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[Blue Shadow]

Vassago Rain, on 25 June 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

It couldn't possibly be because they are really scared their toys will get taken away.

Well yes in a manner of speaking. PGI have swung the nerff bat in the wrong direction before, there are other issues of balance in this game that have nothing to do with the clans. They make for an easy scape goat because thier new and a couple of them just so happen to fit within the cheesey meta builds.

[Nauht]

Vassago Rain, on 25 June 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

It couldn't possibly be because they are really scared their toys will get taken away.

Nah they're in now. And if anything any nerfs called to them will come just in time for you cheapo CB buyers as it takes months for PGI to do anything.

So yeah, keep calling for the nerfs. We're enjoying them right now. I hope they do nerf them just to hear the further whines from the entitled bunch later on.

By then I'd have mastered my clans and waiting for the next thing to be released.

[AEgg]

It's been two years since this was brought up and STILL no one gets it.

It doesn't matter if the clan mechs are better or worse than IS mechs.

The fact that they are functionally different and pay-only definitively makes them pay to win. Having more options than your opponents is an advantage. Even if those options are terrible.

That said, clan mechs are timed exclusive. So it's a far better model than hero mechs, which are exclusive forever.

[Roland]

AEgg, on 25 June 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

The fact that they are functionally different and pay-only definitively makes them pay to win. Having more options than your opponents is an advantage. Even if those options are terrible.

This isn't actually a true statement.
Having terrible options is not an advantage.

[Pjwned]

I'm not saying that clan mechs are pay2win, but if they were then the point is that's bad design, not "I want what he has but I'm too poor" or other baseless assumptions like that.

You sure seem a little defensive about it.

Edited by Pjwned, 25 June 2014 - 02:57 PM.

[AEgg]

Roland, on 25 June 2014 - 02:43 PM, said:

This isn't actually a true statement.
Having terrible options is not an advantage.

Only if they're objectively terrible, as in 100% by-the-numbers worse than the alternatives, with no external variables.

That's obviously impossible. And silly, since no one would sell unquestionably inferior content even if they could make it. Given that, there's always some outlandish corner case where one option is going to be better. You simply can't have two things equal all the time unless they're the same thing to begin with.

Sure, in practical use everything works out to be mostly fair, but crossing the line is what bothers people, not how far it's crossed by. Gold ammo that does 101% damage would incite just as much anger as gold ammo that did 1000% damage.

Pjwned, on 25 June 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

I'm not saying that clan mechs are pay2win, but if they were then the point is that's bad design, not "I want what he has but I'm too poor" or other baseless assumptions like that.

You sure seem a little defensive about it.

This is pretty much why people get upset about exclusive content. It's simply impossible for exclusive content to always be equal to everything else. So it's either going to be better or worse. If it's worse, then there's no point in making it exclusive in the first place.

[CoffiNail]

Great post Gyrok!

[Toadkillerdog]

Gyrok, on 25 June 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

You should absolutely NOT get something that MANY people paid early access for a package, the same day for free...that would be the most horrid business decision PGI could ever make.

You want clan mechs??? Buy them like the rest of us...

While I'm not sure about the claims they are OP, it'd be stupid if they released them for cbills immediately upon the package arriving.
Ya know, like they did with project phoenix, cause **** those guys. Rather than actually give a more valuable deal for the extra money, they just basically starved the game of any free content so that if you don't pay in there's absolutely nothing new in the game for, oh, about 6 months.

[headbasher]

This is the op

"You know what , if I make a topic thats been made a hundred times already they will listen to me.......BECAUSE IM MEEEEE"

NEWS FLASH ///// NO ONE IS GOING TO LISTEN

[Gyrok]

headbasher, on 25 June 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

This is the op

"You know what , if I make a topic thats been made a hundred times already they will listen to me.......BECAUSE IM MEEEEE"

NEWS FLASH ///// NO ONE IS GOING TO LISTEN

You obviously did...

[headbasher]

Gyrok, on 25 June 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

You obviously did...

/FACEPALM

[KAT Ayanami]

Gyrok, on 25 June 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

Then pony up the F******* money and shut up...

Otherwise...you are clueless until you use them and understand the mechanics.

You should absolutely NOT get something that MANY people paid early access for a package, the same day for free...that would be the most horrid business decision PGI could ever make. How much money do you think they made off this package? Lots of it likely...they would lose ALL OF THAT if they let you snot nosed, whining, egotistical, self indulgent, spoiled little brats have them now. Get used to it. Pay to have it before you do is here to stay, and IT WILL NOT CHANGE. No one is paying to win, they are paying disposable income to get something they wanted early. If you cannot fathom that...I cannot help you.

Do you want clan mechs? They are still on sale...PAY THE MONEY or shut up, it is simple. Trial clan mechs are coming...then you can see how they are not P2W.

