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[Rhialto]

I look at the Heavy leaderboard and notice that the 15th from Clan have more points than the very 1st from IS. Also, 2,711 for the 1st in Clan is a lot more higher than the 1st IS with 2,115.

What can explain this?

[Carrie Harder]

The Mad Cat.

Also notice the names of the Clan pilots and IS pilots for heavies...I recognize maybe 1-2 IS heavy pilots, but I see several of the Clan heavy pilots very often.

Edited by Carrie Harder, 16 August 2014 - 07:22 PM.

[Vassago Rain]

That clan mechs are much stronger than IS mechs.

Duh.

[darkkterror]

Clan Mechs OP.

[Carrie Harder]

Oh, and also, the tourney leaderboard indicates that IS lights are apparently superior to IS heavies. Wut.

Edited by Carrie Harder, 16 August 2014 - 07:28 PM.

[Kiiyor]

It's all TimberWolf. It's pretty much the perfect killing machine.The closest the IS has is probably the Jager, and it lags a fair way behind.

[Mister Blastman]

The TimberWolf. I'm not sure but I think all of them are using one. I'm 23rd at the moment in Heavy and I'm using a Summoner. Hard mode! Muwahahahaha.

[Vassago Rain]

Carrie Harder, on 16 August 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

Oh, and also, the tourney leaderboard indicates that IS lights are apparently superior to IS heavies. Wut.

Because clan lights are terrible.

[Carrie Harder]

Vassago Rain, on 16 August 2014 - 07:54 PM, said:

Because clan lights are terrible.

I was comparing the IS lights to IS heavies. :\

[Aim64C]

Carrie Harder, on 16 August 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

Oh, and also, the tourney leaderboard indicates that IS lights are apparently superior to IS heavies. Wut.

Probably has to do with the fact that a good light pilot stays on the fringes of battle and can fire main weapons more frequently without fear of being blown away. It's a rare day for me to put 40 points of pulse laser damage into a target from a battlemaster. It's common for me to dump medium lasers and PPC fire into targets all match long from one of my Jenners.

A lot of heavies can't pack that same agility. And mediums are just kind of there - spare for a few that can be interesting (blackjack).

Some of the ECM ravens have been very effective at scoring damage into that typically accomplished by assaults.

[Jin Ma]

timberwolf

Carrie Harder, on 16 August 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

Oh, and also, the tourney leaderboard indicates that IS lights are apparently superior to IS heavies. Wut.

my theory for that is because the IS heavy and assaults, are the slower targets for the clan onsaults perfect targets for the massive DPS.. however fast light mechs just dont get targetted by the clan or the IS for that matter

especially the clan ACs.. god knows u wouldnt try to target a fast IS mech with those, but a slow heavy IS mech on the other hand... I just love unloading rounds of lead into those.

Edited by Jin Ma, 16 August 2014 - 08:16 PM.

[Lefty Lucy]

Jin Ma, on 16 August 2014 - 08:11 PM, said:

timberwolf



my theory for that is because the IS heavy and assaults, are the slower targets for the clan onsaults perfect targets for the massive DPS.. however fast light mechs just dont get targetted by the clan or the IS for that matter

especially the clan ACs.. god knows u wouldnt try to target a fast IS mech with those, but a slow heavy IS mech on the other hand... I just love unloading rounds of lead into those.

Yep. Everyone loves to say how they'd drop a timberwolf's engine rating for more firepower, but for IS heavies to get good firepower you have to drop your engine rating and run a very, very vulnerable XL. Slow + Vulnerable = second class.

[John1352]

IS lights are going well because they're epic killstealers, and kills are worth everything in this tournament. You can't steal a kill on one side of the map, run over a mountain to the other side, steal another, and then be back in 20 seconds to finish off the first one's buddy in a Jagermech or Cataphract.

[Roland]

Rhialto, on 16 August 2014 - 07:18 PM, said:

I look at the Heavy leaderboard and notice that the 15th from Clan have more points than the very 1st from IS. Also, 2,711 for the 1st in Clan is a lot more higher than the 1st IS with 2,115.

What can explain this?

Spoiler

It's because clan heavies are way better.

[Lefty Lucy]

Roland, on 16 August 2014 - 09:05 PM, said:

Spoiler

It's because clan heavies are way better.

No, Roland, it's because the number 1 IS heavy is being piloted by a player still in their Cadet phase.

[Sorbic]

Vassago Rain, on 16 August 2014 - 07:54 PM, said:

Because clan lights are terrible.

They are only slightly behind IS lights. I mean currently there is about a 3.5% difference between the top IS and Clan light mechs. The second place clan is ever so slightly ahead of the same IS and 3rd is only behind by .5% So no, they aren't terrible.

[Aresye]

Rhialto, on 16 August 2014 - 07:18 PM, said:

I look at the Heavy leaderboard and notice that the 15th from Clan have more points than the very 1st from IS. Also, 2,711 for the 1st in Clan is a lot more higher than the 1st IS with 2,115.

What can explain this?

The Mad Cat is better than any IS heavy, so that plays a large role, but damage also plays a big factor.

An IS mech that gets 8 kills is going to do considerably less overall damage than a Clan mech that gets 8 kills. Now since part of the score is influenced by damage (damage - team damage / 15), Clan mechs will overall get more points for their damage done than their IS counterparts.

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

Look, I get it. Clans in TT and lore are suppose to be stronger than IS. BUT THIS IS NOT TT! This is an online FPS! The clans need to be different, but not more powerful!

Edited by Funkadelic Mayhem, 16 August 2014 - 11:53 PM.

[Jeb]

clan mechs are way easier to get big dmg scores in... but I find my kills stay about the same as in my IS mechs...
I see tons of clan mechs with 800+ dmg and no freaking kills... and we lose the match because nothing was killed...

Please don't' base mechs being good or bad on how much dmg they do... it doesn't matter how much dmg they do if they can't get that kill shot in...

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 16 August 2014 - 11:53 PM, said:

Look, I get it. Clans in TT and lore are suppose to be stronger than IS. BUT THIS IS NOT TT! This is an online FPS! The clans need to be different, but not more powerful!

And the devs have said they don't want TT clan versions... they are trying to balance them without making them more of just the same old thing... The devs have already made some tweaks, and I hope they keep doing small changes until they are balanced, instead of taking the NERF HAMMER to them and making them garbage... Believe it or not, some of the clan mechs could use some buffs

Give it some freaking time people, they are not even all released for cbills yet.

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

Jeb, on 16 August 2014 - 11:57 PM, said:

clan mechs are way easier to get big dmg scores in... but I find my kills stay about the same as in my IS mechs...
I see tons of clan mechs with 800+ dmg and no freaking kills... and we lose the match because nothing was killed...

Please don't' base mechs being good or bad on how much dmg they do... it doesn't matter how much dmg they do if they can't get that kill shot in...


And the devs have said they don't want TT clan versions... they are trying to balance them without making them more of just the same old thing... The devs have already made some tweaks, and I hope they keep doing small changes until they are balanced, instead of taking the NERF HAMMER to them and making them garbage... Believe it or not, some of the clan mechs could use some buffs

Give it some freaking time people, they are not even all released for cbills yet.

Give it time? and some clans need buffs? The raven pilots are still waiting for their legs go back to where they are suppose to be.

Edited by Funkadelic Mayhem, 17 August 2014 - 12:00 AM.