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[Carrioncrows]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 July 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

FTFY..we need to work on the brevity of your delivery, my friend.

Also, not any "epic story". I was actually describing exactly what I was doing in my "evil" lrmboat, while dropping with my unit in CGB yesterday (You might recall that lovely dual reticle we have?). One might call it "Mech Mayhem Multitasking" as it were, and was a repeat occurrence.

Whether you like something or not, has no bearing on their validity, skill or usefulness. There are many skilled uses for LRMs, and many skilled LRM users, whether you accept it, or not.

My story happened to. Why do you think there is a downed dropship on Frozen city.

Bishop, the point I am making is that nobody respects getting a kill with a LRMs. There is no version of this story that makes me want to applaud your usage of boating lrms.

"Wooooo....um...nice shot?"
No.
"Woooooooo....I held the icon on the guy until it turned red!!!"
No.

Your version is saved the day with LRM's.

If I was personally in the scout mech I would be pissed. All the hardwork invested only to have some guy casually launch a lrm slavo and get my kill? I would chalk that up to douchbaggery.

Yes LRM's are done completely wrong and I hate the way they work. I still use them on some of my mechs for lack of better options. But i would never consider bragging about getting a kill with them. Just like I would never consider bragging about riding a tricycle.

After turning a certain age, somethings just don't deserve praise.

[Sephlock]

Carrioncrows, on 10 July 2014 - 05:13 PM, said:

Bishop, the point I am making is that nobody respects getting a kill with a LRMs. There is no version of this story that makes me want to applaud your usage of boating lrms.

Because you = everybody.

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"Wooooo....um...nice shot?"
No.
"Woooooooo....I held the icon on the guy until it turned red!!!"
No.

Wooooo you clicked when the enemy was at the center of your screen!

Wooooo you made the same mental calculation that countless Battlefield players make many times a match, many times faster, and (in some cases) using a controller rather than a joystick!

Hell, look at this:

[Navid A1]

Carrioncrows, on 10 July 2014 - 05:13 PM, said:

My story happened to. Why do you think there is a downed dropship on Frozen city.

Bishop, the point I am making is that nobody respects getting a kill with a LRMs. There is no version of this story that makes me want to applaud your usage of boating lrms.

"Wooooo....um...nice shot?"
No.
"Woooooooo....I held the icon on the guy until it turned red!!!"
No.

Your version is saved the day with LRM's.

If I was personally in the scout mech I would be pissed. All the hardwork invested only to have some guy casually launch a lrm slavo and get my kill? I would chalk that up to douchbaggery.

Yes LRM's are done completely wrong and I hate the way they work. I still use them on some of my mechs for lack of better options. But i would never consider bragging about getting a kill with them. Just like I would never consider bragging about riding a tricycle.

After turning a certain age, somethings just don't deserve praise.

NO.
NO.

when i'm in my narc equipped ecm kitfox, I avoid firing at the enemy after marking a target (in order to stay hidden for the next target) for the EXACT reason of my lurm spammers being able to rain hell on target...

If you are not doing that.... you... are... not .... a.... SCOUT...!

Edited by Navid A1, 10 July 2014 - 05:33 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Carrioncrows, on 10 July 2014 - 05:13 PM, said:

My story happened to. Why do you think there is a downed dropship on Frozen city.

Bishop, the point I am making is that nobody respects getting a kill with a LRMs. There is no version of this story that makes me want to applaud your usage of boating lrms.

"Wooooo....um...nice shot?"
No.
"Woooooooo....I held the icon on the guy until it turned red!!!"
No.

Your version is saved the day with LRM's.

If I was personally in the scout mech I would be pissed. All the hardwork invested only to have some guy casually launch a lrm slavo and get my kill? I would chalk that up to douchbaggery.

Yes LRM's are done completely wrong and I hate the way they work. I still use them on some of my mechs for lack of better options. But i would never consider bragging about getting a kill with them. Just like I would never consider bragging about riding a tricycle.

After turning a certain age, somethings just don't deserve praise.

then you don't know our scout. He would not have been narcing things, if he didn't want lrm support. Team work man, I could care less if people respect it or not.

