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[Jody Von Jedi]

Podex, on 19 August 2014 - 07:37 AM, said:

1) That makes me feel better about my score

2) I guess that's why it took forever to drop

15th, good job Podex.

[SilentWolff]

I enjoyed my first tourney even though I couldn't pull out 1st place, I guess 2nd isn't so bad.

My big complaint about this tourney is the lack of any real rewards, other than bragging rights. I played 3 days and my reward is like 3 bucks? That's horrible. And I ain't getting any younger. Hell, I'll probably have tendonitis for the next week now.
Still, nice knowing an over 40 year old guy such as myself, can still take these whippersnappers to the woodshed!

[Jody Von Jedi]

SilentWolff, on 19 August 2014 - 08:03 AM, said:

. And I ain't getting any younger. Hell, I'll probably have tendonitis for the next week now.
Still, nice knowing an over 40 year old guy such as myself, can still take these whippersnappers to the woodshed!

This is an old man's game. Don't kid yourself. (Well, maybe middle aged man's game)

You're not alone, I'm 46.

[BARBAR0SSA]

I went for a challenge and picked my worst class, Clan Lights, and had to grind out elite on them anyways. It was all about KS'ing really. IS lights would sit behind a building a pop out last second and use the short burn time to finish them. I watched this numerous times.

Best example of how stupid it could get was: I was playing kitfox with ECM, I popped out and shot a shadowhawk to almost exposed CT, WHILE I SAT THERE WAITING ON MY LASERS TO RECHARGE, the *2* Heavies behind me, WAITED. I said "there's no way they are waiting" and sat there just a waiting, sure enough I sat there taking ac5 shots for a long time. Then after I lost a good chunk of health all over I shot and the instant core was exposed BOOM they went for kill shot.

After than I ditched them to LRMs turning my ECM off.


Scoring system needs to change overall:

Damage TAKEN should count towards score, kills should vanish from the board completely.
4 score boards from light-assault
"most damage" per weight class
"most helpful" with spotting, narcs, tag
etc.
reward intelligent play, also some end game content would be nice rather than JUST Cbills. How about a quirk purchasing system, actual in game titles you can use blah blah.

[DarthPeanut]

Jody Von Jedi, on 19 August 2014 - 06:46 AM, said:

I must be in Elo hell. I played Friday and Saturday and was able to get 4 or 5 kills a match, 400 - 500 damage easy. Last night, the final 5 hours of the tournament, I lost match after match after match. I struggled to get 1 or 2 kills per match and dropped with the likes of TwinkiOverload, Celyth, Gman129, ThePieMaker and Eglar. In fact, one of the last matchs I played Twinki killed me on River City in his DWF. Glad I could contribute to your Clan Assault win with 3025 points. That is just insane, dude. It was 2:30 AM and I just couldn't go on with the madness any longer. Congrats to the winners.

Now that the tournament is over, get me outta here! Reset my Elo, puleeeeaaaasss!?

Seriously though, I enjoyed the tournament. I wish we had more of them with different scoring just to mix it up some.

Jody

Similar here. Friday and even Saturday was pretty solid. Sunday it was decent I guess but there was no big stand out games to push me back from where I had slid (lots of recognizable names all day). Yesterday night was rough as far as tournament scoring... good number of wins but just could not put up the numbers I needed. On better matches it was either 3-4 kills 400-500 dmg or 1-2 kills 700-800 dmg. Not getting it done.

Edited by DarthPeanut, 19 August 2014 - 08:22 AM.

[Legend_]

It all seemed a bit.. random, regarding how the MM put people together. I'd go from 1 game of seeing no names I recognised to the next game where it'd be stacked on both sides with top 5 players in different categories etc.

Really did feel like a "Pug lottery".

[Cpt Zaepp]

Eglar, on 19 August 2014 - 07:54 AM, said:

Yea so disable elo, whats your issue? The better player wins. That's what it's about, right? Tbh, real good players during tournaments should be roflstomping every single match with 1k+ damage and not lose a single one.

Please, stay reasonable.

I doubt one could win the tourney with the current scoring-algorithm in place just with doing 1k of dmg in every single match. 7+ kills matches are needed in order to get a good result. And disabling Elo? So I presume you don't want to have challenging matches with equally skilled players? That's kinda sad.

BTW, that's usually how a (good) rated environment works. If you perform well in a tough engagement, you get more rewarded as if you perform exceptional in a match full of lower skilled players.

Anyways, I don't have the feeling this discussion is very productive.

Therefore,

Good day

Edited by zaepp, 19 August 2014 - 08:35 AM.

