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[KHETTI]

Meh Summoner, i might be jelly if it wasn't so damn ugly(sry Alex), having a blast wreaking sh!t in my cute foxes.

[RetroActive]

I treat my Summoner like a Dragon with jump jets, more armor and much better hit boxes.

[SgtMagor]

this is the variant, I really wanted, so I could use a loadout I had in MW4.
•Alt. Config. F
This version of the Summoner carries an Ultra AC/5 and ER Medium Laser in each arm, backed up by a torso mounted LRM-10 and ER Medium Laser. BV (2.0) = 2,186[14]

[Ultimax]

Mcgral18, on 12 August 2014 - 12:25 PM, said:

You see...I can buy the Summoner for Cbills, while I can't for the Ryoken.

It is better, aside from the JJ thing. Are Crit Slots an issue on it? Summoner does have 4 hardwired DHS in the engine.

I haven't run into any issues with crit slots on the Storm Crow yet.

I've run everything from pure laser boat with 2x ER LLAS + 4 (or 5 if you like) cERMLAS with 20+ DHS, to LRM 30-45 +backup weapons, to 4cERMLAS + UAC 20/LB20/Gauss, and even 3x ASRM6 with 4x cERMLAS with 4 or 6 extra DHS (can't recall) and 400 ammo.


It easily one of the most versatile mechs in the game, and definitely top 3 clan side for overall build options.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 12 August 2014 - 12:50 PM.

[Mcgral18]

SgtMagor, on 12 August 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:

this is the variant, I really wanted, so I could use a loadout I had in MW4.
•Alt. Config. F
This version of the Summoner carries an Ultra AC/5 and ER Medium Laser in each arm, backed up by a torso mounted LRM-10 and ER Medium Laser. BV (2.0) = 2,186[14]

Close enough?

SMN-PRIME

Extra ML in an arm that could be a HS, ammo, AMS, etc...


Edit:

Wait...a UAC in each arm? Well, if you lose the LRM10 you can get one in each ST.

SMN-PRIME

Though, you'd want to drop something to max the armour out anyway. Hardpoints don't allow for that exact build.

Edited by Mcgral18, 12 August 2014 - 12:57 PM.

[Scratx]

Viktor Drake, on 12 August 2014 - 11:58 AM, said:

Honestly, I think they should remove and refund.

Seriously, people can't really complain about it happening since most knew that it was a mistake.

Also, some people, like myself did actually pay significant money to get early access to Clan Mechs and that early access was, most definitely, part of the value of the buying those mech. I bought a Stormcrow and Timber Wolf specifically because I didn't want to wait 3-4 months for them and I think I might just be a little twerked off if a ton of people got access to them right now for C-bills after spending over $100 for that early access. (note: I will admit that the extra bays, the 30% c-bill bonus on primes and being able to bypass the C-bill grind also had some value as well).

Well, there's no ambiguity on PGI's stance here.

Matt Newman, on 12 August 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

Hi all!

Yes there was a issue with the sale we put up today and the Summoner was made available for C-bills for a short time.
We have addressed the issue and this won't happen moving forward!
For those of you lucky enough to snag the Summoner for C-bills early Congrats
For the rest of you we also have the KitFox on sale today for C-bills and the Rec Room Warhorn for MC!

Matt N

They're not taking the mechs back. No biggie in any case, I think.

[Jonny Taco]

smn needs to have 2 of its 5 jj removable.

[Ph30nix]

gaSyeraSS, on 12 August 2014 - 09:36 AM, said:

Due to PGI mistake some ppl been quickly able to buy summoners FOR CBILLS!
MUAHAHA!
ALL PPL WHO BOUGHT THESE EXCLUSIVE PACKAGES SHOULD GET THEIR MONEY BACK NOW!!!!

why? i enjoyed the few months i had to play them sooner, but what im enjoying the most is the prime variants 30% cbill bonus.
ill be glad to see more clan mechs on the fielded by those paying Cbills, frankly i dont think we need to delay release anymore then we already have but this is just an attempt to get more $$$$ out of clan mechs (redundant i feel as you could still by the packs for awhile and the alacart is cheaper then buying them individually)

also this way people can see the weaknesses first hand in clan mechs and stop crying OP.

[MonkeyCheese]

Lucky you OP

from the announcement thread

Matt Newman, on 12 August 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

Hi all!

Yes there was a issue with the sale we put up today and the Summoner was made available for C-bills for a short time.
We have addressed the issue and this won't happen moving forward!
For those of you lucky enough to snag the Summoner for C-bills early Congrats
For the rest of you we also have the KitFox on sale today for C-bills and the Rec Room Warhorn for MC!

