met the delivery date for the medallions. There was no delivery date given for the CW that was required for the function of those medallions. The pack did not promise me CW, or anything like that. It promised something that would take effect when CW came around.

I'd like CW to be here, I hate that it has taken so long. Equating that to either not getting what was promised in the founders or phoenix package (when it was expressly explained in fact). Is just grasping at straws. There were legitimate not getting what was promised (see the special founders item in the phoenix package). Besides for all we know those medallions could be giving bonuses to the loyalty points already, but since the system is not in it is pointless.

Edited by Noth, 15 July 2014 - 02:58 PM.

[Kell Commander]

Noth, on 15 July 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

Those weren't promised as part of the founders packages though.

The quote below sums up very well what most people are referring to about not delivering what was promised:

Devilsfury, on 15 July 2014 - 02:48 PM, said:

CW...coming Aug 2012, Oct 2012, March 2013, July 2013, Oct 2013, March 2014, wait....we never really started it because we didnt have the rights! CW by end of Summer 2014, errrr.....Oct 2014 we will have something small, Dec 2014 we will have another small thing. HEY GUYS, GREAT NEWS!! CW by summer 2015!! Yeah..you are 7 lies and 2 years late!! /rant off

"Constantly delay" means something different from "delivering what was promised" to a lot of people.

[Noth]

Kell Commander, on 15 July 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

The quote below sums up very well what most people are referring to about not delivering what was promised:

"Constantly delay" means something different from "delivering what was promised" to a lot of people.

My quote was directly relating to the assumption that some people have that the founder promise included the CW which it never did. I'm frustrated that CW keeps getting delayed as well, I'm simply not equating it to the packages not giving what was promised though. I'm equating delay in CW to PGI either being very lazy, and lacking either the manpower or expertise to put it out.

[Xtrekker]

Noth, on 15 July 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

Depends on the proof you want. Because there is proof of both new maps and CW being worked on in the latest dev vlog. Sales mean little as there are games that are doing extremely well that offer 50% off sales that can last months and then further weekly sales on top of those 50% off sales.

Also Hawken is such a drastically different game in gameplay, I wouldn't even call it a competitor. Also last I checked, Hawken is doing worse than MWO.

If they had been offering sales like this early in development, I would have agreed. Continuing to increase incentives to purchase is indicative of something off, such as not meeting contractual revenue threshholds for a publisher. Just speculating, of course. Hopefully it just means they realized their pricing scheme was unrealistic to begin with.

Hawken was a large free-to-play "mecha" title that was most definitely competing with MWO for early branding.

[Noth]

Xtrekker, on 15 July 2014 - 03:05 PM, said:

If they had been offering sales like this early in development, I would have agreed. Continuing to increase incentives to purchase is indicative of something off, such as not meeting contractual revenue threshholds for a publisher. Just speculating, of course. Hopefully it just means they realized their pricing scheme was unrealistic to begin with.

Hawken was a large free-to-play "mecha" title that was most definitely competing with MWO for early branding.

Those really successful games that also have crazy sales didn't start off giving the great sales. outside of a sale on a starter box or something. Sales are not very indicative of how an online game is doing, unless it is some mass sale that falls on a non special time of the year (none of these sales have been mass sales).

Yes Hawken was at the start originally inline with competing with MWO, however after the release of both, they were so drastically different that they drew in almost completely different playerbases.

[Xtrekker]

Noth, on 15 July 2014 - 03:09 PM, said:

Those really successful games that also have crazy sales didn't start off giving the great sales. outside of a sale on a starter box or something. Sales are not very indicative of how an online game is doing, unless it is some mass sale that falls on a non special time of the year (none of these sales have been mass sales).

Sales drive interest to your product, drive interest away from a competing product, or increase revenue. To offer a sale indicates a need for such. Sales don't just happen because it's a "special day". Comparing it to other products is irrelevant to this basic purpose.

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Yes Hawken was at the start originally inline with competing with MWO, however after the release of both, they were so drastically different that they drew in almost completely different playerbases.

I can't tell if you are making a point in favor or against my statement. I think you just confirmed exactly what I said.