

#21
Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:17 AM
This goes out the window when you get LRM's combined with a Narc equipped light, especially an ECM light with Narc. Often you don't even get a chance to hit the ECM equipped light which attaches Narc beacons one by one to your team. The ECM allows them to minimize their exposure to getting shot and when you get narced if you don't have an AMS or two bare minimum OR be lucky enough to be near tall buildings or mountains you are boned.
ECM lights using NARC and LRM support are near OP right now. By themselves they're not but you come up against even just a 3-4 man doing this and they are raking in the the Bills and XP.
#23
Posted 14 August 2014 - 10:09 AM
JigglyMoobs, on 14 August 2014 - 12:21 AM, said:
Radar depravation
Radar depravation
Remember this module well. This is your first priority for your gxp and the single best cbill investment you can make to counter lrms.
Buy one ASAP and bring it on every match by switching it between your different mechs.
With this one module and smart tactics using cover lrms become a non-issue unless you are NARCed.
The only mech that shouldn't have that module in one of its slots is one that has ECM.
#24
Posted 14 August 2014 - 10:19 AM
RuneOfDeath, on 13 August 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:
LRMs are the weakest weapons in the game. Too many variables and counters to be consistent. The issue you are experience is the increased number of TBRs that have plenty of crit space to have LRMs mounted.
Edited by mogs01gt, 14 August 2014 - 10:19 AM.
#25
Posted 14 August 2014 - 10:27 AM
#26
Posted 14 August 2014 - 10:41 AM
Edited by Davoke, 14 August 2014 - 10:42 AM.
#27
Posted 14 August 2014 - 11:06 AM
RuneOfDeath, on 14 August 2014 - 04:05 AM, said:
Thats a very honest and upright answer. LRMs, just like a mortar crew on the battlefield should not be sneered at, but respected for what it is. It should intimidate and make people fear it because the death comes without warning and can be life altering in seconds. Its also not easy, not effective in all situations and definitely will not be the force that wins the war, but can turn the tide of battle.
#28
Posted 14 August 2014 - 11:11 AM
Mercworks, on 14 August 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:
Oh yes you do want it. Use ALLLLLL the crutches! When that tag falls on you, and you break LOS, bing! done. Good luck getting those missiles to hit. I know because I've done it and I do it when I bring my raven "Crutches" out for a stroll.
#29
Posted 14 August 2014 - 11:17 AM
RuneOfDeath, on 13 August 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:
Dude, you play the false Brawlers.
Get a DDC with ECM, 2 LB-X 10s and 3 SRM 6.
Or a Timberwolf with Clan 4 ER-Med, 3 Machine Guns, and 4 SRM 6 and Jump Jets.
Or learn how to Poptart with a Shadowhawk or Cataphract.
You should also spend 15 000 GXP and 6 000 000 C-Bills on the RADAR DEPRIVATION Module.
#30
Posted 14 August 2014 - 11:29 AM
Lets not debate on what is and whats not op and how to adjust that.
Help Runeofdeath and the other newcomers, give some advice, link videos, help them dealing with those pesky lrms.
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For example, if i see a 4 man doing narc-tag, the first thing that comes to my mind is "unleash the hounds!".
While the non light part of your team does heavy stuff, the lights have to lure the "tag team", (still remaining in an area with good cover ).
a narcer light gives up 12 damage, opposed to a more brawlier light, a tag is still a 5 damage less than a medium laser, and those missiles that the lrm buddies may throw at your lights will just hit the ground behind them, (as long as they keep in mind "speed is life").
If the enemies stays then gang up on them, if they run they just cant spot.
Your team can even charge the enemy. The enemy team has already give up some serius brawl potential with the light,and the lurmer, giving you the edge.
This are fairly complicated tricks to pull of in a pug, or even in premade. So any other ideas?
Other than that, when you see a swarm of lrm directed to a friendly and you have nothing better to do, give him support with your ams if you have one, and check if he have a narc or tag icon over his head.
If yes write "the enemy has a narc/tag keep an eye on that".
A dual gauss on an unsuspecting ecm spotter and he will be doomed

