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[Ph30nix]

so in other words its okay for small groups to stomp pugs but small groups cant be stomped by large groups?

[Gyrok]

Alexandrix, on 03 July 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

So don't bother playing if I just want to play with 1 other person then?
ok.



I just want to be able to play the game with my wife and not get thrown in with a 10-12 man group of meta humping tryhards.Why is that so difficult to understand?


The simple fact of the matter here is,You guys just want people to either play your way,be target practice for you....or gtfo.That pretty much cover it?

Jump in behind the 10 man and pew pew and have fun...instead of complaining.

That or join a group and drop with your wife with many others too...problem solved.

[Willard Phule]

StaggerCheck, on 03 July 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

Alright, I wasn't going to do this and I'm not fishing for likes, but a buddy of mine just called and more or less demanded that I make a new thread with this for everyone to enjoy.

BEEYOOTIFUL!

The only thing you missed is the guy that gives up on his PUG ****** teammates and gets 6 kills by himself and clears over 300k cbills. Because, let's face it, that's the only tangible reward to this messed up game...

[MischiefSC]

The issue isnt that I don't understand; I do. TheIssue is more a sympathy issue. It is the exact same issue pugs have had for years. Plural.

We have always had the options of:

1 Suck it up, even when its sync dropping trash talking tryhards.

2. Quit.

Totally sucked, just like it must now. Maybe 2mans can stick largely to pug queue, but there are math issues to filling 2-10s without 2s. Like before, you might be boned so others can drop how they want.

I have lots of empathy for you. Sympathy is harder. A bit bitter for that.

Alexandrix, on 03 July 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

So don't bother playing if I just want to play with 1 other person then?
ok.



I just want to be able to play the game with my wife and not get thrown in with a 10-12 man group of meta humping tryhards.Why is that so difficult to understand?


The simple fact of the matter here is,You guys just want people to either play your way,be target practice for you....or gtfo.That pretty much cover it?

[Asmudius Heng]

Alexandrix, on 03 July 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

So don't bother playing if I just want to play with 1 other person then?
ok.



I just want to be able to play the game with my wife and not get thrown in with a 10-12 man group of meta humping tryhards.Why is that so difficult to understand?


The simple fact of the matter here is,You guys just want people to either play your way,be target practice for you....or gtfo.That pretty much cover it?

I am hoping they have some sort of opt-out system for 4 mans who are playing casually - or maybe a 4man needs to be a minimum ELO before the MM throws them into the group queue even if they might fit.

Right now everyone wins except the casual group players. IT is very hard to cater for everyone i understand, but i think some way to stop newbie groups from getting smashed so hard they leave the game is in order.

Opt-out for 4 mans
Opt-in for solo players too! I would be happy to group up with the big boiys and follow someones lead as a solo player if none of my buddues are around

If they had this and VOIP i think things would be more balanced for the majority of players (cant please everyone though)

[GalaxyBluestar]

if soloer's willing to go through the group queue could elect to do so as well as 2-3mans perhaps there would be some relief to making 10mans work.

oh well tis the way of things, details not looked into and all.

[Riptor]

I allways like the people who say: "Get into bigger groups, l2p, shut up or leave"

They never realize ho much damage they do to the game..

You guys know that lions and hyenas that dont eat do starve after a while right?

[spectralthundr]

For all the QQ about smaller mixed groups can't beat 10-12 mans all on coms, I offer this in rebuttal, never mind that the clan wolf players were mouthy at the start of the game, only to shut right the hell up after they got rolled by a couple 3 mans and some pugs that focused fire.

[Navy Sixes]

As a PUG with a sense of humor, I like the OP. Good stuff! In addition to the funny, if you want to commit assuming every PUG is a gazelle, that's an assumption I'll do nothing to discourage.

But, all kidding aside... as I've mentioned in other posts, now we find out who the good players are, looking for a competitive challenge in the group queues. Now we find out where the grouped-garbage is, unable to get over without trolling the PUGs in a 4-man.

