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[Jman5]

Wintersdark, on 03 August 2014 - 08:00 AM, said:

I'll explain this yet again.

What happens is this: I have multiple small children. Small children very often require attention for some reason or another right now and for an undetermined amount of time. They require a measure of attention at all times, too.

My gaming PC is in the living room, because the only way I can game at all is when I can also watch children. So, any gaming I do here is done around the rest of my family, so I'm also talking to my wife and kids all the time too. This does make Teamspeak awkward at times (tracking multiple conversations is a PITA while gaming). If a baby has fallen asleep, talking is right the hell out (because YOU DO NOT WAKE THE BABY.) Or if they're watching a movie, it's hard for me to hear people talking and god help them if I queue up my mic.

I also work shiftwork. 7am-7pm, 7pm-7am, rotating weekly, or 7am-3pm, 3pm-11pm, 11pm-7am rotating weekly. While the shifts change weekly, they don't often follow a set pattern. I work roughly half my weekends.

So, I can friend people, and get a drop, sometimes two, then I inevitably need to drop group for some random amount of time from a couple minutes to until next tuesday.

So, yeah, I can get some group drops in, but it's such a pain in the ass and I'm also as a result a bit of a pain in the ass for the group in question, that it's often easier to just play solo.

With the new group system, it really isn't a big deal if you have to drop after a match or two. It's not like this is a job where you're supposed to be there during office hours 5 days a week. Just show up whenever for however long you want. As far as teamspeak, most people wont really care if you can't or wont speak.

You're making this seem way harder than it is.

[Madw0lf]

Willard Phule, on 03 August 2014 - 05:55 AM, said:

Remember, since the matchmaker was re-written, the better you are....the more new players you're expected to carry.

That's PGI's answer to "new player content," apparently. Why bother to spend resources teaching new players how to actually play the game when you can put them into the shark tank and let the other people deal with them? As long as they give us a few bucks, we're happy. Right?

Hey man, I realize I basically gave you that kill, but you really gotta stop being so hard on your self, you'll get better eventually

[Wintersdark]

Bishop Steiner, on 03 August 2014 - 08:12 AM, said:

It is what was asked for. But having a checkbox, to drop solo only, or be open to be used in whatever queue was fastest, solo or team, would be kinda nice.

To be fair, THIS mostly solo player has from the start been begging for a "Lemme drop in the organized queue" checkbox - even back when we were first asking for an unrestricted queue

Jman5, on 03 August 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

With the new group system, it really isn't a big deal if you have to drop after a match or two. It's not like this is a job where you're supposed to be there during office hours 5 days a week. Just show up whenever for however long you want. As far as teamspeak, most people wont really care if you can't or wont speak.

You're making this seem way harder than it is.

It's definitely better than it was with the 4-man limit. In those cases, I pretty much couldn't group at all, now i can get a few quality group matches in exactly as you suggest.

Still, it's a pain in the ass, and because of shift work and playing at truly random hours - this week, I may play in the evenings, next week maybe at 8am after work, the week after that it's all go 3am robot stomping!

I've got a large friends list, and a couple groups I tend to hang with, but it is still a much bigger pain in the ass than you'd think.


Edit: And I say this because it's a reality I've lived with for a long time, and rotation shiftwork included that I've dealt with for as long as there have been multiplayer online games.

I *love* playing in groups, and prefer it when possible, but seriously - if you're a 20something guy with just a girlfriend (feel free to swap genders about at random) and/or 9-5 (or any regular hours) job, you have no idea what an enormous pain in the ass it can be.

Edited by Wintersdark, 03 August 2014 - 08:26 AM.

[Screech]

Join a team?

I have no problem with PGI letting solo folks drop in the group queue but acting like you can't get into the group queue currently with a minimal amount of effort is pretty laughable.

Though it would stop the need to QQ about it.

[Wintersdark]

Screech, on 03 August 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Join a team?

I have no problem with PGI letting solo folks drop in the group queue but acting like you can't get into the group queue currently with a minimal amount of effort is pretty laughable.

Though it would stop the need to QQ about it.

See my above posts.

[Bront]

Wintersdark, on 03 August 2014 - 08:00 AM, said:

I'll explain this yet again.

What happens is this: I have multiple small children. Small children very often require attention for some reason or another right now and for an undetermined amount of time. They require a measure of attention at all times, too.

My gaming PC is in the living room, because the only way I can game at all is when I can also watch children. So, any gaming I do here is done around the rest of my family, so I'm also talking to my wife and kids all the time too. This does make Teamspeak awkward at times (tracking multiple conversations is a PITA while gaming). If a baby has fallen asleep, talking is right the hell out (because YOU DO NOT WAKE THE BABY.) Or if they're watching a movie, it's hard for me to hear people talking and god help them if I queue up my mic.

