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[Thunderfrog]

I don't care which side you are on in the "Clan Mechs OP debate.", but stop with..


"I kill clan mechs all the time in my IS mech/get killed by IS mechs all the time!"

This is completely irrelevant with so many other factors at play, especially mixed Clan/IS teams. It makes me want to punch raccoons.

[Sephlock]

Thunderfrog, on 19 July 2014 - 07:26 PM, said:

I don't care which side you are on in the "Clan Mechs OP debate.", but stop with..


"I kill clan mechs all the time in my IS mech/get killed by IS mechs all the time!"

This is completely irrelevant with so many other factors at play, especially mixed Clan/IS teams. It makes me want to punch raccoons.

Then hearing "I die to Clan mechs because I can't understand the concept of torso twisting and am below the intellectual level required to play even a simple NES game*" must make you want to Shoryuken wombats, huh?
*Seriously, like every single simple game out there has the same basic pattern of "wait for them to finish firing, THEN attack", with "stare them down while mashing the attack button" being a losing strategy.

[Undercover Brother]

In the end, the play style, mechanics, and pros and cons are all different between I.S. and Clan mechs. Some players' stlyes just match up better with I.S. equip (mainly those who can fight as a team, and like SPEED), and some work better with CLAN equip (Long-range, direct-fire, slower, and can "Lone wolf" better) Either way, a good player, or a group of good players will always come out on top, no matter what they use.

And yes, I'm gonna end with one of your least favorite comments:
I can kill Kit Foxes to Dire Wolves all day in my Shadowhawks...
But I can also kill Locusts to Atlases all day in my Timberwolf.

[Tezcatli]

Well we'll find out soon enough when they do the IS versus Clan event.

[Joseph Mallan]

Tezcatli, on 20 July 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Well we'll find out soon enough when they do the IS versus Clan event.

There's going to be an Event?

[Tezcatli]

Joseph Mallan, on 20 July 2014 - 07:59 AM, said:

There's going to be an Event?

That's what Russ said on the NGNG podcast.

[Joseph Mallan]

Goody!

[Zerberus]

Tezcatli, on 20 July 2014 - 08:15 AM, said:

That's what Russ said on the NGNG podcast.

Npot really.. He said he has the OPTION to set the solo queue to clan vs IS, not that he was planning to ever do so.. though admittedly it was kind of implied..

But Implied and "said" are 2 different things entirely, and a large part of why many are so consistently disappointed.. they read /hear what they want to, not what was actually said

[Lefty Lucy]

Of course they actually did run an experiment yesterday where the solo queue was set to Clan vs. IS and most reports were that the I.S. got stomped almost every game.

[Jman5]

People need to understand that just because something is overpowered does not mean it wins every game or every engagement. A built in advantage for one mech, or weapon might confer a 2% increase in wins over his peers. That is still overpowered and worth investigating.

I too get really sick of this "I killed clan mechs therefore your argument is null and void." No it's not you just don't understand that overpowered ≠ auto win. It means statistically more wins over a period of time than a control group (IS mechs).

[Joseph Mallan]

Lefty Lucy, on 20 July 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Of course they actually did run an experiment yesterday where the solo queue was set to Clan vs. IS and most reports were that the I.S. got stomped almost every game.

In accordance with the prophecy.

[Tezcatli]

Zerberus, on 20 July 2014 - 08:24 AM, said:

Npot really.. He said he has the OPTION to set the solo queue to clan vs IS, not that he was planning to ever do so.. though admittedly it was kind of implied..

But Implied and "said" are 2 different things entirely, and a large part of why many are so consistently disappointed.. they read /hear what they want to, not what was actually said

Yeah he says they have the ability to do it. But also says that they foresee doing a weekend event of IS versus clans. He didn't explicitly say when. But it's something they intend to do. He even says they need to know how IS teams will stand up to Clan teams.

Edited by Tezcatli, 20 July 2014 - 08:33 AM.

[Sandpit]

Lefty Lucy, on 20 July 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Of course they actually did run an experiment yesterday where the solo queue was set to Clan vs. IS and most reports were that the I.S. got stomped almost every game.

That's like going to the national enquirer for your daily news lol

[Xarian]

I don't think you understand what the word "irrelevant" means.

It is most certainly relevant; it is connected to the discussion, and is strongly related to it. It's called anecdotal evidence, and is generally considered a weak way of providing weight to an argument.

You're just arguing that the Clan vs IS experiment needs to be more tightly controlled, which is true; until that's possible, however, you have to take what you can get.

[Scratx]

I don't think they're going to have much luck with getting good data off an ISvClan weekend if all the newbies in trial mechs will be limited to one side.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Thunderfrog, on 19 July 2014 - 07:26 PM, said:

I don't care which side you are on in the "Clan Mechs OP debate.", but stop with..


"I kill clan mechs all the time in my IS mech/get killed by IS mechs all the time!"

This is completely irrelevant with so many other factors at play, especially mixed Clan/IS teams. It makes me want to punch raccoons.

I think it is relevant to be honest. If I find myself going head-to-head with Clan mechs in my IS mech and I find that I don't have an issue defeating them, then saying, "I kill clan mechs all the time in my IS mech" is a very valid argument and extremely relevant to the discussion.

The issue is context. In addition to saying I kill Clan mechs all the time in my IS mech, I need to explain in what context and go on to explain that I am fighting clan mechs solo and winnning. Once I add the context, then the fact I am killing Clan mechs becomes significant.

Edited by Viktor Drake, 20 July 2014 - 09:39 AM.

[Mcgral18]

Lefty Lucy, on 20 July 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Of course they actually did run an experiment yesterday where the solo queue was set to Clan vs. IS and most reports were that the I.S. got stomped almost every game.

I didn't even get the chance to stomp the Clans in my Banshee....

[Shredhead]

Quote

Russ Bullock ‏@russ_bullock 19. Juli
1/2 The test went pretty well. We launched 132 matches in our brief test that was IS vs Clans. Clans had the edge however there are a few
Russ Bullock ‏@russ_bullock 19. Juli
2/2 factors at play like watching brand new players naturally use IS mechs only add the fact that more experienced players bought clans
Russ Bullock ‏@russ_bullock 19. Juli
We have some things to consider, but it's looking like no the clans are not over nerfed. Looking forward to the next test.

but it's looking like no the clans are not over nerfed.
but it's looking like no the clans are not over nerfed.

Way to say "I think they might indeed be OP"
Back-paddling, back-paddling, back-paddling...

[COOL HANDS]

I guess we will see what the real results are after it's all said and done.

[Sandpit]

Shredhead, on 20 July 2014 - 09:51 AM, said:

Way to say "I think they might indeed be OP"
Back-paddling, back-paddling, back-paddling...

....

that's not what he said.... or even implied...