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[Theycallmetheworkingman]

OP, instead of being a bitter guy whining over this, why don't you email support asking for a refund, and explain how you mistakenly thought you would be able to purchase clan mechs with MC. Pretty certain that they would be willing to accommodate you since you haven't used the MC and you plan to give them money for their crap product anyways.

[Pale Jackal]

Dymlos2003, on 18 June 2014 - 05:59 PM, said:

So you didn't read and made a stupid mistake. Don't blame someone else for your own stupidity.

He was being sarcastic. Clearly the Founder's buyers were never warned that they might have to wait up to 5 months to spend their MC on 'mechs.

Edited by Pale Jackal, 18 June 2014 - 06:27 PM.

[Mystere]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

exactly, it is a scam to devalue your already spent money

Do you even know what a scam is? If so, and you really believe this is an example of one, then you should be talking to someone else, and not going to the forums.

[Azalie]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 06:19 PM, said:

the latest stuff (clan stuff) still is off that list

Real dollars converted to MC still have less value than those identical, same valued real dollars that have not been spent on MC

No because you cannot buy most of what I listed with real money. You have to use MC for them. And much like the Hero Mechs of today....who wants to bet you'll need that MC to buy a Timberwolf Hero whenever they make one. MC are like gift cards to MWO....and most stores that offer gift cards have one or two things you cannot buy with them.

[Dracol]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

Forgive if I'm late to the QQ party here, but when I bought MC, I expected it to not be ******** worthless.

Do they really think people want to spend another $55+ when the $60 or more they already spent is deemed worthless?

Much wow. So bad.


edit: to be more specific - you can buy MC for real-dollars, but still not buy in-game items with it. This type of sale is a ploy to get those who already purchased MC for real-dollars to spend more money to get their clan nostalgia. When I bought founders, I never saw a warning that my real-dollars would be useless at purchasing in-game content until months after its release. Psshh, the MC purchase page should have a bright, yellow/red warning telling you that MC cannot be used to buy new mechs.

You bought MC at a discount, didn't you?

You assumed back then that clans would be available for MC?

You had not considered they would follow the same release and buying schedule as the phoenix mechs?

.... it will be sometime before MC bought on sale can be used to by clan mechs.

Edited by Dracol, 18 June 2014 - 06:36 PM.

[Felbombling]

Abrahms... first, welcome back. Second, pre-order Mechs to get access to them early. I know you haven't been around for awhile. Think of your recent Mech Credit purchase as future colours, camo patterns or premium time. Money not wasted... just set aside for a rainy day.

[Nyden]

You've received everything you were promised for the founders pack. You were never promised immediate access to all future content, nor were you promised that ALL future content would be purchasable with MC. IN fact, all in game content, to date, can be acquired using MC. As you are now aware the clan mechs will also, eventually, be available for MC.

That being said, as someone who has regretted giving PGI money for his founders and phoenix packs, it is a bit of a shady business practice, but it's one they learned from the success of the founders pack and then the phoenix pack. I believe these pre sales have become their primary source of income.

In truth, your just late to the party. Had you started this thread in September or October, around "launch", this thread might have gone 30 pages of people agreeing with you, but so far this clan pack (and balancing clans) is working surprisingly well. Better than just about any major change PGI has made since beta. So things are kinda looking up, sad as that is. Most of the hard core "PGI are crooks" crowd are long gone and the disenchanted founders that remain are trying to look on the bright side, atm, so your getting alot of flack.

You weren't lied to. And while PGI could offer clan packs for MC, they then wouldn't be able to get you to spend any more money. After all, you've already shown that your willing to pay cash for early access, your the target demo.

[Madw0lf]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 05:51 PM, said:

MC is MC. There was never a warning that real-dollar purchases of MC would be less valuable and not usable for new mechs.

It will be perfectly useable, in a few months. Im pretty sure theres no where to be said that they wouldnt offer cash only early access packages. And they made it quite clear with both what was going on. Youre own fault, NOT PGIs. Youre MC is not worthless just because you cant use it exactly the way you wanted to, when you wanted to. ESPECIALLY when the public release schedule for the Clan Mechs has been pinned in the announcements forum for, what, 2-3 MONTHS now? And youre upset about this MC you bought last week? It takes willful ignorance to be in this position.

