33 replies to this topic

[kosmos1214]

i dont know any 1 with 1 and i want to see them in mwo


edit for spelling mistake

Edited by kosmos1214, 23 August 2014 - 04:17 PM.

[Dakkaface]

kosmos1214, on 14 August 2014 - 01:19 PM, said:

but i dont want a battle master i want a marauder a rifleman and a Valkyrie

Dawnstealer, on 11 August 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:

Also, I still want to do a kickstarter to buy the damn license from Harmony Gold so I can have my damn Archer, Warhammer, and Marauder.

Mech42Ace, on 08 August 2014 - 10:31 PM, said:

Yep, I really wish Harmony gold didn't file the suit against Fasa,
For one:
The unseen Ral Partha mechs go for an obscene amount on evilbay, which drastically decreases my chance of owning one of the designs

Guys. You can shortly buy several of the Unseen, at least for CBT purposes. Robotech Tactics is also 1/285 scale, so you can at least get the Archer, Rifleman, Warhammer, Longbow, & Crusader in the right size and in plastic for slightly less than Iron Wind Metals minis. Unfortunately the Ost-series, the Marauder and Behemoth are way too big, and the Veritechs are a little large for the Wasp/Phoenix Hawk.

Have a comparison pic with the Hellbringer & Summoner from the 25th anniversary box side by side with the RT:T Tomahawk/Warhammer.

[kosmos1214]

nice thanks and your right they do look very close in size good to know
thank you and all who replied at this point in time

[Mech42Ace]

Dear god... That's awesome!! I am so bookmarking this topic and the link provided!

Thanks guys!

Regards,
Ace

[Pht]

I dunno if this is neat or disgusting in the extreme.

HG thinks they own ALL macross and derviative stuff outside of japan because of one stupid US judge, when the company they got their rights from has been determined to NOT have the rights to all macross derviatives...

and we're happy to get unseens from them in return for ... rewarding their behavior with money.

Laugh?

Cry?

?????????

[Mech42Ace]

Yea I geuss so, and did you know that they deliberately chose 1/285 scale so that players can "mix and match between universes" I think that's very sleazy of Harmony Gold, because not only do they have the numbers of the Robotech fans that want these, and the battletech players that have always wanted the unseen mechs who have never gotten the chance to own them in TT scale. That is essentially targeting BT players like me :/ Nice work Harmony Gold...

Edited by Mech42Ace, 04 September 2014 - 08:21 AM.

[Dakkaface]

Pht, on 04 September 2014 - 07:47 AM, said:

I dunno if this is neat or disgusting in the extreme.

HG thinks they own ALL macross and derviative stuff outside of japan because of one stupid US judge, when the company they got their rights from has been determined to NOT have the rights to all macross derviatives...

and we're happy to get unseens from them in return for ... rewarding their behavior with money.

Laugh?

Cry?

?????????

Mech42Ace, on 04 September 2014 - 08:20 AM, said:

Yea I geuss so, and did you know that they deliberately chose 1/285 scale so that players can "mix and match between universes" I think that's very sleazy of Harmony Gold, because not only do they have the numbers of the Robotech fans that want these, and the battletech players that have always wanted the unseen mechs who have never gotten the chance to own them in TT scale. That is essentially targeting BT players like me :/ Nice work Harmony Gold...

You guys do know that HG isn't behind this right? Palladium is the company making these, they licensed the rights to Robotech from HG - so HG already has their money and aren't involved until the license expires and Palladium has to cut them another check or stop making the game. Palladium is the one who decided the scale because they're gamers too, and yes, they know that BT players will buy some of their models because of the Unseen issue. But if you buy these you're putting money into Palladium's pockets, not HG's.

Edited by Dakkaface, 05 September 2014 - 11:59 AM.

[kosmos1214]

and i can sort of go with that even as much as i HATE HARMONY GOLD AND I THINK THEY MUST DIE IN PAIN AND AGONY
so i will willingly buy there from this company

[Mech42Ace]

Dakkaface, on 04 September 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

You guys do no that HG isn't behind this right? Palladium is the company making these, they licensed the rights to Robotech from HG - so HG already has their money and aren't involved until the license expires and Palladium has to cut them another check or stop making the game. Palladium is the one who decided the scale because they're gamers too, and yes, they know that BT players will buy some of their models because of the Unseen issue. But if you buy these you're putting money into Palladium's pockets, not HG's.