I also work shiftwork. 7am-7pm, 7pm-7am, rotating weekly, or 7am-3pm, 3pm-11pm, 11pm-7am rotating weekly. While the shifts change weekly, they don't often follow a set pattern. I work roughly half my weekends.

So, I can friend people, and get a drop, sometimes two, then I inevitably need to drop group for some random amount of time from a couple minutes to until next tuesday.

So, yeah, I can get some group drops in, but it's such a pain in the ass and I'm also as a result a bit of a pain in the ass for the group in question, that it's often easier to just play solo.

There are plenty of groups that are willing to work around that. Heck, last night I dropped with a large group where I had to drop out twice due to family obligations for a match and then join back up, and we have a few other players who regularly mute their mic while playing for various reasons (technical or personal). As has been said, the new matchmaker makes groups much more dynamic.

[Wintersdark]

Bront, on 03 August 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

There are plenty of groups that are willing to work around that. Heck, last night I dropped with a large group where I had to drop out twice due to family obligations for a match and then join back up, and we have a few other players who regularly mute their mic while playing for various reasons (technical or personal). As has been said, the new matchmaker makes groups much more dynamic.

It does help, to be sure. But when you can't reliably play at the same time as other players, it's much harder. I'll be able to play with a group regularly for a week. This week, for example, I've had a blast with an awesome group of guys and got lots of group games in. Next week, though, I'll be at work during the time they're awake and at home. I'll be surprised if I can get one game in with any of them.


Never done 24/7 shift work before, have you?

[Sandpit]

Wintersdark, on 03 August 2014 - 08:48 AM, said:

It does help, to be sure. But when you can't reliably play at the same time as other players, it's much harder. I'll be able to play with a group regularly for a week. This week, for example, I've had a blast with an awesome group of guys and got lots of group games in. Next week, though, I'll be at work during the time they're awake and at home. I'll be surprised if I can get one game in with any of them.


Never done 24/7 shift work before, have you?

that's my problem at the moment. I have time to play, just not in streaks. I may only have time for 2-3 quick games at a time and then I'm off again for a bit. Solo option into group queue would still allow me to drop with groups.

[Wintersdark]

Sandpit, on 03 August 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:

What I'm saying is that the suggestion is valid, even if you feel their personal reason for requesting it isn't.

There's a LOT of solo players who actualyl liked having groups drop alongside them for a myriad of reasons. It was asked for when group queue was initially announced. It's not something that would split the playerbase, has any negative impacts, and only has an upside to offer more options to players.

I know I might have sounded a bit harsh but it gets old when someone makes a request and just because it isn't "liked" by some, it tries to get dismissed like what you said. It's a valid request. There's a LOT of players who want this. Both group and solos.

Exactly. And in fact it would really help the group queue, particularly for larger groups, as it can be wierd to fill space.

For example, an 8 man group drops: The matchmaker can ONLY match them with a 4-man group, or 2 2-man groups. 9 man group? Only a 3-man group can fill that space.

Solo players in the group queue (100% by opt-in!!) help the MM make much more balanced matches, better utilizing Elo and helping to keep 3/3/3/3 in play as much as possible.

We ran a 3-man Assault group last night, and we had a bunch of matches with 5-6 assaults because there apparently weren't any other 3-man groups dropping, so the MM's only option was to drop us with 9-man groups.

With solo players in the queue, the group MM's accuracy would increase vastly.

[GoManGo]

Sandpit What I'm saying is that the suggestion is valid, even if you feel their personal reason for requesting it isn't.

There's a LOT of solo players who actualyl liked having groups drop along side them for a myriad of reasons. It was asked for when group queue was initially announced. It's not something that would split the playerbase, has any negative impacts, and only has an upside to offer more options to players.

I know I might have sounded a bit harsh but it gets old when someone makes a request and just because it isn't "liked" by some, it tries to get dismissed like what you said. It's a valid request. There's a LOT of players who want this. Both group and solos.
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Look the Solo battles have never been better and the group mm is great also works as intended putting groups back in the solo MM would not be beneficial to the game or new-casual players. Texass wants what we have been all asking for for 3 years now a true chat/lobby system where he/she could drop in 1v1-12v12 battles in true competitive leagues when he/she wants to truly see how competitive he/she is.

I truly understand his/hers point of view as I would like to many times call out a player for a 1v1 match or play in a group to achieve a actual goal in a league and win a cup or something to make MWO a valid meta game. And his/her desire to play players that can give him/her a run for there money so to speak is a valid point.

But PGI will never understand MechWarrior or what makes it truly fun=(CHAT/LAUNCHER LOBBYS & LEAGUES) like the old MSN GAMMING ZONE was maybe the next MechWarrior game will get it right.

Edited by GoManGo, 03 August 2014 - 08:57 AM.