I am tired of explaining to people who are incapable of listening that clan mechs are DIFFERENT, but in many ways they are NOT superior...

You want clan mechs??? Buy them like the rest of us...

Otherwise wait and get them FOR FREE. If you cannot do that...there is a tutorial on how to uninstall MWO. I can link it if you wish. The CoD crowd needs to GTFO, and take their self-entitled attitudes with them.

Flame on circle-jerk-I-want-it-now-because-it-is-P-2-W whiners.

You complaining about morons is like a donkey complaining about other animals' long ears.

People complain about Clan Mechs being OP. Not about not having them the same day. You dumb dumb.

Such "morons" do not care if you bought the package or not btw.

I will repeat again just to avoid the bashing. Im OK with clans being OP. They have always been on this universe. So Im ok with that 100%.

But is just ridiculous to look the other way and try to explain why "they are not".

Gyrok, on 25 June 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

The CoD crowd needs to GTFO, and take their self-entitled attitudes with them.

LOL. BTW, if the player base shrinks any more, we are going to have to go back to 8vs8 so we can have at least 2 or 3 games going at the same time.

[Lyoto Machida]

Blue Shadow, on 25 June 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

Well thats probably because they have used every clan mech there is to use and have discovered (shock horror!) that they not OP!

I've only run my Stormcrow, Timberwolf, Dire Wolf and Warhawk myself. I've been doing way better in them than how I normally did in my IS mechs but that was probably because I was only a slightly above average pilot in IS mechs as a whole. Maybe the Clans just fit my playstyle better but I'm pretty sure its really because of the SRM fix.

[Chemie]

Once they are out for CB, it will only take 5 years of grind to buy them

[Livewyr]

Ragnar Darkmane, on 25 June 2014 - 02:14 PM, said:

Yawn, yet another rage thread. You'd think people would actually start some constructive threads or come up with valid arguments instead of wasting their and our time with their rants...

Not that I agree with adding another thread regarding this "issue," but it is rather difficult to come up with a "valid" argument for people whose only experience with the subject are from one side. They literally cannot have personal experience with both sides, if they cannot/do not drive both sides.

[Gyrok]

KAT Ayanami, on 25 June 2014 - 03:55 PM, said:

You complaining about morons is like a donkey complaining about other animals' long ears.

People complain about Clan Mechs being OP. Not about not having them the same day. You dumb dumb.

Such "morons" do not care if you bought the package or not btw.

I will repeat again just to avoid the bashing. Im OK with clans being OP. They have always been on this universe. So Im ok with that 100%.

But is just ridiculous to look the other way and try to explain why "they are not".



LOL. BTW, if the player base shrinks any more, we are going to have to go back to 8vs8 so we can have at least 2 or 3 games going at the same time.

Actually, every other thread says, "because they are OP and P2W, PGI should put them out for free NOW!!!" Evidently you have not read too many of those...

[KAT Ayanami]

Gyrok, on 25 June 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

Actually, every other thread says, "because they are OP and P2W, PGI should put them out for free NOW!!!" Evidently you have not read too many of those...

To be honest. I havent read that many. Like I said, I do not mind Clanners being OP (although, it is getting old REALLY fast). But I have never heard any complaints about "release nao".

I agree on PGI making his money. If it is P2W, then good for them. I do not really care. I just do not spend money on this game (other than mechbays) because everything is overpriced to hell. $240 for a few mechs? Nah. I pass. I can buy 8-15 full games with that amount.

[Gyrok]

KAT Ayanami, on 25 June 2014 - 05:28 PM, said:

To be honest. I havent read that many. Like I said, I do not mind Clanners being OP (although, it is getting old REALLY fast). But I have never heard any complaints about "release nao".

I agree on PGI making his money. If it is P2W, then good for them. I do not really care. I just do not spend money on this game (other than mechbays) because everything is overpriced to hell. $240 for a few mechs? Nah. I pass. I can buy 8-15 full games with that amount.

See, I started by being nice and explaining, though thick headed numb skulls that make threads about IS ML being OP with regularity just do not get it. I am to the point now where I just hope to shut them up. If they focus that rage at me, so be it...most of them play in a ELO bracket that never touches the matches I drop in...so who cares. What are they going to do...TK me in a lance full of other Wolves? Yeah...good luck with that.

[DMgrady]

It's a pretty big letdown when you've spent money on the game when it was first came out and now you don't want to spend all your gaming money on a game you have already supported. I just think out of all the free to play games this one is by far set up the worst for poor gamers. Must be nice to have all that extra cash for fun mechs.

Edited by DMgrady, 25 June 2014 - 06:54 PM.

[MajorLeeHung]

headbasher, on 25 June 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

This is the op

"You know what , if I make a topic thats been made a hundred times already they will listen to me.......BECAUSE IM MEEEEE"

NEWS FLASH ///// NO ONE IS GOING TO LISTEN

Yet here you are... ROFL