[1453 R]

I’m curious, CC – do you have an option or solution beyond “Take LRMs and Streak SRMs out of the game completely, and screw anything that uses them stock, and make this game about absolutely nothing ever whatsoever beyond direct fire?”

Because while I do understand your frothing nerdrage – to a point – you also need to kinda calm down a little bit. They wouldn’t have things like TAG, or NARC, or Artemis, or AMS, or all the other missile-centric equipment we’ve had for forever in tabletop if the game was meant to be played without missiles. And turning missiles into junky direct-fire weapons – and yes, requiring that players hold a direct, line-of-sight lock on someone 100% of the time, reticle-on-'Mech-period, to ‘guide the missiles home SKILLFULLY instead of NOOBISHLY’ is turning them into slow, imprecise, really bad direct-fire weapons – does not a solution make.

Chillax, dude. And stop TKing people. That’s seriously bad form, no matter how much you disagree with something.

Edited by 1453 R, 10 July 2014 - 05:55 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Carrioncrows, on 10 July 2014 - 05:13 PM, said:

My story happened to. Why do you think there is a downed dropship on Frozen city.

Bishop, the point I am making is that nobody respects getting a kill with a LRMs. There is no version of this story that makes me want to applaud your usage of boating lrms.

"Wooooo....um...nice shot?"
No.
"Woooooooo....I held the icon on the guy until it turned red!!!"
No.

Your version is saved the day with LRM's.

If I was personally in the scout mech I would be pissed. All the hardwork invested only to have some guy casually launch a lrm slavo and get my kill? I would chalk that up to douchbaggery.

Yes LRM's are done completely wrong and I hate the way they work. I still use them on some of my mechs for lack of better options. But i would never consider bragging about getting a kill with them. Just like I would never consider bragging about riding a tricycle.

After turning a certain age, somethings just don't deserve praise.

That is a faulty Generalization Carrion. I respect a kill no matter how it is accomplished, If the LRM slinger kills a mech I am tangling with I am grateful as it is now one less Mech for the enemy.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 10 July 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

That is a faulty Generalization Carrion. I respect a kill no matter how it is accomplished, If the LRM slinger kills a mech I am tangling with I am grateful as it is now one less Mech for the enemy.

Less Peen, more teamwork. It's why I joined a Unit. Go figure.

[Alexandrix]

I think the biggest problem with LRM's is that they can be indirectly fired without any special equipment.Once an enemy has you targeted it's "WARNING MISSILES INCOMING".

Either remove the indirect targeting without special equipment(tag/narc),or make the LRM accuracy garbage when indirectly firing without tag/narc.

[Carrioncrows]

1453 R, on 10 July 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

I’m curious, CC – do you have an option or solution beyond “Take LRMs and Streak SRMs out of the game completely,

Yes.

Ages ago and every post since then.

http://mwomercs.com/...rior-balancing/

1. I don't TK. Want to TK yes. Do I TK? No.

Joseph Mallan, on 10 July 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

That is a faulty Generalization Carrion. I respect a kill no matter how it is accomplished, If the LRM slinger kills a mech I am tangling with I am grateful as it is now one less Mech for the enemy.

And that is fine. When the point is to win sure. XXXX it, LRM away.

I prefer having fun. And LRM's are just not.

Bishop Steiner, on 10 July 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

Less Peen, more teamwork. It's why I joined a Unit. Go figure.

It's not about peen. It's about balance and fun.

Nobody likes being killed by someone that they can't strike back against.

And if you can it is because what they accomplished to do it, is difficult. Instead of some random fool with LOS to you.

Elevate the game to be MORE.

[Bishop Steiner]

Carrioncrows, on 10 July 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

Yes.

Ages ago and every post since then.

http://mwomercs.com/...rior-balancing/

1. I don't TK. Want to TK yes. Do I TK? No.




And that is fine. When the point is to win sure. XXXX it, LRM away.

I prefer having fun. And LRM's are just not.



It's not about peen. It's about balance and fun.

Nobody likes being killed by someone that they can't strike back against.

And if you can it is because what they accomplished to do it, is difficult. Instead of some random fool with LOS to you.

