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[Lanky]

Every time I try use my Heavy Metal, I feel sad.

I spent real money on it and it just keeps getting worse.

Gauss rifles are broken, large lasers have ghost heat, jump jets are worthless.

It can't fit an ac20, It can't fit an big enough engine to be a brawler, it is currently just a reminder not to spend more money on MWO.

That being said, is there are build that makes use of the Heavy Metal, that another mech can't do better?

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Even War Horns are better than Heavy Metal's "juke box". There's literally nothing unique or attractive about it anymore.

[Escef]

Are you honestly looking for options, or are you just looking for validation?

lockwoodx, on 19 July 2014 - 07:09 PM, said:

Even War Horns are better than Heavy Metal's "juke box". There's literally nothing unique or attractive about it anymore.

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Edited by Egomane, 20 July 2014 - 04:07 AM.
unconstructive

[Koniving]

Lanky, on 19 July 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

Every time I try use my Heavy Metal, I feel sad.

I spent real money on it and it just keeps getting worse.

Gauss rifles are broken, large lasers have ghost heat, jump jets are worthless.

It can't fit an ac20, It can't fit an big enough engine to be a brawler, it is currently just a reminder not to spend more money on MWO.

That being said, is there are build that makes use of the Heavy Metal, that another mech can't do better?

Brawler and more...

(Skip to 6:15 after seeing the intro unless you want to learn about the battlegrid as slowly as possible).





Compared to then, the AC/2 nerf has actually made the mech much colder which in turn has given it even more endurance even on Terra Therma. It's a non-stop, fast moving brawler that can run circle around a Dire wolf.

Edited by Koniving, 19 July 2014 - 07:26 PM.

[CyborgDragon]

I run my HM with 3 ML, 2 SRM6, 2 AC5, 3 JJs and a STD 310. I used to run 2 JJ and Artemis with the SRMs, but when they nerfed the rate of climb some time ago I downgraded to fit in another jumpjet. The slow climb rate I was fine with, its a brawler not a poptart, but with the latest change I just cant have fun with it anymore... you'd think the jumpjet class designed specifically for 90+ ton 'mechs would be able to handle a 90 ton 'mech

[Sephlock]

Lanky, on 19 July 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

Every time I try use my Heavy Metal, I feel sad.

I spent real money on it and it just keeps getting worse.

Gauss rifles are broken, large lasers have ghost heat, jump jets are worthless.

It can't fit an ac20, It can't fit an big enough engine to be a brawler, it is currently just a reminder not to spend more money on MWO.

That being said, is there are build that makes use of the Heavy Metal, that another mech can't do better?

Don't worry, ANOTHER nerf is coming.

[Deathlike]

It's an expensive Warhorn paperweight that has the flying power of a doorstop rock.

A Victor does its base job better... and the Stalker does a far better job with missiles.

Edited by Deathlike, 19 July 2014 - 08:02 PM.

[Lanky]

Escef, on 19 July 2014 - 07:10 PM, said:

Are you honestly looking for options, or are you just looking for validation?

I was really hoping someone would have some good point that I was missing.

[Carrioncrows]

x3 large lasers (Chainfire)
x2 AC5's (Chainfire)

x1 AC10
x3 Er large lasers
x2 LRM5's

X1 Gauss
x1 ERPPC
x2 ER larges

[Yokaiko]

lockwoodx, on 19 July 2014 - 07:09 PM, said:

Even War Horns are better than Heavy Metal's "juke box". There's literally nothing unique or attractive about it anymore.

I know, it was a monster when I first got a hold of it though, three llas,+ gauss, and a couple streaks or something and run around merrily jumpin-meh-assault mech and kicking ass.


Now.....ugh, I guess you could do dual PPCs and gauss or (dual AC5s) or something, but meh.

[Sephlock]

Lanky, on 19 July 2014 - 08:48 PM, said:

I was really hoping someone would have some good point that I was missing.

Nope. They're merely Regents of the Universe now.

[Lanky]

currently i am using smurfy-highlander

x3 large lasers (Chainfire)
x2 AC5's (Chainfire)
Have tried this, and found it too hot and you have to expose yourself to enemy fire for too long

x1 AC10
x3 Er large lasers
x2 LRM5's
I really don't think the extra heat is worth the extra range and only 2 LRM5's isn't enough to get through AMS or do much damage.

