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[Brakkar]

Replace the gpu with gtx760/770 or amd 270x/280x and you should be fine.
Not so long ago I had a following rig:
3570k 4.2 ghz
Gtx660 sli
8gb 1600mhz ram
And everything was running at very high settings with 60 fps.
I would try looking at the web, some auction sites etc because there might be some nice offers, people changing cpu's to new intel Devil's Canyon. My friend grabbed a nice 3770k from ebay not so long ago.

[tworivers]

This build is for under 1k
VGA XFX|R9-280A
CPU AMD|6-CORE FX-6350 3.9G 8M
MB ASROCK|970 EXTREME4 AM3+ 970 R

Your choice of towers and HD although I use a 450 GB SSD

[Brakkar]

Amd gpu - yes, amd cpu - no way.

[GroovYChickeN]

I run all highs and I have a core i7 930 oc'd to 4ghz 6gigs or ram and a r9 290x. Just get a new GPU. No need for a new system.

[tworivers]

Another well trained puppy from intel

Brakkar, on 15 June 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

Amd gpu - yes, amd cpu - no way.

[Catamount]

If being a well-trained puppy means actually getting a treat, like good performance, that seems like a reasonable tradeoff.

I can't argue with the 280 as a GPU though. AMD basically seems to have most price points cornered right now.

Edited by Catamount, 15 June 2014 - 06:04 PM.

[Buckminster]

What monitor and resolution are you using? What else do you have running? Are you trying to run dual monitors?

I run MWO on an i5-2500 with 8G of ram, and a 550 Ti, and I get medium settings with no problems, I want to say 30-40 fps. I don't know exact numbers off hand, but the game is very playable and doesn't stutter. So while your rig isn't stellar, my 2 year old machine (with an even older video card) is still doing fine.

Although "fine" is at native resolution on my 22" monitor. I'm not running some fancy setup, with multiple monitors or anything like that.

[Wraith Wilde]

LOL I was actually running this game fine on a Celeron processor, high settings and around 60fps... CPU doesn't come into play too much in this game.... arma 3 however is a different story

[Catamount]

This game is CPU bound on stock-clocked current-gen i5s and i7s. Review sites that have attempted to measure GPU differences have required OCed high-end CPUs just to see differences between GPUs. Most people here also fail to get minimums anywhere near 60fps without OCing even higher-end CPUs. My 3570k starts getting there at around the 4ghz mark.

CPU performance comes into this game enormously. Anyone can look at a nearly empty part of a map, with nothing around them going on, and go "look, my FPS are getting into the 60s, I'm getting 60fps", but minimums are a different story. Framerate suffers enormously, in intense combat, without a very, very powerful CPU. My Phenom II X4 965 got into the 30s even before 12 mans.

Edited by Catamount, 15 June 2014 - 06:35 PM.

[theborgeffect]

I was running a GTX-690. Way overkill for most of my gaming. I had to let it go to pay for part of my MBA.

What I fun right now.

Intel I7-3930K- 6 Core
32G Ram
EVO 500G SSD
Asus WS X79 MB- I use a ton of Cisco equipment the serial port is needed. Also , on release it had the most PCI lanes of any X79 board.

My temporary video card is : GTX 750TI. I get over 60 frames per second with a refresh rate of 144 hz.

[DieGruneMorder]

I disagree with the general consensus on this thread, as a matter of fact you should have enough power to run MWO on high settings at the very least. I know because i have a very similar rig with the same graphics card and it does just that. The problem could be drivers, or simply inadequeate cooling capability. Think outside the box.

[xeromynd]

Catamount, on 15 June 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

You are correct. There is absolutely no detriment to performance from running anything of that speed in a PCIE 2.0 slot. I'm not sure any card can saturate the PCIE 2.0 bus right now, but even if there are such cards, the 760 or 770 should not have problems.


As for your CPU, yeah it's dated, but just overclock the damn thing. It'll be good enough for now. If your cooling isn't great, just get a Hyper212 Evo for like $30.

Cooling equipment is good (H100i), but my temps are higher than I'd currently like (about 41°C)). Have to examine the air path in my case (Corsair 650D) and test out a few things first. That's a different issue in itself.

Ended up ordering a GTX 760 4GB card to replace my 550 Ti, also got two new monitors to replace my current aging two, to fully take advantage of the card. Thanks for the advice everyone.

Edited by xeromynd, 15 June 2014 - 09:57 PM.

[Catamount]

DieGruneMorder, on 15 June 2014 - 06:58 PM, said:

I disagree with the general consensus on this thread, as a matter of fact you should have enough power to run MWO on high settings at the very least. I know because i have a very similar rig with the same graphics card and it does just that. The problem could be drivers, or simply inadequeate cooling capability. Think outside the box.

It depends on one's standards, but consensus exists for a reason. A great many of us have played this game for a very long time, on many hardware setups, and know how it behaves very well, and even every possible way to modify that behavior. The problem is that no matter how much one wants to "think outside the box", math is math. There is a minimum to run the game, at high settings, at 1080P, at or near 60fps minimums, and that minimum is way higher than a 550TI.

[Catamount]

xeromynd, on 15 June 2014 - 09:32 PM, said:

Cooling equipment is good (H100i), but my temps are higher than I'd currently like (about 41°C)). Have to examine the air path in my case (Corsair 650D) and test out a few things first. That's a different issue in itself.

