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[XX Sulla XX]

Looks like the updated The Plan.

http://www.mwomercs.com/theplan


" Bryan Ekman @bryanekman · 2h

#MWO - The Plan - http://www.mwomercs.com/theplan
has been updated with latest CW and Map stats.
" https://twitter.com/bryanekman

Edited by XX Sulla XX, 11 July 2014 - 11:05 AM.

[Demoncard]

I was wondering when they planned on doing so. The clans were out for ages and they were still at the same % as before the release.

[spectralthundr]

58% on CW eh? Wonder if that's actual development or just design.

[Joseph Mallan]

That was not a Plan. A Plan would detail How they will get from kinda done to mostly done to complete. Its nice to see where they are at but if that is what they call a plan...

[Ngamok]

spectralthundr, on 11 July 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

58% on CW eh? Wonder if that's actual development or just design.

It's gone from paper napkin to Microsoft Project (or similar tool).

[stjobe]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 July 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

That was not a Plan. A Plan would detail How they will get from kinda done to mostly done to complete. Its nice to see where they are at but if that is what they call a plan...

Yeah, it's kind of silly to call a not-very-accurate-or-even-regularly-updated progress indicator a "plan".

It's also implemented in the same bass-ackwards way as UI 2.0, so it's really hard to get a good overview of things.

I mean, thanks for updating it, I guess, but you don't think you could make it a little easier to discern any useful data from? Or just make it follow basic UI guidelines like browser back button taking you to the previous page?

[Kibble]

eh.

[Mavairo]

That's a plan? BAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

Omg, if I built my project cars with that kind of "plan" listed out....


I'd have nothing but a pile of money spent and nothing to show for it other than a compilation of parts for my cars sitting around.

Sound familiar?

Edited by Mavairo, 11 July 2014 - 11:50 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

So I guess, because it was not done in the smoothest manner, or how community members approve, it would be better they post nothing?

[Rebas Kradd]

The only thing that's changed is the maps progress. Everything else is exactly where it was two months ago, and the New Player Experience is gone.

[Chemie]

who knew toggling cockpit glass was CW....

[Mavairo]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 July 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

So I guess, because it was not done in the smoothest manner, or how community members approve, it would be better they post nothing?

Honestly yes, it would.
Because that is so far from the least professional "Plan" that I can honestly think of short of using Crayons that it is actively discouraging.

Seriously man, think of any major project you've tackled. Did you EVER list something out so incredibly vague? Complete with completely subjective % figures? What's 50 percent? How MUCH is actually done?

Is this 50 percent in the way my 86 Z28 was 50 percent road ready when I bought it? (Where the substructure is straight, it has a full interior, and a non leaking engine, but NOTHING else?) or is this 50 percent done as in the core functionality is there, but the add ons, that make it smooth and user friendly, and bugs have not been smoothed out yet?

Or is this 50 done percent as in "well we have a list written up of what we want to do"

[Bishop Steiner]

Mavairo, on 11 July 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

Honestly yes, it would.
Because that is so far from the least professional "Plan" that I can honestly think of short of using Crayons that it is actively discouraging.

Seriously man, think of any major project you've tackled. Did you EVER list something out so incredibly vague? Complete with completely subjective % figures? What's 50 percent? How MUCH is actually done?

Is this 50 percent in the way my 86 Z28 was 50 percent road ready when I bought it? (Where the substructure is straight, it has a full interior, and a non leaking engine, but NOTHING else?) or is this 50 percent done as in the core functionality is there, but the add ons, that make it smooth and user friendly, and bugs have not been smoothed out yet?

Or is this 50 done percent as in "well we have a list written up of what we want to do"

I would say, logically, that each project has a completion date, and a project "window". So 50% would be they are, timewise, 50% done with said item. Thus if the project was expected to take 6 wks, they anticipate 3 weeks more til completion. Whether they have a specific line of code installed yet or not is irrelevant to the overall picture, and only matters to those working on the project. It is the normal way projects are specified. Even in crayons.

Considering the amount of QQ they get when they do something right, I can only imagine all the crying, complaining and second guessing they would get if they were giving this community a day to day summary log of each bit of programming, after which the "master programmers" who lurk these forms would then use every decision made as fuel to further deride the company.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 11 July 2014 - 11:58 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 July 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

So I guess, because it was not done in the smoothest manner, or how community members approve, it would be better they post nothing?

Well, if you say you got a plan, you should maybe actually outline what you are going to do>
We are working on X, Y & Z to have them complete (Hopefully) by November
that will get us ready to plug in G,H & I and then it should be ready to activate D,E & F.

