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[Prezimonto]

Prezimonto, on 30 July 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

What we need is a lobby system for Private matches.

Add that if you're playing with "stock mech rules" you can earn cbills, and I'd be happy.

Lobby + cbills for stock mech private matches.

Sandpit, on 30 July 2014 - 07:55 PM, said:

that would be a great idea. Lobbies would actually solve a few of the MM issues in general. They would make private matches more popular, and they would help generate revenue for premium private matches.

I'd love to see a stock option for private matches. Click a "stock" button, no other game details can be adjusted, earn cbills and exp. That gives players more options, doesn't degrade queue wait times, doesn't allow for players to adjust settings in a private match to exploit it for cbill gains, and makes it easier in general.

I might also suggest that to earn cbills you need to launch with at least 8 or 10 players into a stock mech game. That would end run most of the farming issues as you'd need essentially at least 6 or 7 people will to be bored for your farming... or that many accounts running the background.

A secondary simple solution would be to limit accounts at an IP address to say 5 at a time, unless you can verify your IP as a university, or legitimate place of business (internet cafe, ect...)

Edited by Prezimonto, 30 July 2014 - 08:18 PM.

[Sandpit]

Prezimonto, on 30 July 2014 - 08:07 PM, said:

I might also suggest that to earn cbills you need to launch with at least 8 or 10 players into a stock mech game. That would end run most of the farming issues as you'd need essentially at least 6 or 7 people will to be bored for you're farming... or that many accounts running the background.

A secondary simple solution would be to limit accounts at an IP address to say 5 at a time, unless you can verify your IP as a university, or legitimate place of business (internet cafe, ect...)

I suggested limiting accounts once before but never got anywhere with it. If a person wants multiple accounts for a household then PGI could easily set up a process to allow that and then monitor those accounts to make sure they aren't being sued for farming.
OR
They could make sure that in any match where rewards are earned the players on the same IP must be on the same team together.

[Joseph Mallan]

I have multiple accounts and I would welcome some checks and balances if they were necessary.

[Sandpit]

Joseph Mallan, on 30 July 2014 - 09:05 PM, said:

I have multiple accounts and I would welcome some checks and balances if they were necessary.

Mekwars campaign server simply made all alt accounts have a forum account and play in the same faction. That way they couldn't throw games to alter planetary control. It worked out fairly well even in its heyday when we had a few hundred regular players goin on. It really was a great campaign model. Everything worked really well. There were always grumbles about the RNG and earnings and such but really it was very well done.
There were consequences for getting into huge battles with all your prettiest mechs. Nothing pissed you off more than having your (and trust me when I say that there? Mechs were SCARCE and by that I mean if you had a handful of "good" units because this is pure stock designs campaign, you were a fearsome beast) 2/3 pilot in that beautiful Awesome-8Q taken out by a lucky shot from long range needing a 12 to hit, THEN losing that mech to your opponent in salvage! ARRRGHHHH

but you know what? It made you play tactically and strategically. By that I mean it meant you thought well ahead of just your match. What planets did you need to take over? What planets did you need to retake? Who were you allied with this week? Do I want to run a few cheap recon missions to build up some cash first? Do I have a strong enough foothold here to risk a full on capitol assault with 16 of me best mechs and pilots?

All of that had to be at least remotely considered. The casual players goofed and played what they wanted. CW players paid attention and accounted for those guys and planned accordingly. Good times

[Sybreed]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 July 2014 - 05:17 PM, said:

I like both types of matches... the game does not NEED to seperate the Que to achieve it.

the thing is, private matches are extremely inconvenient and ineffective. Stock matches were the only things I played in the may/june (I got sick of the mechlab), but because I work every pretty much every night, I always missed the set periods where they set up the matches.

Plus, setting just one match usually took between 5-10 minutes, which was highly ineffective and wasted a lot of time. In short, private matches are too rare and take too much time to set up to be an attractive option for me. They also require a TS channel to make happen, which makes it feel like we're back in 2004 or something.

In short, I stopped playing :S I just visit from time to time to see what's going on, but I lost interest even in the forums.

Edited by Sybreed, 31 July 2014 - 06:02 AM.

[DAYLEET]

Sandpit, on 25 July 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

private matches

I want a button that would switch my gear for me, a matchmaker stock queue would accomplish that.

