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[MischiefSC]

Roland, on 23 August 2014 - 06:20 PM, said:

The thing is, you have the LPL, so you still need to face your target for the full duration time as the cerml.

That's why I'm not seeing the point of pairing them with the lpl. The erml has better synergy.

I rarely fire them all together. The LPL I use at range when I've got the time, often with only 2 MPLs. I only fire all at once when I'm in a brawl or it's a killshot. Mostly and I stick and twist with the MPLs, rotating in the LPL when I need a finishing shot. It still runs cooler than the 7mpls that some people run and is more reliable than the SRM12 that tends to go with it. For me, anyway.

Not every shot has to be an alphastrike

[Bishop Steiner]

MischiefSC, on 23 August 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

Not every shot has to be an alphastrike

[John80sk]

Shhh... Paul will nerf it if you keep talking about it.

[Ultimax]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 August 2014 - 06:15 PM, said:

Trends lend to EZMode, EZMode alone does not define "effective".

1) "Trend" I meant "statistical trends" vs. "anecdotal evidence" not trendy as in popular.

2) I have a hard time thinking that cERMLAS instead cMPL suddenly equals "easy mode".


If anything, by the estimation of both you and Mischief, staying on target longer to deal optimum damage with less opportunities to twist is the harder way to do it - not easier.

[MischiefSC]

Ultimatum X, on 23 August 2014 - 06:45 PM, said:

1) "Trend" I meant "statistical trends" vs. "anecdotal evidence" not trendy as in popular.

2) I have a hard time thinking that cERMLAS instead cMPL suddenly equals "easy mode".


If anything, by the estimation of both you and Mischief, staying on target longer to deal optimum damage with less opportunities to twist is the harder way to do it - not easier.

Just try it. Seriously, I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm saying it's worth trying. Give it 10 matches, play it to its strengths. It is a warm build; like any energy build. It tanks well though and puts the hurt where you want it more easily.

Even the best player has to put effort into keeping lasers on target. That's why PPFLD is so good. A 40% reduction in time on target is significant.

[MischiefSC]

Damn it. Another helping of crow!

Decided to get my TW-C Mastered, so went with the full 7 MPLs and the SRM12.

Hot, but damn. Two alphas to the sweet chewy center of... well, anything.

Yeah. Solid build.

[Ultimax]

MischiefSC, on 23 August 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

Just try it. Seriously, I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm saying it's worth trying. Give it 10 matches, play it to its strengths. It is a warm build; like any energy build. It tanks well though and puts the hurt where you want it more easily.

Even the best player has to put effort into keeping lasers on target. That's why PPFLD is so good. A 40% reduction in time on target is significant.

1.3 - 40% =/= 0.9

I'll try it one of these days when I feel like mucking around with my build.

My current load out works very well, I see no reason to mess with a good thing.

[MischiefSC]

Over 30% then? 0.4 sec.

Whatever suits your fancy. I started the thread to apologize for having made assumptions on Clan pulse lasers without playing it out. I was wrong, like an adult I fessed up.

Now apparently I'm going to get them nerfed

[Y E O N N E]

Even IS pulse lasers are worth using if you put them on the right machines and take the time to learn how to play them. Most of my high-damage, high-kill-count matches are achieved using pulse lasers. Small Pulse on the Locust, Medium Pulse on the Firestarter, Medium Pulse on the Catapult, Medium and Large Pulse on the Arrow (and my Arrow holds my record). Being able to dump the damage and then run/twist is extremely helpful, to say nothing of the damage boost.

Getting more heat-sinks in doesn't mean anything at all if you can't get the damage out at the rate you want it. If I can kill you faster than I heat up, I am in business. You can run cool all you'd like, you are still going to die first.

[Ultimax]

1) Good game Mischief, well played.
2) On the losing team, using the load out I use. Another player (who can name himself, I'm just not naming out of courtesy) scored twice your damage. In case you think anecdotes mean much.

[Bishop Steiner]

Ultimatum X, on 23 August 2014 - 07:11 PM, said:

1) Good game Mischief, well played.
2) On the losing team, using the load out I use. Another player (who can name himself, I'm just not naming out of courtesy) scored twice your damage. In case you think anecdotes mean much.

so I guess I should stop using builds I consistently and categorically do good in, if the "pros" say the math doesn't add up, and instead use good "mathwarrior/smurfy builds" even if I suck in them?

Or should I just keep using my "bad" build, but simply keep quiet and all,because they are bad?

[MischiefSC]

Ultimatum X, on 23 August 2014 - 07:11 PM, said:

1) Good game Mischief, well played.
2) On the losing team, using the load out I use. Another player (who can name himself, I'm just not naming out of courtesy) scored twice your damage. In case you think anecdotes mean much.

I'm better at kills than damage in these.

Also I missed that - my match score was 101 though, I'll call that good enough for me.