That is a plan, Saying this stuff is 45% done and that stuff is 30% is a matrix not a plan.

So to me an my corporate 3 year plan experiences... Yes it would have been better to have said nothing. Then again I work in the auto industry in prototype... So everything i am doing NOW was planned 2 years ago.

[Noth]

Mavairo, on 11 July 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

Honestly yes, it would.
Because that is so far from the least professional "Plan" that I can honestly think of short of using Crayons that it is actively discouraging.

Seriously man, think of any major project you've tackled. Did you EVER list something out so incredibly vague? Complete with completely subjective % figures? What's 50 percent? How MUCH is actually done?

Is this 50 percent in the way my 86 Z28 was 50 percent road ready when I bought it? (Where the substructure is straight, it has a full interior, and a non leaking engine, but NOTHING else?) or is this 50 percent done as in the core functionality is there, but the add ons, that make it smooth and user friendly, and bugs have not been smoothed out yet?

Or is this 50 done percent as in "well we have a list written up of what we want to do"

Actually to consumers it is common to have plans be vague, because plans change and so forth. Actually in the company the plan is likely much more detailed, you know for the people actually working on it. This plan is simply done to show progress, not outline details. People complained that there was no updates on progress, so now there is one (granted, it could be updated more often). That is the main purpose of the plan page. It is not meant to outline details (that is what the command chair is for).

Joseph Mallan, on 11 July 2014 - 11:56 AM, said:

Well, if you say you got a plan, you should maybe actually outline what you are going to do>
We are working on X, Y & Z to have them complete (Hopefully) by November
that will get us ready to plug in G,H & I and then it should be ready to activate D,E & F.

That is a plan, Saying this stuff is 45% done and that stuff is 30% is a matrix not a plan.

So to me an my corporate 3 year plan experiences... Yes it would have been better to have said nothing. Then again I work in the auto industry in prototype... So everything i am doing NOW was planned 2 years ago.

You are looking at it as if we are actively part of the design process, thus need all that info. We are not. Thus no need for that stuff. I guarantee you than the auto industry doesn't give out detailed plans to lamens who have no hand in them on a forum.

Edited by Noth, 11 July 2014 - 12:01 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 July 2014 - 11:56 AM, said:

Well, if you say you got a plan, you should maybe actually outline what you are going to do>
We are working on X, Y & Z to have them complete (Hopefully) by November
that will get us ready to plug in G,H & I and then it should be ready to activate D,E & F.

That is a plan, Saying this stuff is 45% done and that stuff is 30% is a matrix not a plan.

So to me an my corporate 3 year plan experiences... Yes it would have been better to have said nothing. Then again I work in the auto industry in prototype... So everything i am doing NOW was planned 2 years ago.

Seems pretty simple. CW is 48% complete. Which line of code does not matter. As long as they are on their schedule, and no unexpected delays occur. If next week they feel they are 54% there, then I see progress, and that is sufficient.

[3rdworld]

UI 2.0 100%?

Sure, if you ignore how terrible it is.

[zhajin]

cw 58%. well that only took 2 years, so it should be done around the end of 2016?

and maps at 45% so what we have 10 maps (not counting variants) so by the time they are done with the game we will have 22 (with maybe 7 variants?).

clan 100% so they are completely done with clans and moving on to new things.

yeah these numbers are pretty much meaningless. how about a lit of actual goals what has been completed rather than meaningless numbers.

ps the break down of CW only includes on thing that is really CW and its only at 15%, the rest are just game features that should be in any modern online game or new content.

Edited by zhajin, 11 July 2014 - 12:08 PM.

[ztac]

If I made a chart like that at work.... I would get the sack .

They may as well have said nothing, IT tells you nothing ......

Considering CW was first being implemented back in Beta and here we are over 2 years on does that mean that they are just over half way to implementing CW? ... so another 2 years maybe?

Personally I would expect at the very least some basic outlines of what they are doing, and 48% on maps .. so we can expect maybe 6-7 new maps with alternate versions of those maps?

They could learn a lot from SC .. they take a lot of time to let the community know what is going on. A forum post costs nothing less than a bit of time to type it out. Also by letting the community know their plans they could get some valuable feedback
or ideas.

Edited by ztac, 11 July 2014 - 12:05 PM.

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

spectralthundr, on 11 July 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

58% on CW eh? Wonder if that's actual development or just design.

Design, the last 15-20% is actual development