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[TOGSolid]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 22 June 2014 - 03:45 PM, said:

I was there when we had R&R. As i said there are plenty of suggestions in this thread already to make it work.

newbees could even get a 100 match no R&R Bonus. by then they shouldve figured out the game mechanic, or they just choose a fraction specific mech or a lighter mech

It's faction.

Unless you mean stacking mechs on top of each other and then just for giggles finding the common denominator.

[Petrothian Tong]

Karson Kritz, on 22 June 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

fine do some tweaking on the repair bill. and allow mechs to repair slowly over time for free. but that would make it where you run a 90 ton mech for 10 hours straight and werent pulling your own weight you gonna lose some money at the end of the day. if you are doing good and you are tearing limbs off people and blowing up mechs (what all assault mechs should be doing) then you make plenty of money for the repair bill...so increase the scavange bonus increase the kill bonus ADD repair cost.
If you suck with the atlast run a medium or light mech and let someone better handle the assaults. it could be balanced out so that if you are doing a good job and you are holding your own you wont see a penalty. if you blow you lose

we been there XD
This and the savlage system was not fun for PGI/Paul lol.
this was done to death back then, countless weeks *if not months* of planning, work, and in the end, into the trash~! .

Edited by Petrothian Tong, 22 June 2014 - 03:50 PM.

[Graugger]

Sure make a player repair their mech because the rest of their team is a bunch of fools and split up to get rolled. Repair costs wouldn't make the FUGs play any better and would just hurt good players more. Especially considering MM doesn't go by comparing skill levels but by trying as hard as possible to make your WLR 1:1. You want a repair cost implemented in a game that'll put a half decent player against a poptart king because the mid player just happens to have a WLR of 1.25.

No repair costs until they fix MM to compare by skill and have teams with rather all round equally skilled players. I don't want a 4.5 million C-Bill repair bill cause Joe Shome in his DDC decided to turn and run away leaving everyone open to LRM central.

[Vassago Rain]

Signal27, on 22 June 2014 - 02:08 PM, said:

I wonder if the devs took repair costs out to encourage players to be more aggressive during fights?

RnR was a straight tax on fun, and made the rich players way, way richer, while freeplayer scum couldn't even pay the 60,000 repair cost for their awesome's armor.

They took it out because it gave the game an incredibly bad rep.

[StandingInFire]

R&R no matter how it is implemented, will never encourage good gameplay. I was there when it was in the game, it in no way improved the game and the 75% free was necessary unless you want people dropping into your matches not fully equipped.

If ammo costs cbills people will move more towards energy weapons.

If repair costs money people will move towards loadouts/behavior that let them avoid taking damage.

So you get ppc snipers/poptarts, and some lrm boats with people running into corners and powering down if the match is about to be lost.

Also making mechanics that force people to play mechs/weight classes they are not good as will not make your games better either. If for example lights are more profitable and assaults run a big enough disparity people will feel forced to play lights even if they suck at them, I would rather have some mediocre assaults than terrible lights because they may at least be able to do something. Similar if equipment such as xl is very expensive you will have standard engine lights potentially coupled with worse light pilots for a nice mix of extra fail.

Also lets not forget the effect of premium time & hero mech money bonus on that that tilts the game towards P2W, it would be a slightly reduced equivalent of gold ammo as only people that payed money can afford to run "premium" equipment regularly.

[Vassago Rain]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 22 June 2014 - 03:53 PM, said:

Well vassago, there are alot Suggestions above to balance that issue which was def an issue

Those suggestions were bad two years ago when I killed the system with massive threadnoughts, and remain just as bad today. RnR will never come back, and if it does, PGI's mall office will get firebombed by ubergolds who blew hundreds to thousands of dollars on mechs that now require a quarter million c-bills to repair after each game.

Case closed.

[StandingInFire]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 22 June 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:

... R&R ... to balance each type of planes.

That is the problem right there balance through out of game economy is bad, period.

Proper balance is achieved by making mechs compete in game in different areas so you can balance through gameplay.

Edited by StandingInFire, 22 June 2014 - 04:21 PM.

[TOGSolid]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 22 June 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

The main Balance works throu the Battlerating in Warthunder. Repaircost is just secondary

So ingame not often used variants could benefit from a R&R %off.

Seriously there are soo many ways to make the R&R work.

Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true.

