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[Wolfways]

Atheus, on 22 June 2014 - 08:03 PM, said:

Also, you fools making fun of him mentioning his KDR, pretending you never take an interest in your own KDR.

As hard as it may be to believe some of us really don't care about KDR. I have no idea what mine is. I know it used to be around 2.0 somewhere a long time ago, but i have no idea now.

[Sephlock]

Kell Commander, on 22 June 2014 - 06:58 PM, said:

My only gripe with clan anything is why the hell clan Ultra ACs shoot 4 projectiles per shot. That's horribly wrong. Otherwise, while my brawler mechs are even more useless on Alpine (which has everything to do with bringing a brawler to Alpine and nothing really with balance), as long as I'm not taking on 2 clanners at once (or if they are bad pilots I can) I generally win.

No, that's the way autocannons should be.

[Sean von Steinike]

*yawn* bet this guy whines about LRMs being overpowered as well.

[Scratx]

Bagheera, on 22 June 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

Wait, so three clan mechs kill three other clan mechs + you by getting the jump on you?

Sounds to me like the only thing OP in this scenario is situational awareness.

Teamwork is OP, ban teamwork.

[Mcgral18]

Kell Commander, on 22 June 2014 - 06:58 PM, said:

My only gripe with clan anything is why the hell clan Ultra ACs shoot 4 projectiles per shot. That's horribly wrong.

I'm sorry, but I want my AutoCannons to be Lore AutoCannons, not Rifles. Super Rifles.


As for Clans being OP...well, both my Splat Hawk and Meta Hawk deal with them efficently. Even my SRM SHD on Alpine managed 900 damage without strikes while pugging.

Of course, the rest of your team dictates whether you win. It doesn't matter if they have Clan mechs or IS mechs, if they derp hard you'll lose. Same goes if you derp hard (it happens to everyone.)

[Atheus]

Wolfways, on 22 June 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

As hard as it may be to believe some of us really don't care about KDR. I have no idea what mine is. I know it used to be around 2.0 somewhere a long time ago, but i have no idea now.

If you don't care about your KDR (or WLR or any statistic), that's fine. Maybe you've never taken an interest in it. That's no reason to mock someone who does. People who want to measure their accomplishments are not silly or pathetic in any way — especially in the world of gaming. People looking down their nose at him just because he likes measuring his success at maintaining an impressive performance record look like self-important jerks to me.

[Wolfways]

Atheus, on 22 June 2014 - 10:53 PM, said:

If you don't care about your KDR (or WLR or any statistic), that's fine. Maybe you've never taken an interest in it. That's no reason to mock someone who does. People who want to measure their accomplishments are not silly or pathetic in any way — especially in the world of gaming. People looking down their nose at him just because he likes measuring his success at maintaining an impressive performance record look like self-important jerks to me.

Nothing wrong with wanting to measure your accomplishments, but imo in a team-based game KDR means very little as you (you as in a single player) are not doing the killing, your whole team are. If it was one-on-one it would matter.
I'm not saying the OP does this, but nothing annoys me more than a player who runs off to hide somewhere when it looks like his team are going to lose because he wants to protect his KDR

If you don't like the game then stop playing, but don't stop to protect a fairly pointless stat.

Oh, and i never said anything about the OP. I responded to you saying people were "pretending to never take an interest in your own KDR". Just pointing out that not everyone cares about it.

Edited by Wolfways, 22 June 2014 - 11:41 PM.

[Lykaon]

Kay Wolf, on 22 June 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

I am already so sick and bloody tired of all the Clan 'Mechs, I can't even express.

If the teams had an even number of Clan 'Mechs and Inner Sphere 'Mechs, say six and six per side, the game is pretty even. However, for each additional Clan 'Mech on the enemy side, our chance of winning drops precipitously. If you're not driving a Clan 'Mech, right now, you're severely limited in what you can do. This last game, on Frozen City, four Omni's came through the North opening of Cave and splashed three of us before we could even react. Three of those 'Mechs they splashed were Omni's, and then me in my little Wolverine.

This has become, I'm afraid, ClanWarrior Online; it's out of control, unfortunately. If I want to have any opportunity to save my KDR whatsoever, for a time when the game will be fixed, I have to stop playing. Was that your goal, PGI? I don't think it was. You said you had Clan 'Mechs beautifully balanced and, for about the first six hours of gameplay on Wednesday, I'm sure they seemed very much balanced. Now, however, they are far from it.

I did not purchase Clan 'Mechs, I will not purchase Clan 'Mechs, the shiny syndrome seems to have taken over many of your players, and they were not supposed to be out, you said they would not be out, until after Community Warfare. You may not have promised us anything, and I never said you have; however, that doesn't make the lie any less harmful.

I was never a really good player to begin with. I'm not quitting, entirely, but you need to put a separation between Clans and Inner Sphere, or you need to put rules in place rapidly when dealing with Clan 'Mech tonnage vs. Inner Sphere, please?

In my estimation, with the balancing you've attempted to do, I would not say Inner Sphere tonnage should be between 1.5 and 1.75 per Clan ton, but between 1.3 and 1.4 per Clan ton. I don't know if that helps, but my numbers are usually pretty straight when it comes to these sorts of things, and I think I have the right of it.

Please fix this, soon? Thank you.

I also pilot a wolverine frequently...

Ok here are some tips.

Unless you are facing either a Summoner or a Timberwolf armed exclusivley with ER-PPC and Gauss Rifles the following tip will vastly exstend your life expectency.

Torso twist to spread all that damage.ALL the clan direct fire lasers and ACs are not front loaded damage.

Your wolverine has a left arm but doesn't need it take hits on the left side first.

Be fast if you can get that wolverine running at around 90kph you should be fast enough to get into cover.