[Jody Von Jedi]

DarthPeanut, on 19 August 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

Similar here. Friday and even Saturday was pretty solid. Sunday it was decent I guess but there was no big stand out games to push me back from where I had slid (lots of recognizable names all day). Yesterday night was rough as far as tournament scoring... good number of wins but just could not put up the numbers I needed. On better matches it was either 3-4 kills 400-500 dmg or 1-2 kills 700-800 dmg. Not getting it done.

DarthP,

I see you in game a lot. Where did you finish, what class?

Jody

Edit: Never mind, I saw 31 in IS Medium. We were close.

This must have been Episode V, The Empire Strikes Back.

Edited by Jody Von Jedi, 19 August 2014 - 08:29 AM.

[Dawnstealer]

Jody Von Jedi, on 19 August 2014 - 08:12 AM, said:

This is an old man's game. Don't kid yourself. (Well, maybe middle aged man's game)

You're not alone, I'm 46.

I think a lot of people wrapped up in the lore of this game are a bit older. I'm 39, for example.

[Kali Rinpoche]

shad0w4life, on 19 August 2014 - 08:14 AM, said:

I went for a challenge and picked my worst class, Clan Lights, and had to grind out elite on them anyways. It was all about KS'ing really. IS lights would sit behind a building a pop out last second and use the short burn time to finish them. I watched this numerous times.

Best example of how stupid it could get was: I was playing kitfox with ECM, I popped out and shot a shadowhawk to almost exposed CT, WHILE I SAT THERE WAITING ON MY LASERS TO RECHARGE, the *2* Heavies behind me, WAITED. I said "there's no way they are waiting" and sat there just a waiting, sure enough I sat there taking ac5 shots for a long time. Then after I lost a good chunk of health all over I shot and the instant core was exposed BOOM they went for kill shot.

After than I ditched them to LRMs turning my ECM off.


Scoring system needs to change overall:

Damage TAKEN should count towards score, kills should vanish from the board completely.
4 score boards from light-assault
"most damage" per weight class
"most helpful" with spotting, narcs, tag
etc.
reward intelligent play, also some end game content would be nice rather than JUST Cbills. How about a quirk purchasing system, actual in game titles you can use blah blah.

I totally agree with you. I watched the very same behavior from one person that finished super high up. He just sat back until the very end when my side was completely decimated and finished of 4 in a row to rack up 5 kills. I was the last one to go down. I tried to take him out earlier but I was to slow to counter his hide and peak.

That being said. I still had fun. People just rushed to their deaths and made kills easy.

[Eglar]

zaepp, on 19 August 2014 - 08:24 AM, said:

Please, stay reasonable.
I doubt one could win the tourney with the current scoring-algorithm in place just with doing 1k of dmg in every single match. 7+ kills matches are needed in order to get a good result.

Tell me about it, i won the past 4 tournaments.

zaepp, on 19 August 2014 - 08:24 AM, said:

And disabling Elo? So I presume you don't want to have challenging matches with equally skilled players? That's kinda sad.

It's about it being a tournament. So everyone who enters should start under the same conditions to determine who the better one is. So no, when we hold an tournament, all I want is to win. Why should certain participants be handicapped by elo while others not?

[Cpt Zaepp]

Eglar, on 19 August 2014 - 08:35 AM, said:

Tell me about it, i won the past 4 tournaments.



It's about it being a tournament. So everyone who enters should start under the same conditions to determine who the better one is. So no, when we hold an tournament, all I want is to win. Why should certain participants be handicapped by elo while others not?

I don't care & Good day

[DarthPeanut]

Jody Von Jedi, on 19 August 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

DarthP,

I see you in game a lot. Where did you finish, what class?

Jody

Edit: Never mind, I saw 31 in IS Medium. We were close.

This must have been Episode V, The Empire Strikes Back.

Yea, I recognize your name from a number of matches as well. In fact I think I still have the SRM marks on one of my shawks from your treb.

Yep #31 in Medium IS, very close. This was my first tournament and my go to mechs are either a Medium or Heavy IS. Since I have not been playing heavy as much lately I opted to go mediums.

Edited by DarthPeanut, 19 August 2014 - 08:39 AM.

[BINDLETORC]

Great tourny all. I had a blast. I played a Griffin in Mediums and did better than I expected (70 something). I usually rock an Assault so it was a hell of a grind to get a feeling for the class again.
Some folks mentioned play styles that may be thought of as unfair but I didn't see that. Saw a lot of people playing a team game when solo performance was being measured. Great job everyone, I had a blast.

