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[Heisenbug]

I never understood why this game never added a PvE element. I have quite a few friends that just aren't interested in PvP (for a variety of reasons), and I'd always assumed that a PvE mode would be coming, eventually (a la the previous MechWarrior computer games). I really looked forward to being able share this game with my PvE-centric friends.

My guess had been that the impending clan invasion would be just this, the PvE side of the game; if you're going to have a bunch of hardened PvP'ers playing a PvE mode, it made sense to me to give them a worthy opponent... like the clans.

I was disappointed to see that the clan invasion just seems to have been a cash grab. What mystifies me about that is Piranha seems to have left a lot of money on the table by not opening the game to the PvE crowd while unbalancing the existing game to cater to he P2W crowd (as well as those bored with the IS mechs).

For a game that got SO much right, it's a severe disappointment to see Piranha make such a big misstep. In the end, they didn't expand the player base, while making the game less fun for a significant potion of the existing base.

Please feel free to discuss...

(PS: I suppose it's not too late, they could create a PvE mode/scenarios focusing on the clan invasion, only allowing players to use IS mechs. But given the severe lack of investment by Piranha into this game - new maps anyone? - I tend to think that's not going to happen.)

[Aresye]

Then what about the players that enjoy being able to pilot Clan mechs and have waited 2 years for the opportunity? Forcing them to play IS against Clan mechs driven by AI and not being able to pilot them would cause more players to quit the game than the very, very few who have actually left because of the Clans.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Not to be a downer, but they can't figure out what to do with turrets AI right now.

Do you really think they're capable of doing roaming, challenging, intelligent mechs in a campaign setting, on top of all the extra work required to do missions, maps ,waypoints and storyline stuff on top of it?

Going to be a long long time.

[Wolfways]

If PGI had said right at the start that players would not be playing clans i wouldn't have even downloaded the game. I just wish i'd known back then that stock clan mechs would suck due to the limited customization

[Vertigo 1]

I'm all for some kind of horde/wave co-op mode. But to answer your question, the reason they probably haven't considered investing the manpower to cater to the PvE crowd, is because they are a year+ behind on delivering to the PvP crowd with Community Warfare.

Wolfways, on 17 August 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

If PGI had said right at the start that players would not be playing clans i wouldn't have even downloaded the game. I just wish i'd known back then that stock clan mechs would suck due to the limited customization

Isn't this a contradiction? Running a stock mech would mean you wouldn't customize anything. And this game has never been about running in stock mode, since the very beginning.

Edited by Vertigo 1, 17 August 2014 - 12:26 PM.

[Khobai]

PVE would completely kill this game if it was added at the expense of PVP content.

The only way they could implement PVE is if they were able to hire a whole seperate team to work on it. Which would basically require a kickstarter and the players would have to be willing to pay for it.

[Sephlock]

Khobai, on 17 August 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

PVE would completely kill this game if it was added at the expense of PVP content.

The only way they could implement PVE is if they were able to hire a whole seperate team to work on it. Which would basically require a kickstarter and the players would have to be willing to pay for it.

Would those players get gold AI elemental support?

Ideally they'd cling to my mech and hop off to tear enemies to pieces .

[Sarlic]

They scrapped singleplayer.

I wish they wouldn't scrapped it.

I think this serie would blow minds when you make a strong singleplayer game. I know it's against the official rules, but thats my opinion about it. Strong stories like Batman, each year expandable with new missions, stories and things to solve.

[Jabilo]

Khobai, on 17 August 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

PVE would completely kill this game if it was added at the expense of PVP content.

The only way they could implement PVE is if they were able to hire a whole seperate team to work on it. Which would basically require a kickstarter and the players would have to be willing to pay for it.

Show me the dotted line and I will sign.

I would happily throw in £30.00 ($50.00) to a kickstarter.

Most of you will remember this game was initially conceived as a single player game and this awesome trailer:

Edited by Jabilo, 17 August 2014 - 12:48 PM.

[BourbonFaucet]

I dream of a 4 player PvE mode, one where every team has one 'mech of each weight class, and one where C-Bill rewards were earned.

It'd be great.

[Anassi]

Wolfways, on 17 August 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

If PGI had said right at the start that players would not be playing clans i wouldn't have even downloaded the game. I just wish i'd known back then that stock clan mechs would suck due to the limited customization

The stock Nova Prime is actually a pretty decent mech, and a great one to learn on. It will teach you to manage your heat properly, it will teach you to use chainfire to your advantage and above all it will teach you not to panic when under direct fire.

As far as customizations go, with the various Omnipods the Clan mechs are very customizeable, moreso than most other mechs. I get that a lot of people (me included) would like the option to put in a bigger engine or upgrade the structure, but well... The customization works pretty well without it.