More to the point I've managed to get my total win/loss % in TWs up a couple of percentage points - that's hard, I'm at ~700 drops right now.

It works well for me. Hence my ire at PGI over the Clan Pulse design/balance was ill-placed. That's the gist of this thread.

What does please me a great deal about Clan mechs is that it's really, really hard to pin down a single optimal build. It's not like DS poptart used to be, or AC5x2 + 2xPPC.

that, more than anything else, speaks well of Clan weapon balance. I'd written off pulse lasers -

I was wrong. My bad.

Edited by MischiefSC, 23 August 2014 - 07:23 PM.

[Ultimax]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 August 2014 - 07:19 PM, said:

so I guess I should stop using builds I consistently and categorically do good in, if the "pros" say the math doesn't add up, and instead use good "mathwarrior/smurfy builds" even if I suck in them?

Or should I just keep using my "bad" build, but simply keep quiet and all,because they are bad?

Who is telling you to stop using anything?

Who is telling you to keep quiet?


I think you are fighting imaginary enemies Bishop.

[Ultimax]

MischiefSC, on 23 August 2014 - 07:21 PM, said:

I'm better at kills than damage in these.

Fair enough. Enjoy?

I have good matches in the build I'm using, even if today has been awful.
So I'm inclined to stick with it.

MischiefSC, on 23 August 2014 - 07:21 PM, said:

Also I missed that - my match score was 101 though, I'll call that good enough for me.

I think his match score was 170 ish? Pretty impressive, better than I performed by quite a bit.

[MischiefSC]

Ultimatum X, on 23 August 2014 - 07:37 PM, said:

Fair enough. Enjoy?

I have good matches in the build I'm using, even if today has been awful.
So I'm inclined to stick with it.











I think his match score was 170 ish? Pretty impressive, better than I performed by quite a bit.

how did I miss that? Clearly it was his turn to carry.

Keep the build if you like it. This wasn't some personal challenge of the build you're using; it's just me doing what I said - saying that contrary to what I'd said before based only on a Smurfy comparison and not practice the CMPLs are actually pretty good.

[Ultimax]

MischiefSC, on 23 August 2014 - 07:47 PM, said:

how did I miss that? Clearly it was his turn to carry.

Dunno, he was the last one to die.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

MischiefSC, on 23 August 2014 - 06:55 PM, said:

Damn it. Another helping of crow!

Decided to get my TW-C Mastered, so went with the full 7 MPLs and the SRM12.

Hot, but damn. Two alphas to the sweet chewy center of... well, anything.

Yeah. Solid build.

You prefer the SRMs over a fat TC in one arm and tons of DHS? I'll alternate between 4MPL 3MPL bursts or the full 50pt alpha when stripping fresh limbs away. That's how the WubWulf rolls.

Edited by lockwoodx, 23 August 2014 - 07:53 PM.

[Graugger]

MischiefSC, on 23 August 2014 - 11:30 AM, said:

So I owe PGI an apology on Clan Pulse Lasers. I ragged all over them seven ways from Sunday, they were too heavy, too little benefit, etc.

Then I dropped with Captain Blanton and some other friends in group queue and watched him wreck face with 7 CMPLs and 2xSRM6s.

I don't mean a little, I mean hardcore flat out wreck FACE with them. As in 'rebar with a hunk of cement on the end getting swung by the Hulk at baby kittens' sort of wrecked face.

So I took my own twist on it and went with 2xCLPL, 4xCMPLs and like 6 or 7 extra DHS.

Hot damn. Seriously, it's 50pts of damage that's not hard to make pinpoint up close and runs terribly cool. I get 3 or 4 alpha strikes and if I have the target in sight for a few seconds (like brawling) I can essentially chain those bad boys up in 3 groups of 2 and just roll pain on someone in short, sharp bursts until I get tired of the scrolling 'component destroyed' message up the left side of my screen.

Clan pluse lasers are the BOMB DIGGITY.

So, eating crow on that one. It does, however, still taste like winning.

Anyone else finding magic in those clan Pulse Lasers?

Judging by this report I think pulse lasers are OP and need to be nerfed.

[MischiefSC]

lockwoodx, on 23 August 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

You prefer the SRMs over a fat TC in one arm and tons of DHS? I'll alternate between 4MPL 3MPL bursts or the full 50pt alpha when stripping fresh limbs away. That's how the WubWulf rolls.

I just can't get the TC to feel like it pays for itself. Maybe I'll play with it a bit more.

[Bishop Steiner]

Ultimatum X, on 23 August 2014 - 07:31 PM, said:

Who is telling you to stop using anything?

Who is telling you to keep quiet?


I think you are fighting imaginary enemies Bishop.

really, so the deluge of "experts" who constantly get on posts like this telling us we are bads, using bad builds and any success is purely anecdotal is totally imaginary, eh? Maybe you want to reread this thread, even?