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[PanzerSmurf]

Thank you all for the reassuring posts, I truly appreciate it.

As for my playing style,I play a light mech (jenner JR7-k),I've modified I a bit, removing the missile launcher for a missile shield device, upgraded my frontal armor for the most part and added a scanner, giving up some jump jets in the process, this too accommodate my following playing style :

I tend to play a scouting / harassing role, because of my speed I tend to stay on the flank of the big blob of my team until combat is joined between 2 major groups, then I either take cover in the front line to do spotting with occasionally popping out to take a shot, or try and flank the enemy on hit and run maneuvers.

For my feeing I tend to do pretty decent, I'm however a bit confused on base capture maps if I should after the main battle press too the enemy base or defend my own, so far I've only been flamed on the matter trying either and no one has bothered to explain to me under what conditions what is best.

I might even be totally playing the light mech wrong, but I feel the speed this mech gives me accommodates the play style I have chosen with it pretty well.

If there is any mech better suited for this I would love too hear it, or any tips for the playing style. And if someone could explain when too press to the enemy base and when too turn back and defend your own, that would be awesome.

Also as a final note, I find I'm often ignored when asking for advice in game., and for the record, I have a thick skin, but I had the impression I was joining a community of flamers like the standard MOBA community which simply makes the game not fun, glad to see I was wrong from all the supportive posts

Edited by PanzerSmurf, 14 August 2014 - 08:55 AM.

[Dawnstealer]

In that case, I'd say find a mech with a similar speed to your own. Hug them, follow them around, do what they do, shoot what they shoot at (without shooting through them). Even if they're inexperienced, working together will keep both of you alive. If they ARE experienced, you'll learn a lot about the game and how to play and how to survive.

[MilesTeg1982]

PanzerSmurf, on 14 August 2014 - 08:49 AM, said:

For my feeing I tend to do pretty decent, I'm however a bit confused on base capture maps if I should after the main battle press too the enemy base or defend my own, so far I've only been flamed on the matter trying either and no one has bothered to explain to me under what conditions what is best.

depends on the situation:

1. at the start of the battle - stay with the team or at least near the team

2. if you are alone - you should not try to capture the base - the defense turrets will kill you or at least seriosly damage you (a Jenner does not have the amor to take fire from the turrets)

3. if your team is leading in points (more kills) and there are only a few enemies left they might get back to their base - in that situation it depends on the strength of your team wether you should attack the enemie base or not - if your team has taken a lot of damage allready - don't attack, as long as your team is leading in points you can just sit it out. If your team is in good condition you might attack - however in any case - stick with the team

4. If the enemie has startet to capture your base (keep in mind capture is not the same as attack, the message attack only means that someone is in range of the turrets, that can be a light who wants to distract your team) its usually a good to defend the base - however you should always consider what kind of enemie you are facing and how far your away. Sometimes it makes more sense to take the enemies base instead (if you are close and have more players for the cap you cap faster)

[Modo44]

The Jenner is one of if not the best light mech in the game. The F variant is especially deadly with a big XL engine and 6 medium lasers. You basically described what a Jenner pilot should be doing in every match.

Typically you want to fight rather than cap, unless you have a specialized lance or go all 12. On conquest, the lights are responsible for keeping the caps counter blue or at least neutral. More running and standing around to let your big friends shoot in peace. Both modes are what we call "situational", which means nobody really knows what to do when. You get a feel the longer you play, but it is rarely obvious.

Edited by Modo44, 14 August 2014 - 09:13 AM.

[JC Daxion]

I understand wanting to play lights, But with this game, I'd have to say starting with a medium you might be better off. they can do very similar roles, but have more armor, do a bit more damage and have a bit more forgiveness, the new 55 ton mechs are incredible learner machines. Learn the maps, the mechs, the load outs to know what to look out for in the mediums. Then when ya make the jump to those jenners in a few months you will be ready to rock and roll.

[TheRealTommo]

Unfortunately in any online game/forum you will always get morons who hide behind their keyboard. I just ignore them and pay attention to people who have some form of intelligence and respect for fellow people. Welcome by the way.

Edited by TheRealTommo, 14 August 2014 - 09:27 AM.

[ExoForce]

PanzerSmurf, on 14 August 2014 - 05:13 AM, said:

Hi, I'm a relative new player, I've unlocked my first own mech and I tend to survive battles, having around 1 kill and 5 assists, yet I constantly run into raging people who quiet honestly even go as far as dishing out personal insults, not only comment on my play style,

I'm all for constructive criticism, but getting called names for nothing other then people expected me to be somewhere else without giving a explanation is getting on my nerves.

I have only installed the game yesterday and the sheer hostility from some players in some matches makes me want to uninstall already.

