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[mongo2006]

History:
US Army 7th Special Forces 1st SOCOM
7 year on a A team, communications, sniper, demo, cross trained.
11 tours.. so far.

I started playing Mechwarrior when it left the board and went to PC and have played every sense. I started a clan call The Dragons Of Draconis in 1990, many clans spawned off DOD and went to Tribes, Warcraft, Planetside, and many more. Many may know of a multigaming clan I designed by the name of Draconis Combine.

I'm retired now.. I can do what I want, when I want, and get anything I want. Needless to say I have the Masakari.. I've spent more on lunch.

I've been a feared and elite player on every game I've played over the last 20 years of gaming.

Ok that's enough of the history and background, now lets get to my point.



PUG

Every game I play in I either hear on TS, see in text someone called a pug.. They're not talking about a (pick up group) they use it as a derogatory term for anyone outside their group. It's used with such contempt that being a pug equates to:

• Unskilled
  
• Stupid
  
• Useless
  
• Untrusted
  
• To Be Used As Cannon Fodder

I've seen the ones calling people pugs walk into kill zones the pugs put in place, I've had my ass handed to me by a so called pug, I've seen people in clans, on TS get rolled by so called pugs. Now for the more intelligent players, we have come to the conclusion that so called pugs are people, some of them are so good they don't feel the need to have have a team on TS. They are used to paying alone, so when they crap hits the fan they are well prepared to react and survive. While those that play on teams fall apart if a designated player fails to cover his role.. Hmmm food for thought.


Maybe that so called pug is a self contained death squad waiting for you and your team to enter a kill zone, Maybe that pug has 14 years of advanced military tactics like:

• Bait And Bleed
  
• Counter-offensive
  
• Denial
  
• Human wave attack
  
• Swarming
  
• Turning maneuver
  
• Interior lines
  
• Distraction
  
• Blitzkrieg - The only one most non-pugs even know the name of, but don't know how lol.
  
• Feint
  
• Counter Value - Basically it's the same as when we attack and hold the enemies base to win.

There are hundreds of tactics that can be used in Mechwarrior but how many do you know? I know some so called pugs that know more than I do.



Psyche

When you think of a person to be less than you, you have just committed one of the cardinal sins of Sun Tzu.. look it up non-pugs. It opens you up to surprise, either through lack of skill, stupidity, and basically makes you a useless part of the team.. funny that's the description of a pug.. hmmm.

Oh and when I'm being called a pug I seem to be more determined and focused to kick some ass. I make sure I bring my (A) game. So without even knowing it the name caller has just made his survival harder :>}


Conclusion

The purpose for this rant is not to divide or single out a person nor group, It's a plea for well deserved mutual respect for all gamers. No-matter if you're a clanner, new to the game, solo killer who wouldn't think of joining a clan because of BS politics or some other drawback to groups of people. We All Deserve To Be Respected. I invite all players to STOP calling people pugs as that word has taken on a life of it's own, and emotion that is unreasonable.

Whats funny is all the clans are trying like hell to recruit these stupid, unskilled, worthless players to swell the ranks.. now that to me is stupid, so instead of recruiting tried and tested recruits with positive kill ratios...


Freeman AKA (Free Man)


Lets change the term used for pugs to freeman, because that's what they are. Free to be recuited, Free to choose their faction, Free to kick your ass if they can..

With that said I need another cup of coffee.. but think about it, let me know what ya think about the thread, and please excuse the errors, grammar, I'm not even going to proof read it because it was just a flow of thoughts to be interpreted by the reader.. watch your 6.

Edited by mongo2006, 16 June 2014 - 10:43 AM.

[Corbenik]

You know what they say "Cornered Animals are more Vicious" and when you are alone in a team that seems to not want you, you do whatever it takes to survive, unless you are the type that tries to Rambo and be the first to die at the start of a Match.

@ also I would like to be called a Freeman too i'll want a Crowbar inside my cockpit as well

Edited by Corbenik, 16 June 2014 - 10:56 AM.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

The first two posts of this thread sums up the Failwarrior community nicely.

edit: I was a bit too vague and rustled some jimmies (sorry I'm not sorry!). The first two posts are a great write up about how the community treats pugs, and how they should actually be treated instead of Failwarrior's "L2P scrub" mentality.

Edited by lockwoodx, 16 June 2014 - 07:15 PM.

[darkkterror]

Everyone should just take a moment to think of the pugs!

Edited by darkkterror, 16 June 2014 - 11:10 AM.

[Felbombling]

Experience leads to success. I felt very comfortable in the game during Closed Beta, but stopped playing regularly when the game went Open Beta. Playing on the weekend was sometimes rough, other times frustrating but certainly fun. Sure, I did some stupid stuff and got my head handed to me, but it was unfamiliarity with the new maps more than anything. Can't say anyone called me a noob or PuG yesterday, but if they were spectating, they were probably thinking it at the time. It's all good. I have never quite understood the mentality of one person calling another person names in chat, but I guess it comes down to someone being frustrated with their own performance backseat driving for a player still alive and kicking in game. No big deal in the grand scheme of things.

[Serpieri]

I remember when PuG meant - Pick up Group - goto love the internet eh?

[Black Arachne]

darkkterror, on 16 June 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Everyone should just take a moment of think of the pugs!

So cute...I want to adopt a PUG !!!!

Distraction Over...

I mostly Pug as well - because I'm sick of listening to adolescent boys.

[Screech]

Good post.