[Sandpit]

Wintersdark, on 03 August 2014 - 08:52 AM, said:

Exactly. And in fact it would really help the group queue, particularly for larger groups, as it can be wierd to fill space.

For example, an 8 man group drops: The matchmaker can ONLY match them with a 4-man group, or 2 2-man groups. 9 man group? Only a 3-man group can fill that space.

Solo players in the group queue (100% by opt-in!!) help the MM make much more balanced matches, better utilizing Elo and helping to keep 3/3/3/3 in play as much as possible.

We ran a 3-man Assault group last night, and we had a bunch of matches with 5-6 assaults because there apparently weren't any other 3-man groups dropping, so the MM's only option was to drop us with 9-man groups.

With solo players in the queue, the group MM's accuracy would increase vastly.

it also adds in 11man groups which means you can group anywhere from 2-12. I just don't understand PGI's (and some players') resistance to this idea.

[Wintersdark]

Sandpit, on 03 August 2014 - 08:57 AM, said:

it also adds in 11man groups which means you can group anywhere from 2-12. I just don't understand PGI's (and some players') resistance to this idea.

Me either. There was even resistance to it in the original requests for a unrestricted/group queue, and it was equally baffling there too.

The vast majority of solo players would remain in the Solo queue, so it's not going to suffer. As such, none of those who opt-in to the group queue would be particularly missed. The group queue would benefit enormously, so there's obviously no harm there.

I just do not understand at all why people feel there's a problem.

It honestly seems that they just get angry because Other People Are Having Fun Wrong. Or they're just needlessly argumentative, or painfully stupid. Regardless, after all this time, I've yet to see a single argument that isn't one of the above "reasons".

Edited by Wintersdark, 03 August 2014 - 09:01 AM.

[Sandpit]

GoManGo, on 03 August 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:

Sandpit What I'm saying is that the suggestion is valid, even if you feel their personal reason for requesting it isn't.

There's a LOT of solo players who actualyl liked having groups drop along side them for a myriad of reasons. It was asked for when group queue was initially announced. It's not something that would split the playerbase, has any negative impacts, and only has an upside to offer more options to players.

I know I might have sounded a bit harsh but it gets old when someone makes a request and just because it isn't "liked" by some, it tries to get dismissed like what you said. It's a valid request. There's a LOT of players who want this. Both group and solos.
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Look the Solo battles have never been better and the group mm is great also works as intended putting groups back in the solo MM would not be beneficial to the game or new-casual players. Texass wants what we have been all asking for for 3 years now a true chat/lobby system where he/she could drop in 1v1-12v12 battles in true competitive leagues when he/she wants to truly see how competitive he/she is.

I truly understand his/hers point of view as I would like to many times call out a player for a 1v1 match or play in a group to achieve a actual goal in a league and win a cup or something to make MWO a valid meta game. And his/her desire to play players that can give him/her a run for there money so to speak is a valid point.

But PGI will never understand MechWarrior or what makes it truly fun=(CHAT/LAUNCHER LOBBYS & LEAGUES) like the old MSN GAMMING ZONE was maybe the next MechWarrior game will get it right.

your posts are REALLY hard to read. Do you know how to quote? It will make your posts much easier to read through if you use than when you want to respond directly to someone's post. Just pick the post you're wanting to reply to and hit the "Quote" button

I think PGI will not enact somethign like this until there's enough support for it. That's historically how they work. You have to get just about a threadnaught going and keep it on topic and constructive (which most OPs just don't want to bother doing because honestly it cna be a lot of work tending to a thread like that and keeping it relavent). I don't mean 5 pages, we're talking 20+ pages of constructive feedback and support.

Wintersdark, on 03 August 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

Me either. There was even resistance to it in the original requests for a unrestricted/group queue, and it was equally baffling there too.

The vast majority of solo players would remain in the Solo queue, so it's not going to suffer. As such, none of those who opt-in to the group queue would be particularly missed. The group queue would benefit enormously, so there's obviously no harm there.

I just do not understand at all why people feel there's a problem.

It honestly seems that they just get angry because Other People Are Having Fun Wrong.

I think it would actually act as a really good bridge for players who are wanting to find a group, see what all the fuss is about, try a different playstyle, etc.

[GoManGo]

SANDPIT(your posts are REALLY hard to read. Do you know how to quote? It will make your posts much easier to read through if you use than when you want to respond directly to someone's post. Just pick the post you're wanting to reply to and hit the "Quote" button)

Blame PGI they are so lazy they don't even fix there forums so users can use the functions like the Quote button? As a user and consumer running WIN8.1 and IE11 why should I have to install another browser to use there crappy forums?Answer is I should not have to and they should be catering to the users needs and fix there dam forums to work with WIN8.1 and IE11.