Fair fights are for suckers,always gang up on a target.So if you see one of your team members shooting at a target shoot the same target.

KDR is meaningless.It's an ego stat.Win/Loss is the stat that will matter with community warfare.I don't give a crap if my KDR has hit rock bottom if my team wins.(or I had some fun losing)

I do ok with my wolverine 7K.
I strip the left arm armor down to 18 max the rest, 14 DHS a 300xl 4 jumpjets 4 SRM4s w/4 tons ammo a medium laser AMS and a PPC.

at the first half of the battle you are pop shoting with the PPC and waiting for the battle to get close or wait until you see some manged mechs seperated from the main group.

Close in and maul them with the laser and SRMs.

You do not want to engage fresh mechs if you can help it this build works best as a finisher for the second half.

[Thorqemada]

This Weekend was pretty bad to me - lost almost 20 matches in a row and some in a very annoying manner and that really gives a bad mood...somewhat recovered from that unfortunate streak of bad losses but that felt more like a Sisyphus work.
At least i could optimize my Founder- Atlas-Loadout and get comfortable with it.

[Wolfways]

Lykaon, on 22 June 2014 - 11:42 PM, said:

I also pilot a wolverine frequently...

Ok here are some tips.

Unless you are facing either a Summoner or a Timberwolf armed exclusivley with ER-PPC and Gauss Rifles the following tip will vastly exstend your life expectency.

Torso twist to spread all that damage.ALL the clan direct fire lasers and ACs are not front loaded damage.

Your wolverine has a left arm but doesn't need it take hits on the left side first.

Be fast if you can get that wolverine running at around 90kph you should be fast enough to get into cover.

Fair fights are for suckers,always gang up on a target.So if you see one of your team members shooting at a target shoot the same target.

KDR is meaningless.It's an ego stat.Win/Loss is the stat that will matter with community warfare.I don't give a crap if my KDR has hit rock bottom if my team wins.(or I had some fun losing)

I do ok with my wolverine 7K.
I strip the left arm armor down to 18 max the rest, 14 DHS a 300xl 4 jumpjets 4 SRM4s w/4 tons ammo a medium laser AMS and a PPC.

at the first half of the battle you are pop shoting with the PPC and waiting for the battle to get close or wait until you see some manged mechs seperated from the main group.

Close in and maul them with the laser and SRMs.

You do not want to engage fresh mechs if you can help it this build works best as a finisher for the second half.

But...but...but...that means using.... tactics!

[Thorqemada]

A XL 295 will do as well as a 300 and may give you that little edge for your loadout!

[TygerLily]

Want to kill some Clanners?

Use those speedy IS Lights, clustered IS LRMs, or punchy FTL IS ballistics!

[Hastur Azargo]

Just practice until you get the hang of the mech and loadout you're using. And use seismic, standing in a wrong place at a wrong time will always get you killed, regardless of what mech you're in.

Oh, and meta ain't the only option. Here's a random example, AWS-9M, 3 Large Lasers, top damage, even though we lost. Oh and note that most alive mechs on the other side are IS.

Spoiler

[Sky Legacy]

Wolfways, on 22 June 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

As hard as it may be to believe some of us really don't care about KDR. I have no idea what mine is. I know it used to be around 2.0 somewhere a long time ago, but i have no idea now.

I dont even know how to check mine so I've never known or cared to know mine. Can someone tell me how to check it?

[N0MAD]

Bobby Blast, on 22 June 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

Sorry man I just got into my stalker and rained pain down on the enemy with 1100 damage.
just saying..

Considering Most posts on forums and watching the Tourneys says that LRMs are not used in high level play and that most people taking LRM damage need to L2P, you doing so much damage with LRMs tells us your ELO is pretty low, maybe you need to L2P...

[Wolfways]

Sky Legacy, on 23 June 2014 - 12:38 AM, said:

I dont even know how to check mine so I've never known or cared to know mine. Can someone tell me how to check it?

Profile>Stats

Wow, 1.45KDR...that dropped

Edited by Wolfways, 23 June 2014 - 12:43 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

N0MAD, on 23 June 2014 - 12:39 AM, said:

Considering Most posts on forums and watching the Tourneys says that LRMs are not used in high level play and that most people taking LRM damage need to L2P, you doing so much damage with LRMs tells us your ELO is pretty low, maybe you need to L2P...

Hm - a coordinated 12 men team - doesn't suffer from LRMs because of Coordination of (loadout) and Focusfire...
how to kill LRMs? Don't get spotted... if there is a spotter - put him down fast....12 mechs with FLD weapons kill a spotter....fast even with broken hitdetection.
In PUG you don't get the needed focus to bring a spotter down = more incoming LRM damage.

When you use LRMs with LOS only - you see they are not that good. LRMs beeing good is the fault of the broken indirect fire solution of MWO.

Anyhow - ClanMechs are interesting.... when the enemy team has a "good" mix of IS and CLanMechs you are screwed. But that was already the fact with IS Mechs only.
The speed of ClanHeavys is welcome - but i did run my Catapract with a 340 already - almost the speed of both Clan Heavys.
With SRM back - you also have tooth on your Medium IS again. And the IS AC 5 for the Wolverine + Speed and JumpJets is as good as a Ultra 10 of the Clans

[Sky Legacy]

Wolfways, on 23 June 2014 - 12:42 AM, said:

Profile>Stats

Wow, 1.45KDR...that dropped

Wow. I wish I hadn't checked that.

[Wolfways]

Sky Legacy, on 23 June 2014 - 12:50 AM, said:

Wow. I wish I hadn't checked that.

lol not good eh?

[Sky Legacy]

Wolfways, on 23 June 2014 - 12:53 AM, said:

lol not good eh?

well..let's just say..............bah..let's NOT say. LOL!