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[LauLiao]

The Advisor, on 13 August 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

A lone Wolf unit would be like- Rogues who are together (DarkCaste ever heard of them in Clan society. ).

Seriously? Have you ever seen the movie "Airheads"?

"The Lone Rangers? How can you pluralize The Lone Ranger?... There's three of you. You're not exactly 'Lone'. Shouldn't you be the Three Rangers?"

[The Gruntmaster 6000]

Um no I have not seen Airheads... Also if those 3 work with a country or government they are not relevant.

[LauLiao]

The Advisor, on 13 August 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

Um no I have not seen Airheads... Also if those 3 work with a country or government they are not relevant.

Maybe you just need a taller mech.

[1453 R]

*Sigh*

Advisor, you're misusing a key term here. 'Lone Wolf', in MWO parlance, indicates a player who acts entirely by himself, without any unit affliation whatsoever. it does not mean "Gathering of guys who stick it to the Man and make their own rules like a bunch of Old West badasses", it means "solo player with no allegiance to anyone else at any time."

What you're talking about would still be classified as a Merc Corp, according to The Community At Large. One that doesn't accept regular contracts, certainly, but there's no separate classification for "Band of Pirates" in MWO. You have to do that on your own.

[The Gruntmaster 6000]

Okay so the LONE RANGER.... He does NOT work alone. Squanto. Just because you have the title Lone Wolf does not mean you are part of FAP. Seriously the title Dictator use to be used normally (and not as a term to describe a tyrannical leader), but they were actually like a Republic. They were a President. Just because you have the title Lone does not mean you are lone. There are people called the Ironclad... Are they clad in Iron? Or Knight Errant... Not Knights or an Errant (someone who strays from the norm or is in search for Adventure). If we are going on this just because of the name: Lau Liao is a part of the Liao royal family so anyone from Liao MUST obey him, I must go Advise everyone, those who bought Masakari Pack must Clad themselves in Iron, etc... Your title or name does not mean who you are or what you do. Many of us Lone Wolves are Clansmen who have not had their Clan added or they are Blakists with no faction, or ComStar etc... But we are Lone Wolves.... Doesn't mean we are Forever alone.

Also if we all act by ourself PGI should restrict Groups for us because we are Lone Wolves. There are 12 man Lone Wolf groups every day (I see them). They are still lone Wolves though. So we are not misusing the term at all.

Edit- There were also 7 Lone Rangers in the beginning.

Also I know it would get confusing using the term Lone Wolf to describe a unit of us which is why I am proposing PGI allow us to use our unit's banner instead of the LW one cause PGI did say we would eventually be able to make our own Banner.

Edited by The Advisor, 13 August 2014 - 01:58 PM.

[Davers]

Lone wolves are Mercs not affiliated with any faction or merc unit. They will be able to bid on contracts and earn rep with any (IS only maybe) faction. Unlike a merc unit that would have all it's members forced to work on the same contract. Or such is my understanding.

[Roadkill]

Davers, on 13 August 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Lone wolves are Mercs not affiliated with any faction or merc unit. They will be able to bid on contracts and earn rep with any (IS only maybe) faction. Unlike a merc unit that would have all it's members forced to work on the same contract. Or such is my understanding.

This.

Lone Wolf is a faction, but it is not a group. There will allegedly be benefits derived from being a Lone Wolf just like any other faction, but hopefully they will be appropriate to an unaligned mercenary and not just cloned from all of the House/Clan/Merc Unit factions.

[Ryvucz]

Once upon a time, devs mentioned Lone Wolves don't get any purty stuff.

Since, ya know... you're a Lone Wolf.

Meaning single, solo, uno, eins.

Merc Units have that thing called making units.

Ya know, cuz they are grouped, not Lone Wolves.

[The Gruntmaster 6000]

Yeah, I guess you guys are right. Nevermind everyone.

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Ya know, cuz they are grouped, not Lone Wolves.

Say this again and I'll post a Screenshot of a Lone Wolf team dropping.

Edited by The Advisor, 13 August 2014 - 02:36 PM.

[Sephlock]

1453 R, on 12 August 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

Nope.

All units will be aligned to an official faction. Fight for the glory of House [X] or GTFO. Which is the distilled essence of Commodity Warfare.

Can I be a member of Clan Pork Belly?

[Davers]

The Advisor, on 13 August 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

Yeah, I guess you guys are right. Nevermind everyone.

Say this again and I'll post a Screenshot of a Lone Wolf team dropping.

no one said lone wolves couldn't form a premade. That's not the same thing as a unit.

[CycKath]

Okay, long timey ago but here is first CW dev blog

http://mwomercs.com/...munity-warfare/

Back in 2011 at least they indicated Lone Wolves could earn Loyalty Points but there was no benefit for them doing so as they couldn't earn the ranks with various factions that faction loyal/merc companies players did. Its why my Overloard loyalty medallions remain unchosen.