[Wolfways]

Anassi, on 17 August 2014 - 02:18 PM, said:

The stock Nova Prime is actually a pretty decent mech, and a great one to learn on. It will teach you to manage your heat properly, it will teach you to use chainfire to your advantage and above all it will teach you not to panic when under direct fire.

As far as customizations go, with the various Omnipods the Clan mechs are very customizeable, moreso than most other mechs. I get that a lot of people (me included) would like the option to put in a bigger engine or upgrade the structure, but well... The customization works pretty well without it.

The only thing i want is to increase the armour without changing the stock weapons, like i've done on my IS mechs.

[Warblood]

you do know that Smith&Tinker did that MechWarrior5 vid right (psss thats y it looks so good)... PGI was only taged on it cause they were pickin up the licencing rights at the same time...

Edited by Warblood, 17 August 2014 - 03:15 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Warblood, on 17 August 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

you do know that Smith&Tinker did that MechWarrior5 vid right (psss thats y it looks so good)... PGI was only taged on it cause they were pickin up the licencing rights at the same time...

They do look much funner than COD:3050.

[Mystere]

How many times should it be said? No publisher wanted a single-player Mechwarrior game. Nobody.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Mystere, on 17 August 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

How many times should it be said? No publisher wanted a single-player Mechwarrior game. Nobody.

Yes, they "abandoned" it when nobody would fund it. It's all PGI's fault for not making other people invest in their game idea, even though we here on the forums think it was awesome. (edit - sarcasm)

Geeze... it's about time that people realize that MW:O is actually crowd-funded by Us, the paying players. We brought it to life, and we keep it alive. The MechWarrior franchise was dead for 10 years before PGI tried to get a single-player campaign going, but the big video game publishing firms didn't agree to an Xbox-only campaign game (since Microsoft would not allow a PlayStation-port). Now, we have a living game thanks to Us, the paying players.

If you're pissed at PGI for not making a single-player Xbox-only game, then blame Microsoft and the video game publishing firms. Don't blame the people who pulled MechWarrior from the bowels of dusty oblivion and breathed life into it.

Remember - PVE was curtailed by the gaming industry, not PGI.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 17 August 2014 - 03:48 PM.

[Mechteric]

Fact: All previous Mechwarrior games had terrible AI.

[Heisenbug]

Prosperity Park, on 17 August 2014 - 03:45 PM, said:

If you're pissed at PGI for not making a single-player Xbox-only game...

Woah, slow yer roll, son, noone's getting pissed ('cept perhaps you?). Just posted an opin w/some questions included. I've found the feedback/history lesson very informative.

I don't think a functional AI should be that difficult given the plethora of existing examples industry-wide. That said, it takes time, effort and expertise which all = $. So I get it.

I still think it would be awesome and would be a worthwhile effort on PGI's part. And f*** what Microsoft/Xbox thinks about anything, do you know of a single good idea those assclowns have had in the last decade? But if this is just a game getting produced by some guy and his buddies out of their garage in Vancouver, then fair enough, I'll lower my expectations.

Edited by Heisenbug, 18 August 2014 - 12:17 AM.

[PANZERKAT]

Wolfways, on 17 August 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

If PGI had said right at the start that players would not be playing clans i wouldn't have even downloaded the game. I just wish i'd known back then that stock clan mechs would suck due to the limited customization

Clans were all about limited customizable options. They had pods that went on to suit the environment. The variants are those pods on the mechs. It's more efficient and the clans are all about efficiency, PLUS they don't own their mechs like IS pilots do, in many cases. If you were an exceptional pilot maybe. The characters from the books etc, but no, Clan Test tube babies weren't allowed to own their toys so no mucking around with them beyond manufactured specs and allowed pods. You may be assigned a different mech or dumped into another Star where a mech you've been in won't be sent. Such is the life in the Clans.

Edited by KOMMISSAR KITTY, 18 August 2014 - 12:33 AM.

[Wolfways]

KOMMISSAR KITTY, on 18 August 2014 - 12:32 AM, said:

Clans were all about limited customizable options. They had pods that went on to suit the environment. The variants are those pods on the mechs. It's more efficient and the clans are all about efficiency, PLUS they don't own their mechs like IS pilots do, in many cases. If you were an exceptional pilot maybe. The characters from the books etc, but no, Clan Test tube babies weren't allowed to own their toys so no mucking around with them beyond manufactured specs and allowed pods. You may be assigned a different mech or dumped into another Star where a mech you've been in won't be sent. Such is the life in the Clans.

I understand the lore reason why clan mechs have limited customization, but PGI followed that while completely ignoring that IS mechs weren't all fully customized.
In MWO clan players are "grunts" (if that term could be applied to mechwarriors) while IS players are all "heroes".