X1 Gauss
x1 ERPPC
x2 ER larges
That sounds terrible to get 3 long range weapons that have different speeds and styles to hit the same target.

[Lykaon]

Decent build I use now and again for the heavy metal HEAVY METAL


The twin AC5s give you some solid punch with 10 point concentrations of damage and long range (6.01 DPS alone with the twin ACs)

The twin SRM6s are excellent at exploiting any unarmored target areas

the triple med lasers are excellent at seeking exposed areas as well as keeping light mechs concerned with getting their legs sawn off.

3 jets are plenty for manuvering and capped armor for longevity in combat.

A modification according to taste would be to drop one DHS and a half ton of armor for an AMS and a ton of AMS ammo.

Edited by Lykaon, 20 July 2014 - 12:28 AM.

[Cyborne Elemental]

HGN is now just a Victor clone with half its maneuverability, and less survivable than an Atlas.

You might as well not even equip it with jets, because they're just not cost effective.

6 tons for 16 meters of lift, or 8 tons for 21 meters, thats 8 tons of slow useless nothing compared to the firepower you can pack for that amount.

The JJ nerf that was applied the first time pretty much crippled the mech as a viable Poptart even with full jets, the only halfway successful builds I saw were just missleboats.

Now with the 2nd round of JJ nerf applied to it, you can't even get off the ground with a single jet, and with 4 you're so slow to thrust and 12 second recharge from empty, its no benefit to maneuverability.

The 733-C is probably the only viable HGN left, because you have arm ballistics that can equip 2 UAC-5 or an AC-20, but still suffers from narrow arm arc.

Better off playing either a VIC, or an Atlas for that tonnage.

[Thorn Hallis]

lockwoodx, on 19 July 2014 - 07:09 PM, said:

Even War Horns are better than Heavy Metal's "juke box". There's literally nothing unique or attractive about it anymore.

Wait, what? Guitars over everything, especially over some dial-up modem sounds (nowadays called "Skrillex" or something).

[Lanky]

Lykaon, on 20 July 2014 - 12:20 AM, said:

Decent build I use now and again for the heavy metal HEAVY METAL


The twin AC5s give you some solid punch with 10 point concentrations of damage and long range (6.01 DPS alone with the twin ACs)

The twin SRM6s are excellent at exploiting any unarmored target areas

the triple med lasers are excellent at seeking exposed areas as well as keeping light mechs concerned with getting their legs sawn off.

3 jets are plenty for manuvering and capped armor for longevity in combat.

A modification according to taste would be to drop one DHS and a half ton of armor for an AMS and a ton of AMS ammo.

It looks interesting, though I don't see the point of a jump jet mech without using max jump jets, 3 just makes the reticule jump about.

That and I hate how the srm looks in the LRM slot, I might try something similar when MRM's are added.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Thorn Hallis, on 20 July 2014 - 02:42 AM, said:

Wait, what? Guitars over everything, especially over some dial-up modem sounds (nowadays called "Skrillex" or something).

I don't mind the guitars but they've definitely been trumped by newer shiny things imo.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Escef, on 19 July 2014 - 07:10 PM, said:

Will you just go away and stay away? Please?

LOL you wish! Sorry you're still having trouble sitting down from our last encounter sweetie, but even if I did decide to take a break from MWO it wouldn't help your ELO out.

Feel free to continue with the personal attacks/lies, I'll be right here to report and have those posts removed too.

Edited by lockwoodx, 20 July 2014 - 03:15 AM.

[Turist0AT]

You buy ANY mech. Prepared for it to be treated like Heavy Metal.

Wellcome to $ F2P Beta-kinda game $, no promises.

Edited by Turist0AT, 20 July 2014 - 03:17 AM.

[AlexEss]

Turist0AT, on 20 July 2014 - 03:15 AM, said:

You buy ANY mech. Prepared for it to be treated like Heavy Metal.

Funny, My YLW still work the very same way it did when i bought the day of it´s release... I wonder why...

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Oh thats right i did not buy it to fit in to the jump meta....

Any way i think it is a fairly strong consensus on the slight over-nerf on the Highlander but i am sure it will be looked at once someone have some time for it... Right now the IS vs Clan and general clan mech balance take precedence