Personally I'm hoping that now lone wolves can earn ranks but have much much steeper grind, that if you go with a faction you get normal rate of loyalty grind where if you go lone wolf you can see greatly reduced earning rates, the price of being earn loyalty with multiple factions.

[The Gruntmaster 6000]

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That's not the same thing as a unit.

No that's the exact same thing. Dropping with a team means you are an unaligned unit. Pirates are a unit. Soldiers are a unit. We are both therefore when we decide to regularly drop with a team we are a unit.

[SolCrusher]

Lone Wolfs get the shaft as always. Maybe we could get some dinner and wine first?

[The Gruntmaster 6000]

Well I decided since we get shafted. Mercenary Corps.

[General Taskeen]

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Lone_Wolves

"Lone Wolves" refers to that in BattleTech land, which are technically a Mercenary group with their own unit logo.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

The Advisor, on 13 August 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

A lone Wolf unit would be like- Rogues who are together (DarkCaste ever heard of them in Clan society. They are an aligned unit now and but do not answer to a faction). There are Lone Wolves that want to drop together or be a team but don't want to be a part of the money worshipping Merc Corps or the power corrupt factions. Think of them as Minnesota Tribe... No one knows what they want how they make money, how they get mechs, nothing. They just exist as rogues. That would be the idea of a unit of Lone Wolves. Rogues. Its not that hard to grasp if thought through.


*sighs* It does when done like- Minnesota Tribe, Dark Caste, etc. Pretty much us who are Lone Wolves are 2 things: People who are a part of F.A.P. and people who want a faction that is not part of The Inner Sphere of Ruined Hopes and Dreams or the Clans of Invading Massacres. Seriously people why is it so hard to grasp a Lone Wolf unit? Are you confused that Lone Wolves may want to team up? Cause I see 10 person teams of Lone Wolves A LOT! And I have actually been a part of them.

So what's the Minnesota Tribe? What were the Huns? What is the Taliban (before part of a government Taliban were rogue soldiers fighting for what they thought was right not for any faction or money)? What were Pirates (not mercs couldn't hire them and not a part of a faction no organized banner)?

They are in reality Lone Wolves who fight together to survive. They are not a faction, they are not Mercenaries, they are just a unit of soldiers fighting for their own cause and no one else...

-edit- Technically you could call them a faction, but a faction of people forced together is not a faction. Its survival. And a unit of Lone Wolves is just a group of Pirates.

You don't seem to understand how "Units" or "Factions" work in Battletech.

Pirates, are a faction.
DarkCaste would be considered a faction.

Literally everything you're asking for, could be considered loosely a merc unit, or a faction of the clans.

YOU WOULD BE PART OF A UNIT.

Want to be a Pirate? That's a Faction, just because you're in the Pirate faction, doesn't mean all pirates get along... you think warlords of House Kurita all get along? Hell no, there's been in-boarder fights between lords before. Same thing with Pirates, same thing with Clanners [though we just call that a "Trial" and call it a day.]

Lone Wolves, as explained in MWO, are ment to be padding for existing forces that do not meet the drop requirement to do an op. IE you're essentially a single mercernary who ends up hired out to a force to fill in.

THAT IS IT. That is your job, as a lone wolf, in Mechwarrior Online.

[The Gruntmaster 6000]

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The Lone Wolves are a loose collection of independent lances fighting together as a mercenary cartel.

From Sarna. They ARE small Lances of people or units. They are unregistered to Merc Corps and have NO allegiance. That is what I want. A unit of Lone Wolves that are described here.

[Impyrium]

Davers, on 13 August 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Lone wolves are Mercs not affiliated with any faction or merc unit. They will be able to bid on contracts and earn rep with any (IS only maybe) faction. Unlike a merc unit that would have all it's members forced to work on the same contract. Or such is my understanding.

I disagree. If you're a unit, affiliated or not, and work for money based on a contract either yourself or with another group, then you are by all definitions a mercenary.

Also mercenaries in BT are quite vibrant, I do not know why you think they must all act the same. Who says you can't have a secretive mercenary group that acts as you want it to?

[Davers]

AUSwarrior24, on 13 August 2014 - 03:52 PM, said:

I disagree. If you're a unit, affiliated or not, and work for money based on a contract either yourself or with another group, then you are by all definitions a mercenary.

Also mercenaries in BT are quite vibrant, I do not know why you think they must all act the same. Who says you can't have a secretive mercenary group that acts as you want it to?

Yes, lone wolf is short for lone wolf mercenary. By definition lone wolf mercenaries, who choose to be lone wolves, are not part of a mercenary unit.

I guess we will just have to see how PGI distinguishes between the two terms.