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[Jack Corban]

Joseph Mallan, on 27 July 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

Your answer

Not really.

[Sandpit]

Jack Corban, on 29 July 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

Not really.

yes, really

you really think this game would survive six separate queues?
solo
group
casual solo
competitive solo
stock
lights only
those are all serious requests for separate queues over the last 2 weeks.

Sorry, this game cannot support a fracture in the playerbase like that. Most of those queues would wind up being pointless anyhow. there wouldn't be enough players in queues like that to support them. Nor would there be enough players wanting that to warrant PGI taking resources away from other projects. Like it or not, the game simply cannot support that kind of queue selection and that's exactly why you have private matches.

[AlmightyAeng]

Jack Corban, on 25 July 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

If people finnaly stoped blocking this motion and say stuff like do privat matches.
And people would finally accept that there is poeple out there that want a different experience.
Then PGI at some point would maybe pick this up.
Its not like we are suggesting to get rid of the general matchmaking.
We just wish for a Matchmaking where we can run Stock.
I don't see how that is hurting anyone.

Jack, people aren't 'blocking' it. We've asked PGI for this. A lot. Their response?

"Private matches."

Enjoy your answer, PGI doesn't care about you.

You are Jack's unrequited stock need.

[Jack Corban]

Sandpit, on 29 July 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

yes, really

you really think this game would survive six separate queues?
solo
group
casual solo
competitive solo
stock
lights only
those are all serious requests for separate queues over the last 2 weeks.

Sorry, this game cannot support a fracture in the playerbase like that. Most of those queues would wind up being pointless anyhow. there wouldn't be enough players in queues like that to support them. Nor would there be enough players wanting that to warrant PGI taking resources away from other projects. Like it or not, the game simply cannot support that kind of queue selection and that's exactly why you have private matches.

The only queue that has any reason to be implemented is Stock. all those other queues are sorry to say that stupid wishes.
Stock actually brings somthing to the game. The rest of these just don't

[Sandpit]

Jack Corban, on 29 July 2014 - 11:35 AM, said:

The only queue that has any reason to be implemented is Stock. all those other queues are sorry to say that stupid wishes.
Stock actually brings somthing to the game. The rest of these just don't

because that's the queye that's important to YOU. The other queues mentioned are just as important to the players who asked for them as well. Stock isn't any more important or "special" than the others requested, it;s just more important to the people who want that particular queue

That' YOUR opinion, the ones asking for those queues would say the same thing.

Private matches

[Jack Corban]

Sandpit, on 29 July 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

because that's the queye that's important to YOU. The other queues mentioned are just as important to the players who asked for them as well. Stock isn't any more important or "special" than the others requested, it;s just more important to the people who want that particular queue

That' YOUR opinion, the ones asking for those queues would say the same thing.

Private matches

Yeah you know me and others have tried to tell you why privat matches especially as they are dependend on Premium to set them up correctly is not an option. All you do is say "Privat Matches" thats does not make this argument go away.

Edited by Jack Corban, 29 July 2014 - 02:20 PM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Won't happen, too much playerbase fracture to sustain, lengthening que times which they are currently trying to reduce.

[terrycloth]

Put them in the same queue. One of the checkboxes.

Conquest
Skirmish
Assault
Stock
All [whatever mech size your selected mech is]

Then it would just happen to people at random and put some more variety in the game.

(I bet 'All Heavy' would fire off really quickly)

Edited by terrycloth, 29 July 2014 - 02:34 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Jack Corban, on 29 July 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

Yeah you know me and others have tried to tell you why privat matches especially as they are dependend on Premium to set them up correctly is not an option. All you do is say "Privat Matches" thats does not make this argument go away.

And does not make Pit's statement on importance any less true. None of the listed Sub Ques are at all important to me. At all or in the least. Some would be nice to have, yours included, but needed is... situational.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 29 July 2014 - 05:06 PM.

[Sandpit]

Jack Corban, on 29 July 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

Yeah you know me and others have tried to tell you why privat matches especially as they are dependend on Premium to set them up correctly is not an option. All you do is say "Privat Matches" thats does not make this argument go away.

no amount of "i don't want to use the system PGI set up so that I could play in a PRIVATE manner outside of the PUBLIC rules" negates the fact that the player base cannot and will not support the splitting of queues that you and everyone else is asking for and this is exactly why the private match servers were set up in the first place. No amount of opinionated arguing is going to trump the fact that there are simply not enough players to support that many fractures and no amount of "MY queue idea is more important than THEIR queue idea" (which incidentally, they're saying about you as well and all the others as well) is going to get around the fact that just because a small splinter section of the population wants to think that THEIR idea is more "important" than the other guys' ideas doesn't mean it's what's best for the ENTIRE game population. It's really that simple.