Matt N

But im still happy with my invasion model summoner prime

[Bill Shakespear]

I like the Summoner

I have had some success with this build: Bill's SMN-D

Congratulations to the folks that were able to get it for C-Bills early.

[MischiefSC]

I make two Summoners in my toilet every morning before breakfast.

Not impressed with them and I mastered Dragons and QDs.

[Bishop Steiner]

MischiefSC, on 12 August 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

I make two Summoners in my toilet every morning before breakfast.

Not impressed with them and I mastered Dragons and QDs.

Not impressive no, but for some reason I have found it quite enjoyable to take a stock Summoner-Prime out for the last week, and see what I can make happen. I have been surprised by the overall effectiveness, considering. (Though by no means would I call it good, just surprised with as little armor and ammo as the stock has, that I can make it work at all.)

[RetroActive]

Bill Shakespear, on 12 August 2014 - 01:09 PM, said:

I like the Summoner

I have had some success with this build: Bill's SMN-D

Congratulations to the folks that were able to get it for C-Bills early.

Yes, that! Except mine adds a CSRM6 as well.

[Koniving]

Rhaythe, on 12 August 2014 - 09:49 AM, said:

In all seriousness - is that the cause of the low public opinion of the Summoner? That it's "Not a Timber Wolf"? (Don't mind me; I've avoided almost every clan thread I've seen lately)

Scratx, on 12 August 2014 - 09:55 AM, said:

No, but it surely doesn't help.

The matter of the fact is, the Summoner doesn't have good hard points, has FF instead of Endo, has fixed JJ's and doesn't come with maxed armor. You have all of... I think 21 tons? Once you max armor.

The Timberwolf, on the other hand, isn't stuck with jumpjets (optional with S variant), comes with maxed armor, has better hardpoints, has both endo and ferro... and has 27.5t pod-space.

Summoner just can't compete.

Sure, the Summoner can dual-wield AMS, the Timber can't... but that's a marginal advantage.

The Summoner needs quirk buffs to make up the difference.

With maxed armor and 4 pre-installed jumpjets, it has 20.69 tons free. If the JJs were gone, it'd have 25.69 tons free.
With maxed armor and no jumpjets installed, the Timber Wolf has 27.46 tons free.

The rough difference, if these were NOT Omnimechs... would be 5 tons. The actual difference when you add in max armor for both and consider the Summoner's jumpjets removed to the Timber Wolf not having jumpjets is actually 1.77 tons. Shocking, isn't it? If you consider the stock armors, and jumpjets to not exist, the Summoner actually has more tonnage available to it than the TW does. Dun. Dun. Daaaa~.

Anyway. Summoner is only bad if you don't have lower arm actuators installed, since we can't use the advantage of shooting behind us for not having them in. Otherwise it's essentially an Orion with twin AMS and up to 5 missile hardpoints, up to 4 energy hardpoints (this kinda hurts it a bit) and up to 3 ballistic hardpoints (yeah this hurts it too).

Both are easy to take out from the front. Summoner is harder to headshot. TW is easier to leg. Summoner shoots over hills better with its torso ballistics. TW has an easier time spreading damage. Summoner's small tube count launchers on the left shoulder can get uber tiny! TW gets penalties for having more than 2 launchers or jumpjets (aside from S center torso). Summoner gets no penalties what-so-ever. TW is easy to take out from the side, but unfortunately due to a bad design idea the CT of the Summoner can be hit easily from 90 degrees to the side. It also has a large pelvis, adding to that issue. TW has a long CT, making it super susceptible to LRMs.

Both have their good and bad niches.

Edited by Koniving, 12 August 2014 - 02:05 PM.

[WmLowFlyer]

lockwoodx, on 12 August 2014 - 09:49 AM, said:

From the code of conduct:



It will be interesting how PGI handles this. I've got the popcorn and butter ready.

lol as if the developers even read the forums.

[Zervziel]

Isn't this like crowing about getting a wart noone else has? The Summoner is kinda terrible.

[5th Fedcom Rat]

Forget 10 v 12, all that PGI has to do to balance the Clans is enforce a matchmaker rule of minimum 2 Summoners and 2 Adders per Clan team.

[Bishop Steiner]

Zervziel, on 12 August 2014 - 02:44 PM, said:

Isn't this like crowing about getting a wart noone else has? The Summoner is kinda terrible.

and yet ...I can't help loving it..... and I know it's the kinda ugly chick at the dance.........go figure.

[Zervziel]

Bishop Steiner, on 12 August 2014 - 03:10 PM, said:

and yet ...I can't help loving it..... and I know it's the kinda ugly chick at the dance.........go figure.

Eh, my mech bays are full of Dire Whales and Fatlases so I guess I'm used to dancing with the fat chick. We know how to clear the dance floor.