[PANZERKAT]

There should be a stock mech feature, but to save time, if you are dropping with a modded mech in Stock Mech Challenge, it automatically reverts your mech to its stock load out for that match when you load in. If it's fairly easy to do it without having to manually change things around, it would be more popular.

[Sandpit]

DAYLEET, on 31 July 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

I want a button that would switch my gear for me, a matchmaker stock queue would accomplish that.

yes it would

separate queues for the others asking for it would solve their issues as well.
CW given a separate queue would solve new players getting defaulted in

There's lots of things that would make it easier for players to do some things, that doesn't mean those are feasible though.

Adding a "strip to stock" option of some kind to the private match and adding a lobby system would also solve that without having to dilute the queues and increase wait times to ridiculous levels. New queue would though.

Sybreed, on 31 July 2014 - 06:02 AM, said:

the thing is, private matches are extremely inconvenient and ineffective. Stock matches were the only things I played in the may/june (I got sick of the mechlab), but because I work every pretty much every night, I always missed the set periods where they set up the matches.

Plus, setting just one match usually took between 5-10 minutes, which was highly ineffective and wasted a lot of time. In short, private matches are too rare and take too much time to set up to be an attractive option for me. They also require a TS channel to make happen, which makes it feel like we're back in 2004 or something.

In short, I stopped playing :S I just visit from time to time to see what's going on, but I lost interest even in the forums.

I can understand that as well, but that doesn't mean it would be feasible or "good" for the community as a whole

[PANZERKAT]

Yes, it's not good for the community. Without those dedicated stock people playing in normal drops, there are less mechs for custom rigs to stomp. See how bad it is for the community?

[DAYLEET]

Sandpit, on 31 July 2014 - 08:44 AM, said:

yes it would

separate queues for the others asking for it would solve their issues as well.
CW given a separate queue would solve new players getting defaulted in

There's lots of things that would make it easier for players to do some things, that doesn't mean those are feasible though.

Adding a "strip to stock" option of some kind to the private match and adding a lobby system would also solve that without having to dilute the queues and increase wait times to ridiculous levels. New queue would though.

How would stock queue dilute the game more than private match?

[Sandpit]

KOMMISSAR KITTY, on 31 July 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

Yes, it's not good for the community. Without those dedicated stock people playing in normal drops, there are less mechs for custom rigs to stomp. See how bad it is for the community?

ok whatever, notice how some of us are having an adult conversation and discussing ideas on how to implement the Op idea without using an alternate queue and you are just saying "nuh uh" which do you think is more productive?

DAYLEET, on 31 July 2014 - 08:57 AM, said:

How would stock queue dilute the game more than private match?

It dilutes the public queue. It would create a scenario where players are expecting PGI to pay for unused servers because no matter how much you might want to think otherwise the "stock" crowd is not large enough to support multiple full servers required to support an entire queue which PGI has specifically pointed to for not just doing what you're suggesting. I mean I dont' know how else to explain "It can't happen right now" and then give logical, realistic reasons as to why a separate queue wouldn't work based on PGI's own statements.

It's not a matter of "want", it's a matter of "can't" right now. No amount of "but I really really like it" can change that. So notice how some of us have turned to conversation to other alternatives for getting this game mode going?

[PANZERKAT]

Sandpit, on 31 July 2014 - 09:02 AM, said:

ok whatever, notice how some of us are having an adult conversation and discussing ideas on how to implement the Op idea without using an alternate queue and you are just saying "nuh uh" which do you think is more productive?


It dilutes the public queue. It would create a scenario where players are expecting PGI to pay for unused servers because no matter how much you might want to think otherwise the "stock" crowd is not large enough to support multiple full servers required to support an entire queue which PGI has specifically pointed to for not just doing what you're suggesting. I mean I dont' know how else to explain "It can't happen right now" and then give logical, realistic reasons as to why a separate queue wouldn't work based on PGI's own statements.

It's not a matter of "want", it's a matter of "can't" right now. No amount of "but I really really like it" can change that. So notice how some of us have turned to conversation to other alternatives for getting this game mode going?

Well if the people stating it would "hurt" the community detail their thoughts, perhaps others would give a damn instead of chalking it up to hyperbole. Reality. It's been chalked up to hyperbole.