I can understand your wants being high on the list and wanting it to be considered "legitimate", but in this particular case it's simply not physically logistically possible to have so many queues. Then you throw in that man are speculating a new queue is coming with CW anyhow adding yet another large (i'm willing to bet that that "CW crowd" is at least as big as your "stock only crowd") rift in the player base. There's simply no way it can physically happen.

[Jack Corban]

Yeah if they implemented a Stock que all it would do is give us the possibility to play classic Mechwarrior. As most people don't want that they would not miss in general queue so its really a non issue you are trying to blow up here. The only queue that would probably be long is the Stock queue. And you know what i would be ok with that. Just as i am ok with the fact that getting into historic battle in War Thunder takes longer then finding a arcade battle.

Again you say you arn't against the idea but really all you do is painting everything black and saying oh its gonna bring about the endtimes.

You're a bag full of Blah Blah and hot air Sandpit.

Edited by Jack Corban, 29 July 2014 - 03:29 PM.

[Sandpit]

Jack Corban, on 29 July 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

Yeah if they implemented a Stock que all it would do is give us the possibility to play classic Mechwarrior. As most people don't want that they would not miss in general queue so its really a non issue you are trying to blow up here. The only queue that would probably be long is the Stock queue. And you know what i would be ok with that. Just as i am ok with the fact that getting into historic battle in War Thunder takes longer then finding a arcade battle.

Again you say you arn't against the idea but really all you do is painting everything black and saying oh its gonna bring about the endtimes.

You're a bag full of Blah Blah and hot air Sandpit.

sure thing hoss

that's the typical response when someone is arguing from an emotional standpoint and someone impartially points out why their idea can't work and offers suggestions on how to be able to customize the game to their liking. gpclose tho

[BourbonFaucet]

My question is, how much of the playerbase would we lose if we simply permabanned all the poptart metanerds? How big is this monster that causes the desire for a stock queue?

It's not a serious request, I'm just curious as to how many people are actually using the pinpoint meta that makes the game worse for people looking for variety. It stops being a "valid playstyle" the moment it ruins the experience for the other gamers.

Edited by Techorse, 29 July 2014 - 05:00 PM.

[General Taskeen]

Sandpit, on 29 July 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

yes, really

you really think this game would survive six separate queues?
solo
group
casual solo
competitive solo
stock mode is best mode
lights only
those are all serious requests for separate queues over the last 2 weeks.

Sorry, this game cannot support a fracture in the playerbase like that. Most of those queues would wind up being pointless anyhow. there wouldn't be enough players in queues like that to support them.

Sorry to say, but your argument seems like a cop-out.

No evidence of fracturing player base or that it can't survive with Stock Mode, just hearsay. It could even grow and bring players back that grew tired of the 'sameyness' of Customization Mode.

I'm pretty sure MW4 survived with "dedicated servers" and each one was catered differently, for over a decade. Mech Warrior 3 and 4 survived with a host of different server options, including Stock Mode.



Let's break it down why Stock is good for the game, and won't fracture the player base:

• The nature of this game is "f2p" and is heavily geared towards having to customize your 'Mech just to survive and earn XP and C-Bills, thus
  
• A Stock mode gives new players a chance to playin a mode, where they don't have to worry about spending tons of C-Bills to customize spending huge amounts on XL engines or other upgrades, and allows players to practice more with heat management and ammo conservation [In other words the Mech variant they buy can be used straight out of the box in a game mode designed for it if they wish]
  
• It gives people a chance to see and learn more about Classic Battle Tech, in a slower-paced, more tactical, and longer TTK game-play
  
• Can potentially teach new comers more about the canon and why Classic designs are built the way they are [What's this variant/loadout? When was it made? Who mostly fielded it?]
  
• More 'Mechs can be used and fielded, where-as some 'Mechs are more redundant and obsolete in Customization Mode, where 'Mechs have a more clearly defined role in Stock Mode
  
• Potential monetization for PGI by releasing missing stock variants [that may be redundant in customization mode] and/or missing Custom variants

The longer TTK and tactical game-play alone is overall far better than seeing Non-Canon designs slapping on the same kinds of load-outs across different 'Mechs and huge-alpha low TTK game-play.