Ended up ordering a GTX 760 4GB card to replace my 550 Ti, also got two new monitors to replace my current aging two, to fully take advantage of the card. Thanks for the advice everyone.

It's a good card; I think you'll be happy with it.

I agree that 41C is just too hot for a stock clocked 960 on an H100i. I'm not sure case flow would be the problem though. Even if you had stagnant air in just the right spot to stick a hot pocket over the CPU or something, the cooler is mounted like an intake or exhaust fan, and should be relatively unaffected.

Maybe the radiator is dusty, or the thermal paste is drying up? That radiator does take well to push/pull too, but I can't imagine it wouldn't be doing enough to beat those temps just as is, especially if Corsair stuck to those stock jet engine fans from the original H100. They may be audible from six miles away, but they move some serious air, way more than even the Cougar V12Hs I replaced them with, it seems to me (again, push/pull made up the difference).

Edited by Catamount, 16 June 2014 - 02:12 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Wraith Wilde, on 15 June 2014 - 06:27 PM, said:

CPU doesn't come into play too much in this game....

Yeah no. Pretty much all cryengine games are very cpu intensive.

[Alreech]

DAYLEET, on 15 June 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

My cpu is an i7 860 which is slightly worse than his but i have a R9 280X and i only go down to 49 when the world end like multiple arty, getting hit by lrm,balistic,lasers all at once, usualy im in high sixties and seventies while brawling.

Your CPU is a native Quad Core, xeromynd's CPU is a Dual Core with Hyperthreading.
(edit: OOPs, checked the CPU again, it's also a native Quadcore ).

MWO likes his Quad Core CPU native, and it likes them fast - preferable with a good CPU Boost if not all Cores are utilized equally.
And online MWO uses cores 1, 2 & 3 up to 60%, while core 4 runs between 60 - 90%.

@xeromynd
The GTX 550 ti isn't helpful either.
In the only extensive MWO I ever found it achives 20 fps min and 24 fps avarage. CPU was a I7 3930k @ 4,8 Ghz...
http://gamegpu.ru/mm...e-test-gpu.html

The GFX-Card on top of the Chart was a AMD 7970 Ghz Edition.
This Card was renamed to AMD R9 280x
The 7950 was renamed to R9 280. it has the same memory interface (384 bit) and RAM (3GB) but fewer shaders and slower clocks. Sucks also a lot fewer power from the PSU.

The 7870 and 7850 have been renamed to R9 270x and R9 265. Both have the same memory interface (256 bit) and RAM (2Gb).
Recently I have upgraded from a AMD 5830 to a R9 280, mainly because Battlefield 4. In BF4 it get a huge improvment (thx to Mantel), MWO is still bottlenecked by my CPU.
It's a Phenom II X4 BE 965 running at 3,4 Ghz, and my minimum fps are around 30...

Edited by Alreech, 16 June 2014 - 02:45 AM.

[xeromynd]

Catamount, on 16 June 2014 - 02:05 AM, said:

It's a good card; I think you'll be happy with it.

I agree that 41C is just too hot for a stock clocked 960 on an H100i. I'm not sure case flow would be the problem though. Even if you had stagnant air in just the right spot to stick a hot pocket over the CPU or something, the cooler is mounted like an intake or exhaust fan, and should be relatively unaffected.

Maybe the radiator is dusty, or the thermal paste is drying up? That radiator does take well to push/pull too, but I can't imagine it wouldn't be doing enough to beat those temps just as is, especially if Corsair stuck to those stock jet engine fans from the original H100. They may be audible from six miles away, but they move some serious air, way more than even the Cougar V12Hs I replaced them with, it seems to me (again, push/pull made up the difference).

Yeah, thinking about reapplying the paste to see if that helps. I believe the fans are the same as the H100, definitely move a LOT of air. Might do push/pull if it can fit in my case and not block too many things

[Koniks]

Catamount, on 15 June 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

This game is CPU bound on stock-clocked current-gen i5s and i7s. Review sites that have attempted to measure GPU differences have required OCed high-end CPUs just to see differences between GPUs. Most people here also fail to get minimums anywhere near 60fps without OCing even higher-end CPUs. My 3570k starts getting there at around the 4ghz mark.

CPU performance comes into this game enormously. Anyone can look at a nearly empty part of a map, with nothing around them going on, and go "look, my FPS are getting into the 60s, I'm getting 60fps", but minimums are a different story. Framerate suffers enormously, in intense combat, without a very, very powerful CPU. My Phenom II X4 965 got into the 30s even before 12 mans.

The problem seems to be with how Intel's Turbo Boost automatically manages overclocking and power consumption. Setting the CPU max processor state at 99% or 98% and minimum processor state at 5% seems to prevent the issue.

AMDs have a different problem with managing hyperthreading and shared resources on its cores.

Edited by Mizeur, 16 June 2014 - 07:32 AM.

[ninjitsu]

Mizeur, on 16 June 2014 - 07:31 AM, said:

The problem seems to be with how Intel's Turbo Boost automatically manages overclocking and power consumption. Setting the CPU max processor state at 99% or 98% and minimum processor state at 5% seems to prevent the issue.

AMDs have a different problem with managing hyperthreading and shared resources on its cores.

AMD CPU's don't have hyperthreading.

[Catamount]

Indeed. AMD CPUs get nuked because of the shared FPU across modules, especially on sub FX8xxx chips which have less than four FPUs total.

Edited by Catamount, 16 June 2014 - 08:32 AM.