Edited by Nazar24, 14 August 2014 - 11:38 AM.
#31
Posted 14 August 2014 - 12:49 PM
Nazar24, on 14 August 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:
Help Runeofdeath and the other newcomers, give some advice, link videos, help them dealing with those pesky lrms.
I`m not actually a newcomer, played that game since the beginning of 2013, just had a break for about 2 months in which lrms changed a lot (with narc finally being useful), still thanks for the feedback, I'm actually a bit better yet:)
Edited by RuneOfDeath, 14 August 2014 - 12:49 PM.
#32
Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:04 PM
Holding locks and focus fire.
Narc locks hold for themselves, so unless a hit player hides under ECM, the lock will be a vailable to erveryone on the team, which directly leads to the second thing. Focus fire happens through players identifying the Narc symbol and chosing it as the most appropriate target to aim for. Narc also provides some passive bonuses to Missiles, so aiming for the 'Mech becomes even more attractive. Through this, even a fairly uncoordinated team can use the Narc to focus fire their missiles onto a single target. If most of those hit, that of course crate a huge amount of piled up damage, even if the individual salvos aren't as effective.
#33
Posted 14 August 2014 - 02:41 PM
Davoke, on 14 August 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:
A lot of people seem to think that ams is the way to neutralize lrms. That's a noobie trap. IMO unless you are a kitfox ams is worthless. You need redundant ecm, radar depravation, good terrain utilization and aggressive offensive actiin viaand accurate long range direct fire to neutralize lrms.
#34
Posted 14 August 2014 - 03:03 PM
1. My group has run 3 triple AMS kitfoxes in a match. No LRM's hit anyone, ever. Kitfox is for support, and support it does
2. NARCing works now, and people do it! Something in the game works! Huzzah!
3. Has anyone thought that the recent spike in LRM use is attributed to 1. Auto-refilling smokeageddon counter and 2. LRM's stay on target through rubberbanding? o.O
#35
Posted 14 August 2014 - 07:07 PM
- some folks are simply not as skilled at avoiding them
- not everyone is packing radar deprivation, etc.
- AMS blankets and ECM umbrellas are random - some matches you may have them, others not - and it's LRM time when yo don't
- since teams don't coordinate well in the solo queue, lots of things can work ... poorer mechs, poorer weapons, etc.
FYI - the only time I have seen LRMs really work reliably in the group queue is when a large-ish (8+) group brings 2+ ECM, 2+Narcs and 2+ LRM boats + support ... had a match a while back on Caustic where the enemy had 2 narcing Ravens and 4 mucho-tubes-and-ammo LRM boats.
#36
Posted 15 August 2014 - 08:43 AM
Though often i must say, i love seeing boats in some of my mechs.. Nothing like rushing a boat, and blowing them up while you are in close and personal.
On the flip side, i would much rather get a LRM warning and have a chance, than peak my head around a corner only to get a double Gauss in the face, and basically be screwed in that part for the entire match.
#37
Posted 16 August 2014 - 02:02 AM
Nazar24, on 14 August 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:
Lets not debate on what is and whats not op and how to adjust that.
Help Runeofdeath and the other newcomers, give some advice, link videos, help them dealing with those pesky lrms.
For example, if i see a 4 man doing narc-tag, the first thing that comes to my mind is "unleash the hounds!".
While the non light part of your team does heavy stuff, the lights have to lure the "tag team", (still remaining in an area with good cover ).
a narcer light gives up 12 damage, opposed to a more brawlier light, a tag is still a 5 damage less than a medium laser, and those missiles that the lrm buddies may throw at your lights will just hit the ground behind them, (as long as they keep in mind "speed is life").
If the enemies stays then gang up on them, if they run they just cant spot.
Your team can even charge the enemy. The enemy team has already give up some serius brawl potential with the light,and the lurmer, giving you the edge.
This are fairly complicated tricks to pull of in a pug, or even in premade. So any other ideas?
Other than that, when you see a swarm of lrm directed to a friendly and you have nothing better to do, give him support with your ams if you have one, and check if he have a narc or tag icon over his head.
If yes write "the enemy has a narc/tag keep an eye on that".
A dual gauss on an unsuspecting ecm spotter and he will be doomed

Fit AMS - If your team has AMS you can shoot down NARCS. But no one uses AMS. Sigh.
#39
Posted 16 August 2014 - 12:00 PM
n0e, on 16 August 2014 - 02:21 AM, said:
How could you know

Edited by RuneOfDeath, 16 August 2014 - 12:02 PM.
#40
Posted 16 August 2014 - 12:34 PM
Edit, RuneOfDeath. Glad to hear you are getting better, so you stay off the list.

Edited by Bartholomew bartholomew, 16 August 2014 - 12:36 PM.
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