[Sandpit]

GoManGo, on 03 August 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

SANDPIT(your posts are REALLY hard to read. Do you know how to quote? It will make your posts much easier to read through if you use than when you want to respond directly to someone's post. Just pick the post you're wanting to reply to and hit the "Quote" button)

Blame PGI they are so lazy they don't even fix there forums so users can use the functions like the Quote button? As a user and consumer running WIN8.1 and IE11 why should I have to install another browser to use there crappy forums?Answer is I should not have to and they should be catering to the users needs and fix there dam forums to work with WIN8.1 and IE11.

because the problem is with IE, not the forums. I had same issue on my tablet that runs windows 8.1. It's an IE issue, not the forums. Post in the bugs subsection, there's a fix to it involving IE but I can't remember what it was. So no, don't blame PGI for this one lol Blame Microsoft. (which is ironic given the license of the IP)

[Wintersdark]

GoManGo, on 03 August 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

SANDPIT(your posts are REALLY hard to read. Do you know how to quote? It will make your posts much easier to read through if you use than when you want to respond directly to someone's post. Just pick the post you're wanting to reply to and hit the "Quote" button)

Blame PGI they are so lazy they don't even fix there forums so users can use the functions like the Quote button? As a user and consumer running WIN8.1 and IE11 why should I have to install another browser to use there crappy forums?Answer is I should not have to and they should be catering to the users needs and fix there dam forums to work with WIN8.1 and IE11.

Try a browser that sucks less? Like... well, any other browser?

[Sandpit]

Wintersdark, on 03 August 2014 - 09:15 AM, said:

Try a browser that sucks less? Like... well, any other browser?

pretty much this

[GoManGo]

sandpit(because the problem is with IE, not the forums. I had same issue on my tablet that runs windows 8.1. It's an IE issue, not the forums. Post in the bugs subsection, there's a fix to it involving IE but I can't remember what it was. So no, don't blame PGI for this one lol Blame Microsoft. (which is ironic given the license of the IP)


Bullcrapp almost 99% of the sites I go to WIN8 and IE11 work why is that? Because they knew there was a problem and they fixed there web sites to work so users did not have to monkey around with there software to make it work. I swear PGI is the same group as the MekTek group and have the same mind set.

Let everything ride on the backs of the users and take no responsibility when things don't work as intended and never fix them to make it easier for the user.

P.S I love my WIN8.1 and IE11 no need to hate

Edited by GoManGo, 03 August 2014 - 09:20 AM.

[Sarsaparilla Kid]

Wintersdark, on 03 August 2014 - 08:52 AM, said:

Exactly. And in fact it would really help the group queue, particularly for larger groups, as it can be wierd to fill space.

For example, an 8 man group drops: The matchmaker can ONLY match them with a 4-man group, or 2 2-man groups. 9 man group? Only a 3-man group can fill that space.

Solo players in the group queue (100% by opt-in!!) help the MM make much more balanced matches, better utilizing Elo and helping to keep 3/3/3/3 in play as much as possible.

We ran a 3-man Assault group last night, and we had a bunch of matches with 5-6 assaults because there apparently weren't any other 3-man groups dropping, so the MM's only option was to drop us with 9-man groups.

With solo players in the queue, the group MM's accuracy would increase vastly.

This...having solo players fill in the holes in the group queue would allow the MM to better balance Elo between teams. The units I run with are generally not competitive, but we are constantly being pitted against the competitive players. The Elo balancing in the group queue is not very evident, as the MM has to worry too much about adding various groups to fill in the 12 spots and then balance the weight classes between teams. After that, it has too little wiggle room to balance Elo, it seems. Yes, please...let's allow single players in the group queue.

[Sandpit]

GoManGo, on 03 August 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

sandpit(because the problem is with IE, not the forums. I had same issue on my tablet that runs windows 8.1. It's an IE issue, not the forums. Post in the bugs subsection, there's a fix to it involving IE but I can't remember what it was. So no, don't blame PGI for this one lol Blame Microsoft. (which is ironic given the license of the IP)


Bullcrapp almost 99% of the sites I go to WIN8 and IE11 work why is that? Because they knew there was a problem and they fixed there web sites to work so users did not have to monkey around with there software to make it work. I swear PGI is the same group as the MekTek group and have the same mind set.

Let everything ride on the backs of the users and take no responsibility when things don't work as intended and never fix them to make it easier for the user.

P.S I love my WIN8.1 and IE11 no need to hate

Your acknowledgement of the issue doesn't make it any less true.

Let me repeat one more time
slowly

I had the EXACT SAME PROBLEM

now you can either do what I explained to you is a solution
or
you can keep arguing with me about the issue and how I'm wrong even though I went through the exact same thing and fixed it. Choice is yours. Can we get back ON TOPIC now?