[GalaxyBluestar]

Tycho von Gagern, on 03 July 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

Now we find out where the grouped-garbage is, unable to get over without trolling the PUGs in a 4-man.

very appealing who are the premade boogiemen now?




next few months should be interesting

[Felbombling]

Tycho von Gagern, on 03 July 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

As a PUG with a sense of humor, I like the OP. Good stuff! In addition to the funny, if you want to commit assuming every PUG is a gazelle, that's an assumption I'll do nothing to discourage.

But, all kidding aside... as I've mentioned in other posts, now we find out who the good players are, looking for a competitive challenge in the group queues. Now we find out where the grouped-garbage is, unable to get over without trolling the PUGs in a 4-man.

The best part of the Meme has turned out to be the various ways people interpret it. I was poking a little fun at a certain group that is feeling angry right now, but all sorts of people are reading it for humour, as a statement or for depicting an attitude. I love it.

[Ozric]

Groups should be kept out of the solo queue totally. I call shenanigans on anyone that tries to defend the advantage that running in even small groups has against otherwise solo players. They know full well that they are playing the system at the expense of other players, and if you can't handle the Elo bracket you shouldn't go to so much trouble to inflate it.


Also, in the wild, hyenas eat more lions than lions eat hyenas.

Edited by Ozric, 04 July 2014 - 02:42 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Here's how it works.

[pwnface]

Obviously the queue system isn't perfect and needs some work but I've found that being able to form groups of 4+ is really quite fun. It kind of sucks when people complain or rage when they are beaten by a large group of organized players, but honestly you can't really blame the players that just want to play together. If I have a group of 10 or 12, I'm not intentionally dropping against a 3x4man groups to pub stomp, that is just the way the matchmaker works now. Adding in-game voice would go a very long way in improving a random pug group's chances against an organized team.

[Edustaja]

Vassago Rain, on 04 July 2014 - 02:42 AM, said:

Here's how it works.

The underhive is of course just as small as the top tier as Elo is pretty much a bell curve, not a "pyramid".
Most people are average.

Edited by Edustaja, 04 July 2014 - 03:12 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Edustaja, on 04 July 2014 - 03:12 AM, said:

The underhive is of course just as small as the top tier as ELO is pretty much a bell curve, not a "pyramid".
Most people are average.

No, the underhive is quite, quite vast, as most have realized the past couple days.

MWO's playerbase has been protected by muh precious elo scores wah wah 4 men only forever my commando gets 8000 damage a game blo blo for two years. Now we can drop in teams made up of stuff like this...



And we still roll CLAN JADE WOLF THE REAL OG AFF NEG AFF NEG AFF AFF every single time. It's hilarious.

[Edustaja]

Vassago Rain, on 04 July 2014 - 03:17 AM, said:

No, the underhive is quite, quite vast, as most have realized the past couple days.

MWO's playerbase has been protected by muh precious elo scores wah wah 4 men only forever my commando gets 8000 damage a game blo blo for two years. Now we can drop in teams made up of stuff like this...

And we still roll CLAN JADE WOLF THE REAL OG AFF NEG AFF NEG AFF AFF every single time. It's hilarious.

The fact that the average player might not be skilled in relation to you does not mean they are pond scum.

[El Bandito]

OP, you forgot these two.

COMPETITIVE TEAM.




PUGLORD.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 July 2014 - 04:48 AM.

[Reza Malin]

Alexandrix, on 03 July 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

So don't bother playing if I just want to play with 1 other person then?
ok.



I just want to be able to play the game with my wife and not get thrown in with a 10-12 man group of meta humping tryhards.Why is that so difficult to understand?


The simple fact of the matter here is,You guys just want people to either play your way,be target practice for you....or gtfo.That pretty much cover it?

Not all 12 mans are meta humping tryhards though, and you wont always end up against a 12 man.

[El Bandito]

Fade Akira, on 04 July 2014 - 04:19 AM, said:

Not all 12 mans are meta humping tryhards though, and you wont always end up against a 12 man.

Yep, I have seen plenty of 12 mans just intentionally spamming fun builds such as Atlas-Ks or AC20 Ravens.

The problem is, since teamwork is what brings victory, the 12 man teams mostly stomp the other side anyway, regardless of build.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 July 2014 - 04:22 AM.