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[anonymous161]

Joseph Mallan, on 20 June 2014 - 05:16 PM, said:

I haven't paid a dime in well over a year, and I have had a pretty dam good run since.

Where do you find the time to get that many post? I been part of gamespot.com for many years and I only have a couple thousand...you need to get out for some air dude. No way you sport a healthy life with a post count that massive. No offense but it just shocks me to see people with such enormous post.

[Joseph Mallan]

Wolfways, on 20 June 2014 - 07:04 PM, said:

22 years...but at least she's a gamer

Mine told me she would give it a try... then I put a ring on her and lie came to light! But Other than that she is a fantastic woman I love dearly!

(Ok you can put the knife down now sweetie. I told them I love you!)

[Wolfways]

Darth Bane001, on 20 June 2014 - 07:05 PM, said:

it just shocks me to see people with such enormous post.

[Joseph Mallan]

Darth Bane001, on 20 June 2014 - 07:05 PM, said:

Where do you find the time to get that many post? I been part of gamespot.com for many years and I only have a couple thousand...you need to get out for some air dude. No way you sport a healthy life with a post count that massive. No offense but it just shocks me to see people with such enormous post.

I run CNC controlled Machining centers. I load parts, Hit the start button... and then sit for 12 minutes to 3 Hours depending on the machine/job. Lots of down time.

[ApolloKaras]

Is there anyway to have a mod merge these threads together....

http://mwomercs.com/...ease-nerf-lrms/
http://mwomercs.com/...g-but-lrm-spam/

[Samziel]

blackicmenace, on 20 June 2014 - 02:47 PM, said:

Because they are Op and those dude just relish a challenge. For seriously.

Because if someone takes an LRM boat against poptarts he is either an idiot or insane. Poptarts counter lrm boats EASILY.

[Gambino87]

I think in this case the right thing to do is everyone point at the OP and make fun of him for being ridiculous! lol

[Sean von Steinike]

thantos911, on 20 June 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

for such a OP weapon i sure don't see many mechs bringing AMS to the field.

I wish my AMS could shoot down PPC and AC rounds (hehe...not really) as easily as they mitigate missile damage.

[ztac]

I can't believe that someone used the fact that competitive teams don't use LRM as a reason why they are not op... firstly competitive teams are making a balanced team or a least a team where everyone has a role , but the key thing here is that they are a pre-made team and they will be using teamspeak or something akin to that. Therefore they will have ecm mechs, they will have ams and modules , However in a matchmaker game you get what you are given, and a lot of players don't use ams , and a lot don't have the gxp to unlock modules or the C-bills to buy those modules if they could unlock them.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Samziel, on 20 June 2014 - 12:07 PM, said:

So, you are saying LRM boats are op? I wonder why the competitive teams never seem to use them...

LRMs are to limited. I find the locks required to fire them are hard to maintain, even in pugs, where we have many mechs to spot stuff. They have minimum range and the amount needed to kill something is alot. Even on the Training Grounds, where mechs have half armor, it takes a good 400 missiles to do anything.

Go into PuG games and terrain, movement, AMS, ECM, yeah, there is plenty of reason why LRMs are not OP.

I can agree when the moment is right and all you hear is "incoming Missile" and see a steady stream of LRMs coming your way, its unnerving and dangerous, but even then, it takes 20 streams to do any real damage. They are more an annoyance than any real OP gun. Dual PPC/Dual GR Direwolf is OP lol, Jager 40 is OP lol. LRM? Not so much.

[wanderer]

Bacl, on 20 June 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

Well at higher ELO its poptarting that is dominating, usually lrm are useless because there is always 2 or 3 mechs with ECM to make you utterly useless. There is no counter to poptarts unless you poptart yourself while LRM can be countered by much more things, ecm, losing lock, AMS and cover.

In other words, LRMs are only OP when your team is dumb enough to bring none of the ever-increasing numbers of countermeasures.

Which, incidentally leads to them being so meta-poison that the last match of the 12-mans had zero LRMs OR any of the counters to same- because both sides knew that nobody in their right minds would potentially waste a slot on spread-damage that was easily countered.

[Wingbreaker]

wanderer, on 21 June 2014 - 10:32 AM, said:

Which, incidentally leads to them being so meta-poison that the last match of the 12-mans had zero LRMs OR any of the counters to same- because both sides knew that nobody in their right minds would potentially waste a slot on spread-damage that was easily countered.

Hardly. Everyone packs Radar Dep.

[wanderer]

Wingbreaker, on 21 June 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

Hardly. Everyone packs Radar Dep.

Radar Dep didn't exist during the last 12-man tournament...and that just hammers the nail down further, because Radar Dep is a 0-tonnage LRM soft counter in and of itself, never mind anything else.

I've got it on my Ravens that don't use ECM. My hits from LRM lobbers have plummeted dramatically, even the Clan ones.

[Wingbreaker]

wanderer, on 21 June 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

Radar Dep didn't exist during the last 12-man tournament...and that just hammers the nail down further, because Radar Dep is a 0-tonnage LRM soft counter in and of itself, never mind anything else.

I've got it on my Ravens that don't use ECM. My hits from LRM lobbers have plummeted dramatically, even the Clan ones.

Ah, didnt mean the tourney, just the current state of pub queues.

Slap the damn thing on a nova and become supar sneeky^*.

*_{offernotvalidinhighelobrackets}

[Wingbreaker]

ztac, on 21 June 2014 - 10:27 AM, said:

I can't believe that someone used the fact that competitive teams don't use LRM as a reason why they are not op

First off, they aren't OP. At all. They're extremely easy to counter in a variety of ways.

Secondly, they're right, the reason you know these things aren't OP is because no one uses them competitively. I assure you, if comp teams think that anything is more powerful than it should be, they will immediately gravitate towards it.

And third and finally, the main reason many players don't take LRMs seriously is because they spread damage too much. It isn't like they haven't tried. Even with artemis, the damage is dangerously inconsistent, and it can often depend on which mech you're fighting.

For instance, one thing I've noticed since clan mechs is that the Timby has virtually no CT to be hit by LRMs because of its shoulders. If the mech doesn't have missiles equipped, the LRMs largely still hit side torsos because of its elongated torso. This isn't to say they don't hit CT, they do, but I'd give it a 1/3 split.

[Black Ivan]

Problem is LRMS and ACs can be boated en masse

[Wolfways]

Black Ivan, on 21 June 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

Problem is LRMS and ACs can be boated en masse

What mechs can boat AC's? The very fragile Jager and the very slow Direwolf?