The same thing happened to me in my first batlle one year ago. After that I have not touched the game 1 year. I was shocked.
I came back 1 year later. Ive meet good people in the game and on the forum. Now, I like this game so much that I dont even reply to insults or give a dam fak about those people. They have bigger medical problems in their lives then me.

[Nick Makiaveli]

PanzerSmurf, on 14 August 2014 - 08:49 AM, said:

I tend to play a scouting / harassing role, because of my speed I tend to stay on the flank of the big blob of my team until combat is joined between 2 major groups, then I either take cover in the front line to do spotting with occasionally popping out to take a shot, or try and flank the enemy on hit and run maneuvers.

For my feeing I tend to do pretty decent, I'm however a bit confused on base capture maps if I should after the main battle press too the enemy base or defend my own, so far I've only been flamed on the matter trying either and no one has bothered to explain to me under what conditions what is best.

Different folks have different opinions based on their personal goals. If you are out-numbered, then most will want to hide in the base and hope to win when assaulted. Others want to hide any time their side is up so that they can protect their precious KDR (no one really cares, it's a team game). Best to ask and/or just follow the herd.

PanzerSmurf, on 14 August 2014 - 08:49 AM, said:

I might even be totally playing the light mech wrong, but I feel the speed this mech gives me accommodates the play style I have chosen with it pretty well.

If there is any mech better suited for this I would love too hear it, or any tips for the playing style. And if someone could explain when too press to the enemy base and when too turn back and defend your own, that would be awesome.

There are two right ways. The way you have fun, and the way that gets you the results you want, ie more cash, more XP, wins, kills, etc.

I do advise sticking with the Jenner chassis till you Elite three chassis. If you don't know why, check out this thread for a guide on mastering mechs. Link

PanzerSmurf, on 14 August 2014 - 08:49 AM, said:

Also as a final note, I find I'm often ignored when asking for advice in game., and for the record, I have a thick skin, but I had the impression I was joining a community of flamers like the standard MOBA community which simply makes the game not fun, glad to see I was wrong from all the supportive posts

One thing that has been alluded to but not explained that I saw is the matchmaker and Elo (not ELO, it's not an acronym). Elo is a ranking system for players, and is used by the matchmaker (poorly many would say) to match up the teams evenly. Long story short, if the system predicts your team will lose, and you win you gain Elo pts. Reverse if you lose one you "should" have won. Takes a long time to move up and down. Newbies, after the 25 starter matches, are dropped right into the middle of the pool. So basically many of the jerks you ran into are average players who think they are the Uber Leet Gods stuck with moronic newbies such as yourself due to the evil MM etc etc.

Or if you are still in the first 25, then probably said "experts" on new accounts so they can feel special by racking up kills on people trying to figure out where the JJ button got off too.

I highly recommend seeking out a unit to join. There are many that are newbie friendly. I can recommend the DHB for anyone who isn't a jerk. We don't accept anyone who applies, but the ones who don't make it through the recruit stage are the arrogant jerks who mouth off in TS and piss people off to the point they get negative reviews. We do have competitive groups, but it isn't required that you join but welcome to if that's what you want to work towards. Full size TS server, training sessions, international members etc etc. Link in my sig if you are interested, and/or check out the recruitment forum. Many units to check out there, both Merc and House.

[Nick Makiaveli]

JC Daxion, on 14 August 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

I understand wanting to play lights, But with this game, I'd have to say starting with a medium you might be better off. they can do very similar roles, but have more armor, do a bit more damage and have a bit more forgiveness, the new 55 ton mechs are incredible learner machines. Learn the maps, the mechs, the load outs to know what to look out for in the mediums. Then when ya make the jump to those jenners in a few months you will be ready to rock and roll.

Good advice but since he's already bought a Jenner, would be cheaper to just stick with that chassis.

FTR, never sell anything. You get half the money, and if you ever need that laser/engine/etc again, you pay full price. Once you get to the point where you have a dozen mechs kitted out, and still have 36 Medium Lasers sitting around, then yea maybe consider selling 1 or 8 of them....

[Magos Titanicus]

Koniving, on 14 August 2014 - 06:28 AM, said:

ZOMG Flamers are chasing away the new players!

what an awesome picture!! truly love it

[DrSlamastika]

PanzerSmurf, on 14 August 2014 - 05:13 AM, said:

Hi, I'm a relative new player, I've unlocked my first own mech and I tend to survive battles, having around 1 kill and 5 assists, yet I constantly run into raging people who quiet honestly even go as far as dishing out personal insults, not only comment on my play style,

Hello there, like in all other games also this, have some "smart pineapples"
Dont care about it, it will be better. BTW what did you bought like your first mech?

[JC Daxion]

Nick Makiaveli, on 14 August 2014 - 09:41 AM, said:

Good advice but since he's already bought a Jenner, would be cheaper to just stick with that chassis.