[Sandpit]

KOMMISSAR KITTY, on 31 July 2014 - 09:10 AM, said:

Well if the people stating it would "hurt" the community detail their thoughts, perhaps others would give a damn instead of chalking it up to hyperbole. Reality. It's been chalked up to hyperbole.

ok...

maybe you should go back through an read my posts?

If there was enough support, I could see PGI considering this, but 6 pages and 10 or so people wanting it, is not enough support.

[DAYLEET]

Servers are not locked into one game mode, you can rent servers and change it on the fly as you play. In AA and BF i saw it happen all the times. The matchmaker would just allocate 24 dudes in a server with the appropriate settings, dont need new stuff.

[Sandpit]

DAYLEET, on 31 July 2014 - 09:15 AM, said:

Servers are not locked into one game mode, you can rent servers and change it on the fly as you play. In AA and BF i saw it happen all the times. The matchmaker would just allocate 24 dudes in a server with the appropriate settings, dont need new stuff.

That's not what PGI wants to do though. Now if you can change their minds go for it, but all I'm doing is pointing out why there's not a stock queue, why you can't just add multiple queues for every game mode everyone wants, why PGI set up private matches, and why you'd need a LOT more support than this thread to get that changed.

[DAYLEET]

Sandpit, on 31 July 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

That's not what PGI wants to do though. Now if you can change their minds go for it, but all I'm doing is pointing out why there's not a stock queue, why you can't just add multiple queues for every game mode everyone wants, why PGI set up private matches, and why you'd need a LOT more support than this thread to get that changed.

Seeing how lots of simple stupid things never got fixed ill go with "PGI dont want to spend time coding". My Grid Iron is still listed as a Champion. One day a typo will slide in the Title Screen and it will stay there for eons.

[Sandpit]

DAYLEET, on 31 July 2014 - 09:28 AM, said:

Seeing how lots of simple stupid things never got fixed ill go with "PGI dont want to spend time coding". My Grid Iron is still listed as a Champion. One day a typo will slide in the Title Screen and it will stay there for eons.

different issue entirely lol and I don't entirely disagree with that thought either but it is what it is.

[General Taskeen]

I just want to earn c-bills man. I haven't played custom mode in a couple months, not Battle Tech immersive enough for me. So in other words, i have no way to earn new 'Mechs, except with MC... is that PGI's plan all along for stock players? Bleed them dry.

Also it may seem like the stock community is 'small' to some mainly because this is the main English speaking section. The Germans and Russians are way more invested in Stock Battle Tech than the English community, but they count towards the whole. But there is no way of knowing how much larger it could grow from the casual crowd if they simply have a mode button to click on, no TS required, just drop and "earn."

I will also not be able to participate in "CW" because it will not be like Stock games of MPBT3025, its just Solaris Arena warfare to me with Super Mechs and people screaming that they are the true lords of Solaris Arena Innersphere. And if there is nothing that keeps me invested by that magical feeling of "earning" than my interest will dissipate pretty fast with MWO as it already has. The previous games just kept my interest way longer with so many options/modes and ways to play those games :\.

Edited by General Taskeen, 31 July 2014 - 09:59 AM.

[Sandpit]

General Taskeen, on 31 July 2014 - 09:56 AM, said:

I just want to earn c-bills man. I haven't played custom mode in a couple months, not Battle Tech immersive enough for me. So in other words, i have no way to earn new 'Mechs, except with MC... is that PGI's plan all along for stock players? Bleed them dry.

Also it may seem like the stock community is 'small' to some mainly because this is the main English speaking section. The Germans and Russians are way more invested in Stock Battle Tech than the English community, but they count towards the whole. But there is no way of knowing how much larger it could grow from the casual crowd if they simply have a mode button to click on, no TS required, just drop and "earn."

I will also not be able to participate in "CW" because it will not be like Stock games of MPBT3025, its just Solaris Arena warfare to me with Super Mechs and people screaming that they are the true lords of Solaris Arena Innersphere. And if there is nothing that keeps me invested by that magical feeling of "earning" than my interest will dissipate pretty fast with MWO as it already has. The previous games just kept my interest way longer with so many options/modes and ways to play those games :\.

uhm you can earn rewards in free private matches sir

if the community wanting stock queues is that big then organize them, get some support going in this thread and show PGI otherwise.
As it stands right now, use free private matches and play to your heart's content. Join a stock league and play to your heart's content. You have options

[TygerLily]

Give it up guys. There's no way Sandpit will change his mind despite your valid points.