[Abrahms]

Mystere, on 18 June 2014 - 06:31 PM, said:

Do you even know what a scam is? If so, and you really believe this is an example of one, then you should be talking to someone else, and not going to the forums.

I was hoping the exaggeration would be clear - though not truly a "scam" per se it is still very misleading and not in good faith.

They know that they can screw you over here due to common consumer expectations. From day one, PGI has been a hype machine that rarely, if ever, delivers. When they do, it is months after suggested release dates. I am not shocked that my real dollar purchase is less valuable than if I had not bought MC, but still very disappointed that they would stoop that low.

But hey, my normal motto is to stay 10 miles away from all free to play games. My love for the franchise perked my interest, and they knew the fan base was there to sell the hype to.

[Naduk]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 06:19 PM, said:

the latest stuff (clan stuff) still is off that list

Real dollars converted to MC still have less value than those identical, same valued real dollars that have not been spent on MC

the value does NOT depreciate just because you cannot have your toys RIGHT NOW
it has been public knowledge for months

you can use your MC on the clan mechs as they are released to the general public
if you wanted to pre-order them you can do so out of game like everybody else
if you want to use your in game MC you must wait until what you want to buy is available ..... IN GAME !

you can look here http://mwomercs.com/...elease-schedule
and see exactly when the mech(s) you want will be out

a pre-order is exactly not an old idea
people using the clan mechs right now have pre-ordered
it is NO different to you gaining access to the closed beta while everyone else who did not founder had to wait (unless they got lucky invites)

stop making noise for the sake of making noise

[Abrahms]

Nyden, on 18 June 2014 - 06:49 PM, said:

You've received everything you were promised for the founders pack. You were never promised immediate access to all future content, nor were you promised that ALL future content would be purchasable with MC. IN fact, all in game content, to date, can be acquired using MC. As you are now aware the clan mechs will also, eventually, be available for MC.

That being said, as someone who has regretted giving PGI money for his founders and phoenix packs, it is a bit of a shady business practice, but it's one they learned from the success of the founders pack and then the phoenix pack. I believe these pre sales have become their primary source of income.

In truth, your just late to the party. Had you started this thread in September or October, around "launch", this thread might have gone 30 pages of people agreeing with you, but so far this clan pack (and balancing clans) is working surprisingly well. Better than just about any major change PGI has made since beta. So things are kinda looking up, sad as that is. Most of the hard core "PGI are crooks" crowd are long gone and the disenchanted founders that remain are trying to look on the bright side, atm, so your getting alot of flack.

You weren't lied to. And while PGI could offer clan packs for MC, they then wouldn't be able to get you to spend any more money. After all, you've already shown that your willing to pay cash for early access, your the target demo.

I came back and installed 53 patches in the hopes that the game had gone somewhere better (since it was still breathing).

It is still a $15 indie game begging for sales of $500 gold mech packs. They made many lofty promises when the game was in early beta (founder sale period), most of which have been broken. Pay 2 win, 3rd person view, etc....

I just skimmed the clan weapon stats and 9/10 times, the clan version is better than the IS version. Technically, that is "pay2win" to some degree but the game already went that route, even prior to when I quit.

I guess I'll have to wait 3 months to stomp around in a Timberwolf prior to uninstalling... already sent a ticket though for a refund. We'll see. Either way, the game is a deformed monstrosity if you look at it as a player who's been around for a very long time.