Okay, me not knowing that HG wasn't behind this makes me ok with the whole thing,
Thanks for telling me,
Ace

[Pht]

Dakkaface, on 04 September 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

You guys do no that HG isn't behind this right? Palladium is the company making these, they licensed the rights to Robotech from HG - so HG already has their money and aren't involved until the license expires and Palladium has to cut them another check or stop making the game.

Yes, HG is behind it, and they are profiting from it, as the ones selling the license. If HG didn't percieve a profit from this, it would have never happened. I like palladium; I have no problems with them. I have a problem with supporting HG's (IMO) ludicrous claims; even indirectly.

[Dakkaface]

Pht, on 05 September 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

Yes, HG is behind it, and they are profiting from it, as the ones selling the license. If HG didn't percieve a profit from this, it would have never happened. I like palladium; I have no problems with them. I have a problem with supporting HG's (IMO) ludicrous claims; even indirectly.

Palladium already licensed the rights to Robotech from HG. Palladium had to pay HG to start production. Harmony Gold already has the money in their pocket from this venture. If you choose not to buy, you just screw Palladium out of making money. At worst, the benefit to HG is that Palladium may find the game successful enough to reup the license in a few years, in which case HG would get another shot of money.

[Mech42Ace]

So in other words... If you don't want any more money to go to HG, just buy the unseens you want from palladium, and then don't buy any more from palladium after they renew the license! Bingo! No more money goes to HG!

[Pht]

Dakkaface, on 05 September 2014 - 12:36 PM, said:

Palladium already licensed the rights to Robotech from HG. Palladium had to pay HG to start production. Harmony Gold already has the money in their pocket from this venture. If you choose not to buy, you just screw Palladium out of making money.

I didn't say that HG didn't already get paid their fees. You seem to be missing the point - nobody will pay HG for a license to their IP if they don't think it's profitable. Spending monies on the HG IP, regardless of who's making the product for that IP, supports that IP. I am, again, unhappy that palladium is the one involved. I rather find the rifts storyline interesting and I gather it's a pretty good system, if slow and a bit complicated.

As an example, it took PGI so long to get the MWO ball rolling because MS disallowed them to put the game on the PS3 - not allowing it on the ps3 resulted in all of the big backing/publishing businesses refusing to give capital for the project because they didn't think it would get enough sales.

Besides which, there are alternatives: http://www.3ders.org...are/3dprinters/

The cheapest of the lot of the 3d printers are now down into the 150 dollar range.

Edited by Pht, 06 September 2014 - 08:18 AM.

[Dakkaface]

Pht, on 06 September 2014 - 08:14 AM, said:

I didn't say that HG didn't already get paid their fees. You seem to be missing the point - nobody will pay HG for a license to their IP if they don't think it's profitable. Spending monies on the HG IP, regardless of who's making the product for that IP, supports that IP. I am, again, unhappy that palladium is the one involved. I rather find the rifts storyline interesting and I gather it's a pretty good system, if slow and a bit complicated.

I disagree - one can buy a few models without showing support for the IP - Is every BT player bought two boxes of Destroids and a box of Veritechs to pick up the 5 Unseen chassis they can get out of this, that is still far behind what Palladium hopes to make in monetizing the Robotech IP. Look at the army box - as a starter they're giving 9x UEF and 15x Zentradei mechs. They're hoping to treat this like Warhammer or Warmahordes, selling ever expanding armies to people who will collect a massive force. I honestly expect the game to fail and fall by the wayside in a couple years. I suppose you can wait for the game to fail or players to bail out to pick some of these up on ebay for cheaper than the old unseen.

Pht, on 06 September 2014 - 08:14 AM, said:

Besides which, there are alternatives: http://www.3ders.org...are/3dprinters/

The cheapest of the lot of the 3d printers are now down into the 150 dollar range.

That $140 3d-printer is a pen. Unless you plan to manually draw your mechs that one is right out. You'll be spending $250 at a minimum.

Granted, those first three budget options offer a surprisingly low layer size - last I checked a 0.1 was the lowest print layer size - that's the Knight on the far left, which still has noticeable ridging.


At .03-.05 layer size it might be miniature quality. But the image highlights another issue with 3d printing - you can't do undercuts at ALL with FFF printing. Which ALL budget 3d printers use. The first non FFF printer on that list is going for a grand. You can't build a Rifleman's arms with FFF printers without making compromises.

We'll get there eventually, but I don't think 3d printing is the answer just yet.