I suppose it depends on what one he bought, buying a big XL to upgrade that mech would cost the same as another mech,, and 3 of the 55 toners have a nice XL-275 Though ya can always shell out a little MC for the one that comes with the big XL.. (though ouch if he already bought the non Champion version)

but by the time he has saved up another 5m c-bills i guess he will be figuring out if he really likes the mech or not. And i'm sure will have asked a ton more questions

[Koniving]

PanzerSmurf, on 14 August 2014 - 08:49 AM, said:

For my feeing I tend to do pretty decent, I'm however a bit confused on base capture maps if I should after the main battle press too the enemy base or defend my own, so far I've only been flamed on the matter trying either and no one has bothered to explain to me under what conditions what is best.

This thread, unfortunately, covers the reasoning behind that reaction from players.
The TL;DR version of the explanation is you get paid more for immediately committing suicide than you do for actually going through the trouble of taking a base, and therefore it isn't worth trying unless there are no other methods at your disposal to win.

The thread is a petition to restore tactical gameplay by restoring the financial gain for taking the base.
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In a match if you're asking for advice it's best to do it at the beginning, beyond that only the dead will speak. It may be better to simply follow someone else, however, who is of a similar mech or speed.

[RF Greywolf]

FTFA (Follow the Fracking Atlas) or whatever other big brother you can find. Keep the ankle biters off the big guys and they will thank you in droves at the end of the match.

[Mercules]

PanzerSmurf, on 14 August 2014 - 08:49 AM, said:

Also as a final note, I find I'm often ignored when asking for advice in game.,

Often there is no time in game to give advice. In fact I've found a few veteran trolls will try and get the other side to waste time by typing out a question that requires a bit of explanation or will taunt the opposing team to get them typing just before their side does a push in the hopes that the other team is typing.

If you want advice you have come to the proper place for it. Otherwise find one of the groups that are around and ask them politely if you could join their TS/Mumble server and play a bit and get some advice and tips. Many would be happy to help you.

Random "Joe" in a PuG will most likely ignore you then insult you when you didn't know better.

[Nick Makiaveli]

Koniving, on 14 August 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

This thread, unfortunately, covers the reasoning behind that reaction from players.
The TL;DR version of the explanation is you get paid more for immediately committing suicide than you do for actually going through the trouble of taking a base, and therefore it isn't worth trying unless there are no other methods at your disposal to win.

The thread is a petition to restore tactical gameplay by restoring the financial gain for taking the base.
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In a match if you're asking for advice it's best to do it at the beginning, beyond that only the dead will speak. It may be better to simply follow someone else, however, who is of a similar mech or speed.

I like how that thread is in archives. Perhaps you need to resurrect it.

That is one of the reasons why I play ForumWarrior far more than I actually play the game. I bought 3 Catapults when they were on sale so I could have a reason to play beyond mastering a few mechs here and there. Hasn't worked, and I am not one of those who hates grinding un-upgraded mechs, as I consider it a challenge. Not like there is much else to do...



PS: It's also why there's no point in not setting the MM to All. It's not like you are going to get anything different outside of turrets or no turrets.

Edited by Nick Makiaveli, 14 August 2014 - 10:20 AM.

[Catra Lanis]

I'd like to point out that ignored advice might not really be ignored. I started about 6 weeks ago. I had my hands full steering and trying to survive, often I saw the chat long after it was too late (still happens sometimes).

Edited by Catra Lanis, 14 August 2014 - 01:18 PM.

[Koniving]

Magos Titanicus, on 14 August 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

what an awesome picture!! truly love it

Thank you. There are lots of them in the Perfect Screenshot thread.

Oh no! The Flaming trolls have discovered jumpjets!

Because you never know what poptarts will wield next! (My original Heavy Metal design which was established as a fast-rushing destroyer of PPC Stalkers. Shot by Lordred.).

But seriously though. I'm popping on MWO again and I see you're reading Panzer so if you're up for it, I could drag you along.

[Bront]

If you want some more tolarant folks and want to drop with a group, check out some of the public teamspeak servers. The Steiner Hub has some great folks on it (ts1.housesteiner.com), as does mechconnect, Comstar, and the other house/clan TS Servers. You can get pointers, and drop with folks who can help support you.

Otherwise, find what works for you and enjoy it. Jenners are great mechs. I've been running my D with 2 SRM4s and 4 MLs with great success for a while, sometimes I use SPLs instead.

[SnagaDance]

Another thing. Some people just dislike anyone playing a Light Mech. In their minds only Heavy or Assault mechs count.

Show them the error of their ways. Just like that Direwolf I just crushed with my Jenner.

He learned why the lone wolf dies without his pack, no matter how powerful he may be.