Elevate the game to be MORE.

war game. Elevating to be more, means dealing with it.

[Carrioncrows]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 July 2014 - 07:56 PM, said:

war game. Elevating to be more, means dealing with it.

No

It means caring enough about something to try and get it changed.

Educating people about the problem and showing them a viable solution.

The day comes when I just deal with it, is the day the game has jumped the shark and I have lost all interest and have moved on.

[Bishop Steiner]

Carrioncrows, on 10 July 2014 - 08:11 PM, said:

No

It means caring enough about something to try and get it changed.

Educating people about the problem and showing them a viable solution.

The day comes when I just deal with it, is the day the game has jumped the shark and I have lost all interest and have moved on.

Just because you don't like how something is done, doesn't mean it needs to be "fixed".

[Carrioncrows]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 July 2014 - 08:24 PM, said:

Just because you don't like how something is done, doesn't mean it needs to be "fixed".

That's the real pickle of it.

Some people are eating XXXX and calling it cake.

They just don't know how much better this game could be and it is a shame I lack the necessary communication skills to explain why that is.

Edited by Carrioncrows, 10 July 2014 - 08:37 PM.

[topgun505]

This has been brought up repeatedly. I can't say that I'm against it. If nothing else it would finally give Light mechs at least SOME kind of role. Aside from the indirect mechanics the only thing that I question for LRMs is just how bloody fast they lock on. It seems like all I have to do is peek around a corner for not even one full second and bitchin Betty is screaming already. And yes, that is with no spotters in the vicinity. It just amazes me how fast it happens. IMO if anything should be done maybe slightly increase the lock on time.

Oh ... and then do the spotting thing. Heck, if you implemented the spotting thing for indirect fire you could probably stand to increase LRM damage to compensate.

Alexandrix, on 10 July 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

I think the biggest problem with LRM's is that they can be indirectly fired without any special equipment.Once an enemy has you targeted it's "WARNING MISSILES INCOMING".

Either remove the indirect targeting without special equipment(tag/narc),or make the LRM accuracy garbage when indirectly firing without tag/narc.

[Warma]

Mcgral18, on 09 July 2014 - 05:34 PM, said:

It's not a bad mech, but nothing amazing. For 5 tons less, the ShadowCat will have 1 more ton of pod space while having more JJs and MASC.

This really, really bothers me. Shadow Cat will just obsolete many other mechs in every way, which is silly. Not allowing clan mechs update to endo/ferro is a mistake.

[Mcgral18]

Warma, on 11 July 2014 - 03:20 AM, said:

This really, really bothers me. Shadow Cat will just obsolete many other mechs in every way, which is silly. Not allowing clan mechs update to endo/ferro is a mistake.

Well, the Stormcrow will have more armor and pod space, but no JJs while the Nova will have 16 hardpoints, which the Shadowcat will never be able to reach.

The Nova can get a wider selection of hardpoints, but never reach the same amount of the Nova, or even the Stormcrow. A more versatile mech, but not outright better. Faster, but slightly less armor. Probably better hitboxes, which would make better use of that armor, on the other hand.

[Faith McCarron]

The biggest problem people have with the Nova is that they slap on lots of lasers and 4MGs, then play it like an Ember. It just doesnt have the speed and agility to play that way. You have to stick with your support, use cover, use your teammates, and vulture in for kills.

[Wispsy]

Faith McCarron, on 11 July 2014 - 06:00 AM, said:

The biggest problem people have with the Nova is that they slap on lots of lasers and 4MGs, then play it like an Ember. It just doesnt have the speed and agility to play that way. You have to stick with your support, use cover, use your teammates, and vulture in for kills.

I think you play it more like an SRM medium.

[RapierE01]

it would be nice to have the Nova C Pod (LT - Missile)

[Lootee]

The stock Prime plays like a champion HBK-4P except with 12 large lasers.

The same tactics work. Get lost in the crowd, peek, shoot and scoot.

The HBK is the training wheels version of the Nova. If you can do well in that you'll probably be fine in the Nova.

Edited by PanchoTortilla, 11 July 2014 - 06:42 AM.