Naduk, on 18 June 2014 - 06:56 PM, said:

the value does NOT depreciate just because you cannot have your toys RIGHT NOW
it has been public knowledge for months

you can use your MC on the clan mechs as they are released to the general public
if you wanted to pre-order them you can do so out of game like everybody else
if you want to use your in game MC you must wait until what you want to buy is available ..... IN GAME !

you can look here http://mwomercs.com/...elease-schedule
and see exactly when the mech(s) you want will be out

a pre-order is exactly not an old idea
people using the clan mechs right now have pre-ordered
it is NO different to you gaining access to the closed beta while everyone else who did not founder had to wait (unless they got lucky invites)

stop making noise for the sake of making noise

that isnt a pre-order - it is simply devaluing money that was already spent on MC

pre-order is what you normally see with games that are not released... buying it prior to release

normal games, when you pre-order it, may have a perk for investing PRIOR TO RELEASE

the difference is that here, the mechs are all viable, released, and 90% of every match you play

that is not a pre-order

[EgoSlayer]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 06:19 PM, said:

the latest stuff (clan stuff) still is off that list

Real dollars converted to MC still have less value than those identical, same valued real dollars that have not been spent on MC

Sorry, but you're high. Your MC is worth just as much as it was when you got it as a founder. Much like many founders *BOUGHT* their way into the beta for early access instead of waiting for open beta, Clan Package buyers *BOUGHT* their way into early access instead of waiting for the normal release.

Your MC isn't devalued, or worthless in any way. Any argument you have that indicates such is completely unfounded.


EDIT: Your

Edited by EgoSlayer, 18 June 2014 - 07:08 PM.

[Abrahms]

EgoSlayer, on 18 June 2014 - 07:00 PM, said:

Sorry, but you're high. Your MC is worth just as much as it was when you got it as a founder. Much like many founders *BOUGHT* their way into the beta for early access instead of waiting for open beta, Clan Package buyers *BOUGHT* their way into early access instead of waiting for the normal release.

You're MC isn't devalued, or worthless in any way. Any argument you have that indicates such is completely unfounded.

I was invited to the beta, and bought founders later because the early game had promise

I didnt expect the developers to be math potatoes and the business model to screw over paying customers

[EgoSlayer]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 07:06 PM, said:

I was invited to the beta, and bought founders later because the early game had promise

I didnt expect the developers to be math potatoes and the business model to screw over paying customers

The $60 you paid for your Founders MC alone is worth $80 and you got a mech with it, so when the Clans are released for sale you can buy them for less than anyone else. Your MC is worth *more* than anyone Else's, except another founder with who still has their founder's MC because you bought it at 25% off. So you are paying 25% less for a Clan mech if you chose to use it that way.


EDIT - Math fail

Edited by EgoSlayer, 18 June 2014 - 07:20 PM.

[CeeKay Boques]

MC does have value, it can buy all the stuff in the game.

It just doesn't buy early access to Mech Packs. (Phoenix/Clan) That's all. Anything else you can buy with MC.

Sorry that you wanted it to buy early access too, but its not as though the MC Value is diminished. If they offered Mechs Models and Tshirts, I woudln't expect there to be a MC to Cash equivalent either.

[Impyrium]

Er... I don' think the OP really understands what MC is. MC is NOT an alternative version of real world money. It's points that you BOUGHT with real world money, which are then translated into the game. Hence, MC is up to the developers in what it's 'valuable' for.

You want Clan 'Mechs, then you can still 'pre-order' them.

If you thought that money wasn't going to be a focus on a F2P game, then you sir don't fully understand the implications that such a market brings.

[Abrahms]

EgoSlayer, on 18 June 2014 - 07:15 PM, said:

The $60 you paid for your Founders MC alone is worth $80 and you got a mech with it, so when the Clans are released for sale you can buy them for less than anyone else. Your MC is worth *more* than anyone Else's, except another founder with who still has their founder's MC because you bought it at 33% off. So you are paying 33% less for a Clan mech if you chose to use it that way.

Rather, the separate clan packs should have bonus perks like colors, camo patterns, items, etc

For me, my MC is useless for clan, because it simply cannot be used

I got extra MC because I bought it at a time where they were promoting it - there have been other instances where MC is promoted since then.

Their way of handling clan is to simply prevent you from spending your already spent money on clan items - simple as that.

I have no problem with clan packs. I have no problem with special packages for those who want to spend $500. What I do mind, is that I cant even play with the overpowered (yes, it is - read the stats) clan tech with my ALREADY SPENT dollars to buy MC. At all... nada... to play with it I need to spend more $$$ while my already spent money rots.

