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[Spheroid]

PPCs are now massively, massively slower. So much so that PPC tarting may be on its way to extinction.

If they were going to destroy PPCs why did they screw around with jump jet thrust for so long?


Can we have flying scouts and jump brawlers back please? I don't see why jump jets need to be so weak any longer.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mechs don't fly. VTOLs and Aerospace/Conventuonal fighters Fly.

[BARBAR0SSA]

^^
Nailed it.

[Spheroid]

@Mallan: Well whatever you want to call it the stock Spider can traverse 240 meters via jump movement in tabletop during one movement phase.

Mechs can also utilize partial wings under advanced rules. Perhaps you are being overly pedantic in your definition of flight.

Edited by Spheroid, 08 August 2014 - 09:07 PM.

[Lefty Lucy]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 August 2014 - 08:57 PM, said:

Mechs don't fly. VTOLs and Aerospace/Conventuonal fighters Fly.

Mechs have never "flown" in MWO, even when JJ were at their best.

[Monkey Lover]

Hope they dont nerf my hovermech even more. Time for jj ghost heat? That would be really fun on a worthless summoner with fixed jj haha

[Spheroid]

@Lucy: You neglected Land Air Mechs, which are supported in rules now.

[MischiefSC]

PPCs work fine. Been killing people with them all night. They're just not flat out better than everything else anymore. They're like AC10s with unlimited ammo and no projectile drop at range, and for almost 1/2 the tonnage but more heat. They're pretty well balanced actually.

JJs.... JJs need a little dial back up. 240m in one movement phase was 10 seconds btw. We've got that, more or less, for Spiders. The problem is the double-dip approach to heavier mechs.

1 JJ is equal to 1/2 the height of a Centurion (more or less) in jump elevation. More JJs, more UP, in a linear scale. Heavier mechs needed heaver JJs for the same lift. That's why the HGN pays 2 tons for what a Spider gets for 1/2 of a ton.

This current scale thing is just.... bad though. Just make mechs launch faster and drop faster, limiting viability of shooting while airborn. Balance weapons, like we have with PPCs, to deal with abuses of limited exposure. Modify JJ heat, there's a lot to be done to deal with that. They need to be made viable for getting around though.

[SaltBeef]

The spider had jump wings.

so does the goshawk

[Lefty Lucy]

Spheroid, on 08 August 2014 - 09:17 PM, said:

@Lucy: You neglected Land Air Mechs, which are supported in rules now.

I said in "MWO."

I know about LAMs, I'm just saying that there's never been a time when JJ were so good that mechs fly.

[NovaFury]

They don't fly, but jumpjets give mechs unparalleled mobility in tabletop, to the point where turning costs no MP and they effectively ignore terrain.

I can barely scale two 'elevation' across one 'hex' with full jets on say, my Summoner.

[Alex Warden]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 August 2014 - 08:57 PM, said:

Mechs don't fly. VTOLs and Aerospace/Conventuonal fighters Fly.

mechs with jumpjets should at least be able to cross an obsticle without "bugging" over it.. that is not the case for most mediums and light heavies (quickdraw anyone?) i loved the mobility of my Quicky for dive attacks and such, now it´s tied to the ground like any other heavy mech ... currently you can just use them for quick turns, it´s ridiculous... i am all for assault and "true" heavies (like the CTF) having a hardtime jumping, but mechs that somehow rely on their jump capability? i want my quicky back...

and what about jumping up on a lvl 2 or 3 building? i used to jump buildings with my CTPL alot to have a better fireline... not possible anymore, you can barely scratch the top of a lvl 1 building...

no mechs can´t fly... but they can jump... if you bring up canon, Joe, at least do it right...

edit: destroying a very fun playstyle just to add tons of bandaids to make poptarting harder is not the way, but that´s an old story...

Edited by Alex Warden, 09 August 2014 - 01:18 AM.

[The Amazing Atomic Spaniel]

The JJ on my summoner are so underpowered that I would remove them if I could.

The JJ nerf was a good way to make the game less fun.

Well done PGI

[Cyborne Elemental]

Time for JJ's to get a makeover.

[Bishop Steiner]

Lefty Lucy, on 08 August 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

Mechs have never "flown" in MWO, even when JJ were at their best.

LAMs.

[Ultimax]

Spheroid, on 08 August 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

If they were going to destroy PPCs why did they screw around with jump jet thrust for so long?

They don't have a clear vision, nor a plan and don't think things through.

[Sephlock]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 August 2014 - 08:57 PM, said:

Mechs don't fly. VTOLs and Aerospace/Conventuonal fighters Fly.

[Rando Slim]

I like the JJ changes......I mean yea I feel like the mechbay number is nowhere near remotely accurate for how high I can actually jump now, but now Im actually glad those clan mechs have all their silly locked jumpjets. Fall damage and heat with jumpjets I find adds a nice little sprinkle of thought that has to go into jumping around now, you gotta save a little fuel and practice your landings. Realistically JJs would add a lot of heat possibly so Im ok with what we got.

[Impyrium]

Sephlock, on 09 August 2014 - 04:08 PM, said:

One word: RoboTech.

*hides*

Also, I really don't want to see JJs as they are now boosted again, in anything but lights. I would like to see lights and mediums, maybe, MAYBE, get a boost to their jump capability. But what I really want to see is Jump Jets become actual jump jets, ie. with a large 'boost' which costs 50% of your jump fuel instantly, but gives you quick height, then a burn period to stay at that height. Gives you jumps but also means you're not in total control ie. flying.

[Sephlock]

AUSwarrior24, on 09 August 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

One word: RoboTech.

*hides*

Also, I really don't want to see JJs as they are now boosted again, in anything but lights. I would like to see lights and mediums, maybe, MAYBE, get a boost to their jump capability. But what I really want to see is Jump Jets become actual jump jets, ie. with a large 'boost' which costs 50% of your jump fuel instantly, but gives you quick height, then a burn period to stay at that height. Gives you jumps but also means you're not in total control ie. flying.

They just need to make JJs rocket us forward and upward so we can make those epic LEAPS that are portrayed in TT and the books.