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[Shredhead]

Gyrok, on 20 July 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

Trolling, Trolling, Trolling...

You have a very strange definition of trolling, bud. Whatever, come at me bro, you know where to find me I promise I'll be half sober at least next time, and in a 1v1 build... (This does not mean I am accusing you of anything for the last time, it was absolutely my fault not to ask if we take actual combat ready builds or duel builds.)

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Actually, regardless of who we face in the group queue 12-2 is a typical results when we run large groups. Some matches go 12-4 to 12-8, though infrequent, and once in a blue moon, we lose (typically loaded with new players and training on execution/movement/formation).

Except if you meet us <----- Trolling

Mystere, on 20 July 2014 - 11:38 AM, said:

Well then, I would like to see the numbers for this!

But then again, how was Elo-based selection during this "experiment"? Because if the "release valves" were wide open, then the results will be questionable at best.

I think it is possible for PGI to compare pilots with similar Elo in these games, as they have all the telemetry data.

[Sandpit]

Lefty Lucy, on 20 July 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

He said straight-up that the Clans had "the edge."

Of course, being PGI, they'll never share the actual data with us.

no, no he didn't. He said they weren't "over-nerfed" I dont' see where you're getting anythign else out of that? One of the biggest concerns for players wanting to buy the clan packs was that they'd be over-nerfed.

BoomDog, on 20 July 2014 - 12:54 PM, said:

These were pug matches. Based on the posts, many by clanners, IS was stomped into the ground repeatedly and overwhelmingly.

I admit though, 12 vs 12 premades would probably be very different. It'll be tricky to balance those two different arenas.

I haven't seen any reports. I've seen a few people in the same 4-5 threads showing the same 1-2 examples though

[Mystere]

Scratx, on 20 July 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

Twitter.

https://twitter.com/russ_bullock

Thanks. But that is not what I asked for.

My problem is that the sentence:

Clans had the edge however there are a few

looks cut. There are a few what exactly?

[Sandpit]

Mystere, on 20 July 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Thanks. But that is not what I asked for.

My problem is that the sentence:

Clans had the edge however there are a few

looks cut. There are a few what exactly?

having an edge is far from "OP" though
My Stalker build has an "edge" over brawler builds because of range.
LRM boats have an "edge" over direct fire weapons if they have a spotter
ECM mechs have an "edge" over LRM and SSRM mechs

[Shredhead]

Mystere, on 20 July 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Thanks. But that is not what I asked for.

My problem is that the sentence:

Clans had the edge however there are a few

looks cut. There are a few what exactly?

Dude: http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__3572991

[Mercules]

Mystere, on 20 July 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Thanks. But that is not what I asked for.

My problem is that the sentence:

Clans had the edge however there are a few

looks cut. There are a few what exactly?

Read the next tweet, it continues.

[Mystere]

Mercules, on 20 July 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

Read the next tweet, it continues.

Damn and ... duh! I really hate twitter. The "2/2" and "1/2" tags -- especially the order I was reading them -- really threw me off.

Thanks.

Having said that, then yes, I was right. The data was skewed by the IS being overrepresented by new players. But that should be easily fixed in any good analysis.

Shredhead, on 20 July 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

Dude: http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__3572991

See above. Also, ...

I (and anyone else for that matter) never ever saw myself as a "dude".

I really dislike (to put it ever so mildly) that word.

Edited by Mystere, 20 July 2014 - 02:46 PM.

[Sandpit]

which is why it would be nice if they used their dam CC area to post updates and info like that instead of solely relying on twitter.

Not to mention if they don't "like" you, you can't follow them and receive that information. It's ridiculous.

[Gyrok]

Shredhead, on 20 July 2014 - 01:35 PM, said:

You have a very strange definition of trolling, bud. Whatever, come at me bro, you know where to find me I promise I'll be half sober at least next time, and in a 1v1 build... (This does not mean I am accusing you of anything for the last time, it was absolutely my fault not to ask if we take actual combat ready builds or duel builds.)

Except if you meet us <----- Trolling

I think it is possible for PGI to compare pilots with similar Elo in these games, as they have all the telemetry data.

Bah, I was well intoxicated myself...lol...all in good fun

[Thunderfrog]

Viktor Drake, on 20 July 2014 - 09:39 AM, said:

I think it is relevant to be honest. If I find myself going head-to-head with Clan mechs in my IS mech and I find that I don't have an issue defeating them, then saying, "I kill clan mechs all the time in my IS mech" is a very valid argument and extremely relevant to the discussion.

The issue is context. In addition to saying I kill Clan mechs all the time in my IS mech, I need to explain in what context and go on to explain that I am fighting clan mechs solo and winnning. Once I add the context, then the fact I am killing Clan mechs becomes significant.

Maybe you are just that good? Maybe that guy you squared with took some hits earlier in the battle? Maybe you outweigh him? I'd be willing to say the number of times you come up across a clan mech of the same tonnage built for all-map fighting at 100% and you two fight with 0 interference can be counted on one hand.

Edit: Not to mention at even skill level

Edited by Thunderfrog, 20 July 2014 - 04:47 PM.

[Sephlock]

Thunderfrog, on 19 July 2014 - 07:26 PM, said:

"I kill clan mechs all the time in my IS mech/get killed by IS mechs all the time!"

[Lefty Lucy]

Thunderfrog, on 20 July 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

Maybe you are just that good? Maybe that guy you squared with took some hits earlier in the battle? Maybe you outweigh him? I'd be willing to say the number of times you come up across a clan mech of the same tonnage built for all-map fighting at 100% and you two fight with 0 interference can be counted on one hand.

Edit: Not to mention at even skill level

Yep, individual performance only matters for balance insomuch as it's a data point for broader performance metrics.

[Thunderfrog]

Lefty Lucy, on 20 July 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

Yep, individual performance only matters for balance insomuch as it's a data point for broader performance metrics.

I guess that's my point, summed up with more sciency words.

[Zerberus]

Sandpit, on 20 July 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

....

that's not what he said.... or even implied...

You know modern humans and their incapacity for logical thought, a la: "If the light`s not red, then it must be green", "if he`s not moving and his eyes are closed, he must be dead", "If there'S no train on teh tracks that I can see, there's no way one couldf possiböly hit me (at night in the fog)"

As you can see, there`s a good reason that there are more candidates for the Darwin Awards than the Nobel Prizes, and critical thinking is not it.

Either that or colors have been banned in schools and only black and white are allowed to be used anymore...

BoomDog, on 20 July 2014 - 10:33 AM, said:

Yeah, there was even a Clanner that pointed out that they stomped IS 3 games in a row. He said the best the IS did was 12-2.

I think it's pretty obvious the balance is off simply because PGI can do clan vs. IS, but they aren't.

Which "They" was he specifically referring to?

Because if he meant "Me and my buddy who are grouped up", then his statement is completely worthless with regards to this discussion, because onlky the solo queue was the option to set "Clan .vs IS", for many obvious ( and some less obvious) reasons.