Though too much of a Herbert nerd to be able to use the Free Man term without thinking Fremen. Can't have my sci-fi worlds collide.

[NextGame]

mongo2006, on 16 June 2014 - 10:40 AM, said:

stuff

My favourite "pugs" are the ones who come on the forum and blame "premades" amongst other things for their own limitations. Let us know how that fits in with your ethos.

[Lynx7725]

Shrug, I usually go into PUGs assuming the other side's as bright or brighter than I am. It keeps me on my toes. I can always judge later after the game, making assumptions either way before the game is just asking for trouble.

If you want respect as a gamer/ player/ mechwarrior, you gotta give some to begin with. Both sides will do their darn best to win in a game, but that doesn't mean we can't be civil or polite about things.

[Serpieri]

I also remember when people had to communicate using the written word in games or youtube videos with strats - now that was real gaming.

[Lily from animove]

Pug mind? when a light appears:

http://youtu.be/H4BNbHBcnDI?t=57s

Edited by Lily from animove, 16 June 2014 - 11:21 AM.

[CG Chicken Kn]

Well said. While having no real world experience, I have a significant amount of both organised gameplay and solo dropping in a wide variety of games. It has been my experience that the more name calling someone does, the worse of a team player they really are. Conversely, the more helpful someone is, the better they are, in general.

Every time I see my team in a solo drop run off and make horrible tactical mistakes, I chant to myself over and over "They are just playing and having fun. They are just playing and having fun"

I make an effort to be where I can help the most, Occasionally resulting in disastrous fail. Usually I am moving too fast to do much typing in chat to suggest what I think are good ideas.

Meh. It's the internet. Just try to have fun. And please shoot the lance I dragged back to the team in my light. Or the blob I UAV'd. All those enemies lit up for a reason..

Edited by CG Chicken Kn, 16 June 2014 - 11:23 AM.

[BARBAR0SSA]

NextGame, on 16 June 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

My favourite "pugs" are the ones who come on the forum and blame "premades" amongst other things for their own limitations. Let us know how that fits in with your ethos.

Yeah I'm not sure why everyone hates premades, more than likely they are some socially awkward people that have found a common ground, and place where they fit in, which just happens to be MWO. Oh no my team lost and it has done...absolutely nothing...to anything and makes no difference in any way shape or form. Plus you can really enjoy it when you beat them

Edited by shad0w4life, 16 June 2014 - 11:25 AM.

[Nyte Kitsune]

Well spoken. I agree in MWO its used to pretty much say "These other guys suck!" Sadly it does tend to be the case about 75% of the time, not so much that they suck, but that they think of themselves as "Rambo", a 1 person army. Sadly many players forget that MWO is a TEAM game and choose to run off on their own and die quickly then complain that it was everyone else's fault on the team that they were killed first.

Other times people flock together into one big kill zone and stand around waiting for the other team to come to them, usually making themselves a perfect target for artillery and airstikes.

My personal favorite (Sarcasm), is when the entire team decides to rush the enemy base in an attempt to cap it for a quick win getting chewed up by not only the turrets, but by the other team as well usually resulting in 2 lances being destroyed before the cap is made, with the 3rd lance (Usually the bigger slower mechs) having been destroyed while the remaining 2 made their "Mad Dash" to the base.

As for TS, it does help on occasion to help co-ordinate attacks, yet I have been on teams where "Freemen" as you prefer, have worked well with my lance by "following our lead", unfortunately sometimes that backfires because fairly often people see a premade lance and think "Hey, these guys are a premade, lets follow them" instead of thinking about trying to instead head in the opposite direction to flank or engage the enemy (Which is usually what my lances plan is while the remaining 2 lances draw the other teams attention).

Edited by Sstaan, 16 June 2014 - 11:28 AM.

[Lily from animove]

NextGame, on 16 June 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

My favourite "pugs" are the ones who come on the forum and blame "premades" amongst other things for their own limitations. Let us know how that fits in with your ethos.

own limitations? There are REAL limitations, like optimized group loadouts, VOIP which brings a lot of reduced reaction time and coordination. That is actually by the setup imbalancing a game, meanign its not unable to win, but making it a lot more unlikely.

[FupDup]

[meteorol]

The whole PUG vs. Premade argument really shows how immature this community is while being so great at pointing a finger towards the "CoD kids". "PUGs" (whatever that acutally is, the term went far away from its original meaning) cry out because they are allegedly stomped by Premades, Premades are crying all day long because "the PUGs on their team are the worst ever, they make them lose every match".

The one thing both sides have in common is that noone is responsible for his own fails. Never. The most amusing thing about this is that there is no way to actually tell who is really premade and who is PUG, other than making guesses based on mechs, lance order and faction.

"It's never my fault" really seems to be the only thing this community can wholeheartedly agree upon.

[mogs01gt]

Lily from animove, on 16 June 2014 - 11:28 AM, said:

own limitations? There are REAL limitations, like optimized group loadouts, VOIP which brings a lot of reduced reaction time and coordination. That is actually by the setup imbalancing a game, meanign its not unable to win, but making it a lot more unlikely.

which is why premades should face each other. Most games already do this.

[Dano_man]

I usually run in a "premade", why because the object for me is to have fun and when you are on TS and can rib each other as well as work together that is why I am here. We try to work with the other mechs on the team, but for me it's damn difficult to try and type a message as well as run your mech and shot. If your chat box is open, your controls don't work on a keyboard. If you are using a mouse and joystick, I don't have that third hand to type. So we work together on TS with our premade and try to make decisions to help our other team mates out.