Also the RR in War Thunder doesn't do anything as far as balance goes so I'm not sure why you're even bringing it up.

Edited by TOGSolid, 22 June 2014 - 04:56 PM.

[Green Mamba]

Won't come back due to (Maybe even Developer Intended) Infiltration of "Call Of Duty" Players into this game.We may never even see Salvage Game Mechanic again

[Vassago Rain]

Green Mamba, on 22 June 2014 - 05:05 PM, said:

Won't come back due to (Maybe even Developer Intended) Infiltration of "Call Of Duty" Players into this game.We may never even see Salvage Game Mechanic again

There already is a salvage mechanic in the game.

[Roland]

Vassago Rain, on 22 June 2014 - 05:10 PM, said:

There already is a salvage mechanic in the game.

Not really one that matters though. There's really no significant gain in earnings based on how cleanly you kill a mech like there used to be.

[Barantor]

Vassago Rain, on 22 June 2014 - 05:10 PM, said:

There already is a salvage mechanic in the game.

"salvage mechanic"

Not really, but it is called that. I believe he means like actually salvaging parts and weapons, not c-bills.

It wasn't really given a shot since everyone had to actually think about things, yeah it punished bad players and new folks, but it could be worked on and made ok, but it would be years before it would be right and this game is already taking a long while.

[Green Mamba]

They Took out the Salvage Mechanic that I am talking about right after I started playing Nov '12 ,I believe it was right before New Years or So..I may be wrong may need to look it up for exact date but it was there..People would try for Cockpit shots back then for extra salvage I remember that.

Edited by Green Mamba, 22 June 2014 - 05:16 PM.

[Vassago Rain]

Green Mamba, on 22 June 2014 - 05:15 PM, said:

They Took out the Salvage Mechanic that I am talking about right after I started playing Nov '12 ,I believe it was right before New Years or So..I may be wrong may need to look it up for exact date but it was there..People would try for Cockpit shots back then for extra salvage I remember that.

You could never loot parts. MWO isn't a singleplayer game.

Salvage is the way it's always been. The winning side gets x% of the losing side's undamaged mech value in salvage money. Aka, if you blow up my 18 million c-bill atlas completely, you get very little. If you leg it or headshot it, you get a lot.

[Davers]

To date no one has come up with a system that didn't hurt new/bad F2P pugs the same as it hurts veteran PT/Hero mech premades. Except for good players getting higher repair bills for torso twisting.
Its also funny that some players rant about long wait times and being forced to play different weight classes with 4x3, while other players want people to have to run lighter mechs without upgrades to accomplish the same goal- less heavies and assaults.

[TOGSolid]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 22 June 2014 - 05:26 PM, said:

Its makes Good planes be used less in Warthunder.

Lolwut, no it doesn't. Not in the slightest. The only way you might use your good stuff less due to costs in War Thunder is if you're a garbage pilot who gets shot down as soon as the enemy even looks at you and you accomplish nothing all round long.

Edited by TOGSolid, 22 June 2014 - 05:35 PM.

[TOGSolid]

I have the Corsair 1C. There has never been a situation where I couldn't afford to fly the Corsair 1C.

Edited by TOGSolid, 22 June 2014 - 05:45 PM.

[TOGSolid]

You still haven't provided a system that wouldn't hurt the not-top end players though despite saying there are "tons of ways" to do it.

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 22 June 2014 - 05:44 PM, said:

Up to 4.5K SE (if iam correct) for a Rank 3 plane is way to much. Ofc you can afford to play it but you wont make too much SE out of it to save up for the next plane. Or in other words: Other planes are way more Repaircost efficient

So you agree that my ability to fly my Corsair-1C is completely unhindered by the repair and rearm costs? Excellent, so we've established that good pilots will just keep bringing good equipment to ensure that they keep winning matches which makes this entire discussion moot.

Edited by TOGSolid, 22 June 2014 - 05:56 PM.

[GutterBoy5]

R&R yes made making money more difficult. But what we wouldn't have is the LRMS & AC spam that's happening now.

It's those builds that made no $$ cause there huge ammo costs. So less people ran them

[Nikolaus117]

Just remove 10% from your C-Bills earns per Mach!

Not More, this would be enough.

Ammonution should be paid as well.

Maybe just incrase the Money that can get earnt by 10% to make that less singnifcant.