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[IcedOmega13]

I fought a clan mech yesterday running 2x ac20 and 2x u/ac20 I think it was a daishi but anybody else know what it was?

[asdbnmrty]

That is definitely a Kit Fox.

Definitely.

[Mechteric]

Turkina?

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 19 June 2014 - 11:59 AM.

[Rhaythe]

Not saying I would run it, but there you go:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...67744625eed3550

Edited by Rhaythe, 19 June 2014 - 12:06 PM.

[InKerenskyWeTrust]

I don't see how a build like that would be very viable. I through something like it together on smurfy, link. Not much ammo, but would hurt if you got caught by one.

[AlmightyAeng]

HA...HA...HAHAHAHAHA. Yeah...it fits. LOL

2xCAC20, 2xCUAC20.

[Screech]

There is no better idea in the game then to mount 24 tons of guns and bring like 2 tons of ammo. No problems will happen, I am being super cereal.

[Rhaythe]

Screech, on 19 June 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

There is no better idea in the game then to mount 24 tons of guns and bring like 2 tons of ammo.  No problems will happen, I am being super cereal.

That's when you add a medium laser. All's forgiven.

[Xarian]

Daishi is the only mech that can run it.

It's also a really terrible build, in case you might be wondering.

[Joseph Mallan]

Xarian, on 19 June 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

Daishi is the only mech that can run it.

It's also a really terrible build, in case you might be wondering.

So just use 3 AC20s(Combined AC/UAC) and some ammo instead! Problem solved by using your brains! You can even put 2 ER Large on it when your ammo eventually runs out.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 19 June 2014 - 12:42 PM.

[IcedOmega13]

Well I knew it couldn't possibly be viable but it was hilarious. THE BOOMISHI!

[Alcom Isst]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

So just use 3 AC20s(Combined AC/UAC) and some ammo instead! Problem solved by using your brains! You can even put 2 ER Large on it when your ammo eventually runs out.

The ghost heat for C-UAC/20s is still insane (Based on Smurfy's, anyways). C-UAC/10s are much more reasonable, generating only 1.44 extra heat when boating 4 of them.

Edited by Alcom Isst, 19 June 2014 - 12:56 PM.

[Xarian]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

So just use 3 AC20s(Combined AC/UAC) and some ammo instead! Problem solved by using your brains! You can even put 2 ER Large on it when your ammo eventually runs out.

2x UAC/20 + 1x LBX or AC/20 is still bad. I've tried it; doesn't work.

These weapons are very ammo-inefficient, so you've got to take a lot of ammo. Let's say that you put as much weaponry in your torsos as you can. The UAC/20s eat all of the slots in your side torsos. You're left with one crit slot in your CT, two crit slots in one leg, and one crit slot in your head. Since you probably want to take about 8t of ammo total (~19 shots for each weapon), you're left with putting 3t in your arms (and 6t for other weapons unless you strip off armor, which you should not do). This means that you might get 1-2 kills, but as soon as the enemy starts shooting back, you're going to lose those arms (ammo has a lot less HP than your AC/20s and will blow off your AC/20 or your lasers).

Typical build:
Triple AC/20

You can't effectively fight any weapons that outrange you (LRMs, large lasers, ER medium lasers), which means that you're limited to ambushing folks from behind terrain, just like the 2xAC/20 Jaeger/Catapult builds. Unlike them, however, you're a lot bigger and slower; you're even less effective against lights than they are. This is true of the Dire Wolf in general, but you're just making the problem worse by using the AC/20 spam.

If you really want to make an AC/20 spam build, stick with a maximum of 2 AC/20. If you want to alpha, go with 1x UAC/20 and 1x LBX/20 or AC/20. That leaves you enough space for lasers and/or missiles.

Example of such a build:
Double AC/20

Edited by Xarian, 19 June 2014 - 01:32 PM.

[Maxx Blue]

Personally, I prefer the Gauss variant:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e177481acfee4ea

You don't have to get so close that way, and generally speaking I still end up dying to CT kills so the armor isn't as much of an issue as you would think. Sure, you have to fire in two volleys, but really it just plays like a gauss jaeger with a much shorter cooldown time. Oh, and if you live to the end of a match, you are probably going to run out of ammo.

Edited by Maxx Blue, 19 June 2014 - 01:50 PM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

There is a video where The B33f tried running it. it appears to be WAY too hot also. Between heat and limited ammo load, there is probably a far better loadout (especially with the burst nature of Clan A/Cs).

[Bobzilla]

I tried the 4 UAC20 on the PTS, I found out that when you shut down, your ACs stop mid burst so you don't get the full rounds out (dumb, how did I get the heat if they didn't fire?). So any hot, burst AC build is not a good idea unless you're very careful.

[AlmightyAeng]

MeiSooHaityu, on 20 June 2014 - 07:42 AM, said:

There is a video where The B33f tried running it. it appears to be WAY too hot also. Between heat and limited ammo load, there is probably a far better loadout (especially with the burst nature of Clan A/Cs).

For reference...
https://www.youtube....7QcaJcw4A#t=342

Edited by Ghost Badger, 20 June 2014 - 08:32 AM.

[Roland]

Why not just run 4 UAC20's, since the standard clan AC's are kind of garbage?

[InKerenskyWeTrust]

I ran a quad AC Dire Wolf last night and put the high lights into a video.

It was an interesting ride.

FYI, this is not a viable build, it was more of a troll/see what it could maybe do build. Was a lot of fun.

Edited by Daoa Hakoke, 20 June 2014 - 01:10 PM.