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[rageagainstthedyingofthelight]

The stats on the IS vs Clan queues came in with clan wining 90% of the time. 90%.

So I thought I'd start a thread where everyone who said Clan mechs weren't more powerful could apologize, you know, to keep it all in one place. You were wrong, there's no shame in that, but you were wrong.

[Mcgral18]

Can I try again with competent teammates? Still managed 2 victories, and 5 losses.

Out of 84 IS pilots, 52 failed to deal 200 damage. Only 7 (C) mechs from all 7 matches.

Out of 84 Clan pilots, only 26 failed to deal 200 damage. This is from my 7 matches alone. You mind getting those details from all of them?


More testing is coming on the 15th, with gimped cERLLs.

Edited by Mcgral18, 07 August 2014 - 08:44 PM.

[El Bandito]

More importantly, the average Elo difference between Clan and IS drops were not as big as people claimed. 90 Elo difference is pretty small. That overwhelming 90% victory must mean there were more to Clan advantage than just pilot skills.

Sorry Mcgral, PGI has all the numbers. As incompetent as their balance director is, I have to trust their numbers, more than personal records of individual player. Here is straight from Russ' tweet:

Edited by El Bandito, 07 August 2014 - 09:53 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

rageagainstthedyingofthelight, on 07 August 2014 - 08:41 PM, said:

The stats on the IS vs Clan queues came in with clan wining 90% of the time. 90%.

So I thought I'd start a thread where everyone who said Clan mechs weren't more powerful could apologize, you know, to keep it all in one place. You were wrong, there's no shame in that, but you were wrong.

At least I don't have to apologize. I said they aren't powerful enough! At this point in Canon, Clans were winning 100% of the battles. Ergo I am right.

[DaZur]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 August 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:

At least I don't have to apologize. I said they aren't powerful enough! At this point in Canon, Clans were winning 100% of the battles. Ergo I am right.

But...but....but... What about MW:O pillow-fight edition?

[Kutfroat]

Mcgral18, on 07 August 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

Can I try again with competent teammates? Still managed 2 victories, and 5 losses.

Out of 84 IS pilots, 52 failed to deal 200 damage. Only 7 (C) mechs from all 7 matches.

Out of 84 Clan pilots, only 26 failed to deal 200 damage. This is from my 7 matches alone. You mind getting those details from all of them?


More testing is coming on the 15th, with gimped cERLLs.

i knew this would come again. of course in 90% of matches there were only incompetent noobs online in IS mechs, exclusively. allways sitting in the

i myself easily deal 300-500 damage or even more in my kitfox, and get around 2 kills every match (that was in mixed matches). it is since the clan introduction my best mech. i struggle to do so good consistently with my IS mediums...

[Joseph Mallan]

DaZur, on 07 August 2014 - 08:52 PM, said:

But...but....but... What about MW:O pillow-fight edition?

What... you know players will complain cause I will bring a body pillow vs their king bed pillow and demand a Range Nerf!

[BourbonFaucet]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 August 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

What... you know players will complain cause I will bring a body pillow vs their king bed pillow and demand a Range Nerf!

Just pray that certain pillows which I won't name don't become the meta.

[Mcgral18]

Kutfroat, on 07 August 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

i knew this would come again. of course in 90% of matches there were only incompetent noobs online in IS mechs, exclusively. allways sitting in the

i myself easily deal 300-500 damage or even more in my kitfox, and get around 2 kills every match (that was in mixed matches). it is since the clan introduction my best mech. i struggle to do so good consistently with my IS mediums...

Well, 62% of the players did fail to get the pathetic damage of 200...

I'll be trying again the 15th. Private matches and gimped cERLLs should make it much easier.

[Joseph Mallan]

Techorse, on 07 August 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

Just pray that certain pillows which I won't name don't become the meta.

Oh Dude!

[BourbonFaucet]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 August 2014 - 08:56 PM, said:

Oh Dude!

Too far?

[Joseph Mallan]

Techorse, on 07 August 2014 - 08:57 PM, said:

Too far?

Never... Unless you get banned.

[Wolfways]

A small group of experienced players in clan mechs beat a big group of new/inexperienced players in IS mechs?!

Sad to see that there's such a small percentage of decent IS players though

[BourbonFaucet]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 August 2014 - 08:57 PM, said:

Never... Unless you get banned.

Oh yes, pillow jokes are skirting danger! :3

[Sandpit]

who cares? not like Paul listens to anything we say anyway lol

[Wolfways]

Techorse, on 07 August 2014 - 08:59 PM, said:

Oh yes, pillow jokes are skirting danger! :3

Lady pillows?

[Ultimax]

Mcgral18, on 07 August 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

Can I try again with competent teammates? Still managed 2 victories, and 5 losses.

Out of 84 IS pilots, 52 failed to deal 200 damage. Only 7 (C) mechs from all 7 matches.

Out of 84 Clan pilots, only 26 failed to deal 200 damage. This is from my 7 matches alone. You mind getting those details from all of them?


More testing is coming on the 15th, with gimped cERLLs.

And nearly every clan team is almost guaranteed to have at least 1 ECM unit.

Every clan team is guaranteed to have an assault that is 85 tons or higher, and very likely to have multiple 100 ton assaults.

Every clan team is highly likely to have 75 ton heavy and at minimum 70 ton heavy, and guaranteed at minimum 50 ton mediums.

Every clan team is guaranteed to have 30 and 35 ton psuedo mediums.


No 60 ton heavies, no 25 ton lights, no 40 ton mediums with "machine gun crit seeker" nonsense builds, no trial mechs.


There's more to the story than "clan weapons", hopefully this weekend will be cleaner and more useful testing.

[LordKnightFandragon]

DaZur, on 07 August 2014 - 08:52 PM, said:

But...but....but... What about MW:O pillow-fight edition?

The new CLL is MW:O pocket laser edition....those little key chain lasers? cuz 2seconds to deal the 11dmg? Or did they secretly nerf that to?

[Jman5]

Wolfways, on 07 August 2014 - 08:58 PM, said:

A small group of experienced players in clan mechs beat a big group of new/inexperienced players in IS mechs?!

Sad to see that there's such a small percentage of decent IS players though

Sorry but this was debunked by PGI.

They accounted for Elo differentials and it was still insanely out of wack. Going by skill it should have been 60/40 worst case scenario. The fact that it was 90/10 means there is imbalance.

Edited by Jman5, 07 August 2014 - 09:08 PM.

[John1352]

Question: Why do players get less than 200 damage?
Answer: They were killed before they were able to do 200 damage.

Why: Clans have superior weapons, heatsinks, engines, endo steel, ferro fibrous and AMS.