Perhaps Solaris customization fans are scared that a lot of people will actually like a Stock Mode.

The game even lets you buy a 'Mech in its a stock format and yet barely warns new players what will happen if they try to use it in a mode not designed for it.

Edited by General Taskeen, 29 July 2014 - 05:01 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

I like both types of matches... the game does not NEED to seperate the Que to achieve it.

[Sandpit]

General Taskeen, on 29 July 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:

Sorry to say, but your argument seems like a cop-out.

No evidence of fracturing player base or that it can't survive with Stock Mode, just hearsay. It could even grow and bring players back that grew tired of the 'sameyness' of Customization Mode.

I'm pretty sure MW4 survived with "dedicated servers" and each one was catered differently, for over a decade. Mech Warrior 3 and 4 survived with a host of different server options, including Stock Mode.



Let's break it down why Stock is good for the game, and won't fracture the player base:

• The nature of this game is "f2p" and is heavily geared towards having to customize your 'Mech just to survive and earn XP and C-Bills, thus
  
• A Stock mode gives new players a chance to playin a mode, where they don't have to worry about spending tons of C-Bills to customize spending huge amounts on XL engines or other upgrades, and allows players to practice more with heat management and ammo conservation [In other words the Mech variant they buy can be used straight out of the box in a game mode designed for it if they wish]
  
• It gives people a chance to see and learn more about Classic Battle Tech, in a slower-paced, more tactical, and longer TTK game-play
  
• Can potentially teach new comers more about the canon and why Classic designs are built the way they are [What's this variant/loadout? When was it made? Who mostly fielded it?]
  
• More 'Mechs can be used and fielded, where-as some 'Mechs are more redundant and obsolete in Customization Mode, where 'Mechs have a more clearly defined role in Stock Mode
  
• Potential monetization for PGI by releasing missing stock variants [that may be redundant in customization mode] and/or missing Custom variants

The longer TTK and tactical game-play alone is overall far better than seeing Non-Canon designs slapping on the same kinds of load-outs across different 'Mechs and huge-alpha low TTK game-play.





Perhaps Solaris customization fans are scared that a lot of people will actually like a Stock Mode.

The game even lets you buy a 'Mech in its a stock format and yet barely warns new players what will happen if they try to use it in a mode not designed for it.

you aren't getting it, it has nothing to do with my personal opinion of it. You're trying to "justify" a stock queue. I've simply told you the reality of that. It's gotten nothing to do with whether I'd like it or not, it's got to do with it simply cannot be supported right now. It can't. I'm not talking about "fracturing" a playerbase, I'm talking about simple math that doesn't support the idea of more separate queues and the dedicated servers and cost associated with that.

PGI set up private servers for small groups to play in customized settings. To offset the cost of having to do with "not always full" servers, they attached the fees. That's the realistic pragmatic and impartial view of the entire situation.

[Joseph Mallan]

The Only fee I know of for Stock is for customizing the Que (less than 12 per team, Tonnage max, et al) but if you have 2 12 mans that wanna play stock, you can do it free IIRC.

[Sandpit]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 July 2014 - 05:17 PM, said:

I like both types of matches... the game does not NEED to seperate the Que to achieve it.

exactly

Joseph Mallan, on 29 July 2014 - 05:20 PM, said:

The Only fee I know of for Stock is for customizing the Que (less than 12 per team, Tonnage max, et al) but if you have 2 12 mans that wanna play stock, you can do it free IIRC.

and this

[Prezimonto]

What we need is a lobby system for Private matches.

Add that if you're playing with "stock mech rules" you can earn cbills, and I'd be happy.

Lobby + cbills for stock mech private matches.

[Sandpit]

Prezimonto, on 30 July 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

What we need is a lobby system for Private matches.

Add that if you're playing with "stock mech rules" you can earn cbills, and I'd be happy.

Lobby + cbills for stock mech private matches.

that would be a great idea. Lobbies would actually solve a few of the MM issues in general. They would make private matches more popular, and they would help generate revenue for premium private matches.

I'd love to see a stock option for private matches. Click a "stock" button, no other game details can be adjusted, earn cbills and exp. That gives players more options, doesn't degrade queue wait times, doesn't allow for players to adjust settings in a private match to exploit it for cbill gains, and makes it easier in general.