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[Hawkeye 72]

Cmdr Rad, on 13 July 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

No problem brah. I made my point just fine, any further pursuit is needless at this point. Keep on rocking those stats!

Appreciated!

[Sporkosophy]

Hawkeye 72, on 13 July 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

When a member of yours requested the unit be included in the stats, I went to your website. Most of the domain areas were restricted for nonregistered users, and nonregistered users are not allowed to post on your forums. I was unable to find any unit roster that was available to non-members, and I have a policy of not personally asking unit commanders for their unit size to avoid being a pest/solicitor.

I don't register on unit sites either, because there are so many and I don't need to wade through that many confirmation emails.

Therefore, I took the member count of the forum and used it instead. I only included your unit because someone asked me to, and if I had known you guys would throw this big a stink about it, I would never have done so.

Next time I update, I will be sure to leave you guys out to avoid further complaints.

Doesn't fix the problem there Star Fox. The thing is the member count of the forum? 103. Not what your big fancy poorly done picture says. You bungled something, if only you'd just accept it and admit it, but noooo you have the play the victim card.

Try again.

[Astaroth]

*sigh*

Somebody please make it stop. This is utterly ridiculous.

[ForceUser]

Oooh here's a though, ask in our recruitment thread? That'd take even LESS than 1min30sec and best of all, no registration needed, no need to contact anyone, heck almost no effort from your side in any way whatsoever. I'm sure you'd appreciate that

But that aside, you do now have the accurate count (67 actually since we just got another new member yey!) So NOT adding us would kinda stink of spite now wouldn't it

And that's just not nice

[Hawkeye 72]

ForceUser, on 13 July 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

And that's just not nice

Well in that case I will keep you on.

[Hylius]

Hawkeye 72, on 13 July 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

When a member of yours requested the unit be included in the stats, I went to your website. Most of the domain areas were restricted for nonregistered users, and nonregistered users are not allowed to post on your forums. I was unable to find any unit roster that was available to non-members, and I have a policy of not personally asking unit commanders for their unit size to avoid being a pest/solicitor.

I don't register on unit sites either, because there are so many and I don't need to wade through that many confirmation emails.

Therefore, I took the member count of the forum and used it instead. I only included your unit because someone asked me to, and if I had known you guys would throw this big a stink about it, I would never have done so.

Next time I update, I will be sure to leave you guys out to avoid further complaints.

This is the stupidest thing for multiple reasons. Let me count the ways....

1) Asking for unit information. Uh... what? If someone asks me about my unit, I'm going to respond. "Hey I want to include your unit on a survey and was wondering how big is it?" "Oh I'd be happy to tell you. Right now we're at 67 members. What kind of survey?" "Oh just making a graph that shows the distribution of members." "Oh cool. Hey do you need a bit of help? Oh you're including unit icons, hey do you want me to give you a clean one? What file format do you prefer?"
^ Best secret way to get information ever. If a CO doesn't want to talk about their unit, they're not doing a good job. It's free advertisement, and it's a painless PM/post in the recruitment thread. Ask first is the best method. If they don't respond, THEN you can "estimate" (or leave them as unknown, as if they don't want to share then it's justifiable to leave them out at that point). If anything it gives you more rep too because you get to be known by all the units as "that stats guy" and get a working relationship with all the corps. Seriously, anyone who wants to know anything about the ELP, from member count to policies, needs merely PM me. As leader it's my job to handle that stuff.

2) I don't give a wooden nickle about our stats, it's more it appears the entire system is incorrect (I mean, really, if truly were butthurt about our numbers, wouldn't we be happy to have it thought we have more members than we really do?). I don't even know where you got 109 from, we only have 103 people registered on the site. From what I've heard member counts on the others are incorrect too. Your system is flawed, and notifying you of this is the only proper response. You should look into other methods of collecting numbers on mercenary units. I suggest using the method I said in #1.

3) Attempts to prove your system is right and then saying you're going to intentionally leave a group off? Hmm... letting personal bias affect your numbers... yes! You're now a professional statistics guy, just like in real companies. Keep up the good work!

[chomeop]

Intradasting!

[ForceUser]

chomeop, on 13 July 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

Intradasting!

Nods sagely.

Indeed my wise friend, that it is... perhaps even more!

oh yes...

[Ryunkasa]

I appreciate the data. Makes me feel like there is hope.