Of course those who bought MC expected it to be usable on purchasing mechs are upset. If they had known, theyd of never bought MC. Conveniently, the MC purchase page does not include any of this information.

Edited by Abrahms, 18 June 2014 - 07:21 PM.

[Impyrium]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 07:19 PM, said:

Rather, the separate clan packs should have bonus perks like colors, camo patterns, items, etc

For me, my MC is useless for clan, because it simply cannot be used

I got extra MC because I bought it at a time where they were promoting it - there have been other instances where MC is promoted since then.

Their way of handling clan is to simply prevent you from spending your already spent money on clan items - simple as that.

I have no problem with clan packs. I have no problem with special packages for those who want to spend $500. What I do mind, is that I cant even play with the overpowered (yes, it is - read the stats) clan tech with my ALREADY SPENT dollars to buy MC. At all... nada... to play with it I need to spend more $$$ while my already spent money rots.

Of course those who bought MC expected it to be usable on purchasing mechs are upset. If they had known, theyd of never bought MC. Conveniently, the MC purchase page does not include any of this information.

Oh man. You can't use it on Clans YET. What do you not understand about 'YET'? They don't want to release it YET because it'd be unfair on those that DID spend real money on Clans. You WILL be able to spend MC once they are fully released. There has to be some incentive to pre-order. Try and see the bigger picture, not just 'I don't get Clan 'Mechs noaw so me sad'.

While some of your points are fully true ("[color=#959595]Their way of handling clan is to simply prevent you from spending your already spent money on clan items - simple as that. "), isn't that kind of obvious? Obviously they're trying to make money. How are you surprised by this in the slightest?[/color]

[Naduk]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

I came back and installed 53 patches in the hopes that the game had gone somewhere better (since it was still breathing).

It is still a $15 indie game begging for sales of $500 gold mech packs. They made many lofty promises when the game was in early beta (founder sale period), most of which have been broken. Pay 2 win, 3rd person view, etc....

I just skimmed the clan weapon stats and 9/10 times, the clan version is better than the IS version. Technically, that is "pay2win" to some degree but the game already went that route, even prior to when I quit.

I guess I'll have to wait 3 months to stomp around in a Timberwolf prior to uninstalling... already sent a ticket though for a refund. We'll see. Either way, the game is a deformed monstrosity if you look at it as a player who's been around for a very long time.



that isnt a pre-order - it is simply devaluing money that was already spent on MC

pre-order is what you normally see with games that are not released... buying it prior to release

normal games, when you pre-order it, may have a perk for investing PRIOR TO RELEASE

the difference is that here, the mechs are all viable, released, and 90% of every match you play

that is not a pre-order

you can see people using them
they are NOT released
see release schedule for the dates of mech release

the mechs you see on the field are pre-order customers
it is NO different to battefield and their premium system (premium players get access to items often 2 weeks in advance)
its no different to league and its champion releases and exclusive skins (if you want to play a champ before you buy it you must wait until its comes into the free rotations... like trial mechs)

if you are not going to pre-order you count as a free player
free players must wait until the object is available for grabs in the game via usual methods
you still get your hands on gear
you just got a wait

[Abrahms]

AUSwarrior24, on 18 June 2014 - 07:25 PM, said:

Oh man. You can't use it on Clans YET. What do you not understand about 'YET'? They don't want to release it YET because it'd be unfair on those that DID spend real money on Clans. You WILL be able to spend MC once they are fully released. There has to be some incentive to pre-order. Try and see the bigger picture, not just 'I don't get Clan 'Mechs noaw so me sad'.

While some of your points are fully true ("[color=#959595]Their way of handling clan is to simply prevent you from spending your already spent money on clan items - simple as that. "), isn't that kind of obvious? Obviously they're trying to make money. How are you surprised by this in the slightest?[/color]

1/4 of a year is a long time to wait when 80% of the players in every match have advanced, statistically better clan gear ( I read the clan stats, they are better 9/10 times).

Especially when I already paid $60.

Its a good way to push people away from spending $$$, thats for sure.