[Flyby215]

Eglar, on 19 August 2014 - 08:35 AM, said:

Tell me about it, i won the past 4 tournaments.



It's about it being a tournament. So everyone who enters should start under the same conditions to determine who the better one is. So no, when we hold an tournament, all I want is to win. Why should certain participants be handicapped by elo while others not?

You have a valid argument; however I would rather see elo remain in during tournaments. I think it gives greater opportunity for newer or more casual players to end up on the board, while higher tier players still get on the board but have a greater challenge in doing so.

Although, I might be contradicting myself. A lesser skilled player in a lesser elo bracket (for sake of argument I'll call it a 'bracket') would still be facing tough competition relative to their own bracket, and thus in just as challenging of games as someone in the upper brackets... relative to their own skill level.

[Podex]

Sorry, but I saw very little teamwork. 4/5 of the matches that I was in had people all over the place trying to hoard kills. I had to constantly remind people to lock targets, and all that really did was cause people to hit it repeatedly so nobody else could get locks. Needless to say, I lost a lot of matches.

I thought that the matchmaker was hooking me up with very low Elo players to balance the team because I kept getting shot up by my own teammates, but a lot of people were having the same issue. I sat out of the tournament Saturday and Sunday for that very reason.

Edited by Podex, 19 August 2014 - 09:00 AM.

[Alienized]

eh i enjoyed this thing overall but from what i seen in the battlefield from those that are up high in the ladder somwhat played agressively. you cant be top with kills only. you gotta do a crapload of damage as well so only sit back and steal kills wont work at all.

which also means that you have to be damn good. am satisfied with my 12th place in the IS-Heavy class piloting a quickdraw 5k.
the biggest Problem i had was definetly getting kills or the team-Support it Needs in this game/tournament with a mech like that.
too many People still treat this game as its all about kills and damage and then they call you noob or bad when you go in, take on 5 mechs, do your 300 damage while your teammates could Smash the enemies apart without any Problems.

but then you are the noob for doing only 300 damage. quite tragic that they cant see who made it possible for them to actually apply alot of damage without getting in Problems.

[Clit Beastwood]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 15 August 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

We're currently under a legal restriction from Quebec law where-in we cannot offer more than $100.00 in total prize value from a promotional contest. The alternative is a mountain of red-tape and paperwork to register the contest with the provincial gambling bureau.

As such, we looked at 3 alternative ways to deliver prizes for this competition, including reducing the number of prizes and dropping the top level prize: We felt the path we took was the safest of the options, but you are more than welcome to disagree and let us know why! There will be plenty more events like this in the future and room to adjust with each one.

Thanks for addressing the concern, Nikolai!

[Sandslice]

Eglar, on 18 August 2014 - 02:31 PM, said:

There is no such thing in this game. The kill was taken, because other teammates could not.

"Kill was taken because other teammates could not" would describe one kill that I had last night: an almost dead (but still armed) Timber Wolf was retreating out of our line of sight toward heavy friendly support, and I took a chance at finishing it - to remove that 'Mech from being a threat, not to get the kill credit.

On the other hand, there was one of my great Tourmaline Conquest runs last night.

It starts with my CDA-3C and an Awesome going over to kappa (from the side that has kappa to the left of spawn.) For some reason, the Awesome takes position to snipe people at theta, leaving me to handle the capping. An enemy Victor starts attacking me; after trading a couple shots, I backed off, swung around, artied the Victor, then ran past the Awesome /u yelling "Turn around!" It wasn't so much that I was worried about myself vs. the Victor, but the Awesome possibly getting popped from behind.

Once the Awesome complied, I had an ideal situation: the Victor was focusing him (and not very well,) allowing me to burrow his CTR with my ERPPC and machine guns. I had him dead to rights; I had all of his back with non-stop dakka, and needed about a quarter second to finish my plate. Then, out of the Ethereal Plane, a Jenner appears, adds some pew-pew to my dakka, and gets the kill credit.

There is such a thing as kill-stealing in this game - and that there was certainly it.

Edited by Sandslice, 19 August 2014 - 09:32 AM.

[Podex]

Meh, I don't think that's kill stealing. It's just him doing a light drive by. It's what they do.

Kill stealing to me is pretty cut and dry and I've only seen it once. A guy was standing behind a rock at roughly 10:00. I was trading fire with someone else while this guy just sat there watching us both get ripped to shreds. Once I had the enemy's CT cherry red, my teammate walks in front of my shot and alphas the guy that I've been working on.

It's a team-based game. Stats really don't matter one bit, but when you don't actively try to win, and do what that guy did, it's COD behavior and not needed in this game.