[zencynic]

Sporkosophy, on 13 July 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

An estimation that is wrong by 100% of the actual value isn't a very meaningful estimate. Also, enough of the truthiness nonsense before it gets started. It's useful in a comedic aspect, but embracing it as a justification for blatantly false information is part of the problem it was created to stand in opposition too. All I'm saying is if he can't open a SINGLE webpage, he's not putting any effort into acquiring those numbers.

I don't recall where Hawkeye said his estimates were "very meaningful".

Ad hominem attacks are common in forums, but rarely seem persuasive to me.

As far as "this truthiness nonsense", the OP started this thread as a 'tongue in cheek' anti-comstar report. That's fairly comedic in my opinion.

Hawkeye obviously can open a SINGLE webpage, easily shown by his many posts here. If I understand things correctly, what you are angry about is that he did not take the time and effort to join every single Merc Corp website to get more up to date info on those organizations. I honestly don't understand your strong negative reaction to someone saying, "Hey, I looked around some. Here is what I saw."

**** to Hawkeye - Maybe start a thread where Merc Corp officers can post numbers for their organizations for you. Hopefully a public post with a pilot's name attached to it is enough to get/verify reasonably accurate numbers

**** to all the Merc Corps out there. If you are unhappy with the stated (or unstated) numbers for your organization, maybe PM Hawkeye and/or update your recruiting thread

[Hawkeye 72]

zencynic, on 13 July 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

**** to Hawkeye - Maybe start a thread where Merc Corp officers can post numbers for their organizations for you. Hopefully a public post with a pilot's name attached to it is enough to get/verify reasonably accurate numbers

Thought of this long time ago

http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

[Cllyde]

I just did the math on the dollar amount worth of founders packs have been sold according to your statistics...

9,323 Legendary @ $120.00 = $1,118,760.00
5,941 Elite @ $60.00 = $356,460.00
745 Veteran @ $30.00 = $22,350.00

For a grand total of $1,497,570.00

To me, that is staggering, but I really have no idea how much the publishers have put into the game themselves already.

[Kyle Lewis]

How about the decrease in user posts since the opening of the second round of beta...you know to see who suddenly doesnt post anymore Or as much....lol

[Jubub]

Good info, thanks

[Vosgedzam]

Kyle Lewis, on 13 July 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

How about the decrease in user posts since the opening of the second round of beta...you know to see who suddenly doesnt post anymore Or as much....lol

[Sporkosophy]

zencynic, on 13 July 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

I don't recall where Hawkeye said his estimates were "very meaningful".

Ad hominem attacks are common in forums, but rarely seem persuasive to me.

As far as "this truthiness nonsense", the OP started this thread as a 'tongue in cheek' anti-comstar report. That's fairly comedic in my opinion.

Hawkeye obviously can open a SINGLE webpage, easily shown by his many posts here. If I understand things correctly, what you are angry about is that he did not take the time and effort to join every single Merc Corp website to get more up to date info on those organizations. I honestly don't understand your strong negative reaction to someone saying, "Hey, I looked around some. Here is what I saw."

Posting something is in part some expectation that it will have meaning. Additionally, why do you necessarily assume I'm angry? Oh, that's right, to undermine the issues I've brought up; perhaps you should try and argue purely logically as well. Putting work into something creates an expectation of accuracy, which as has been noted, is lacking.

If you'd read my prior posts you'd realize all of this, of course.

[Skadi]

*see's everyone fighting with each other over E-stats*

[Vosgedzam]

This thread confirms there are some crybabies out there that will cry over a few meaningless numbers. Glad I don't waste my Friday night like some of them.

[Silent]

zencynic, on 13 July 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

**** to Hawkeye - Maybe start a thread where Merc Corp officers can post numbers for their organizations for you. Hopefully a public post with a pilot's name attached to it is enough to get/verify reasonably accurate numbers

I've been observing Hawkeye's updates since he started and he's always made it known that if you want your unit on the list, or your numbers updated, to get in contact with him. So, that's what we did and our numbers are accurate.

[Grey Weasel]

Cllyde, on 13 July 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

For a grand total of $1,497,570.00

To me, that is staggering, but I really have no idea how much the publishers have put into the game themselves already.

Usually just enough to barely squeak into a playable product assuming no surprises. Personally, I got no problem shilling this game out to friends to get them into Founders and keep get the game financed properly.