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[jaxjace]

I mean new mechs to be implimented into the game. Because as it stands we should pretty much be able to eventually get all the mechs from tech readout 2750-3025-3050

So which ones have been stated as impossible or not going to happen? (which honestly is stupid anyway, but whatever they can lose money.)

Personally I want a Hollander and a Marauder.

[BourbonFaucet]

jaxjace, on 24 August 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

I mean new mechs to be implimented into the game. Because as it stands we should pretty much be able to eventually get all the mechs from tech readout 2750-3025-3050

So which ones have been stated as impossible or not going to happen? (which honestly is stupid anyway, but whatever they can lose money.)

Personally I want a Hollander and a Marauder.

Theoretically they could do a Marauder by making their own design, but they don't have the guts to do so. Same goes for the other "unseen" we don't have yet, we could have them, but PGI doesn't have the cajones to risk a lawsuit from the copyright whores known as Harmony Gold.

edit: I don't necessarily blame PGI, just telling the truth.

Edited by Techorse, 24 August 2014 - 02:09 PM.

[stjobe]

Well, there's several problems with getting new 'Mechs into MWO.

One is, of course, Harmony Gold. They're sitting on the Stinger, Wasp, Valkyrie, Phoenix Hawk, Crusader, Firebee, Hornet, Ostsol, Ostscout, Behemoth, Archer, Warhammer, Rifleman, Longbow, and Marauder. May they rot in hell.

Then, there's technical problems; we won't see any quads, so that's the Goliath and Scorpion gone.

Finally, there's the whole skill system; 'Mechs without three variants won't make it into the game.

So yeah; the list of 3050 'Mechs that can be introduced isn't really as big as one might think; in fact we're getting close to full in certain weight classes - I believe there's just two or three eligible IS lights left.

[Carrie Harder]

Quads are definitely impossible, because PGI. And even if they did, balancing them would be hard because they have drastically fewer critical slots to use for equipment. They would be underpowered as hell without some extremely massive quirks to counterarct that weakness.

There's also the aforementioned issues with Harmony Gold being Harmony Gold. HG gonna HG.

Lastly, mechs that lack three variants are also impossible, because PGI is too stubborn to have exceptions to this utterly stupid skill system. They could inflate the XP costs for mechs with fewer variants, or even just make up their own damn variants. But they wont, because PGI.


Preemptive Edit: Also, stjobe ninja'd me!

[Koniving]

stjobe, on 24 August 2014 - 02:44 PM, said:

Well, there's several problems with getting new 'Mechs into MWO.

One is, of course, Harmony Gold. They're sitting on the Stinger, Wasp, Valkyrie, Phoenix Hawk, Crusader, Firebee, Hornet, Ostsol, Ostscout, Behemoth, Archer, Warhammer, Rifleman, Longbow, and Marauder. May they rot in hell.

Damn it, they have the Archer too?

Damn it! >.<; I just grew to love that stackpole-prone piece of crap, too!

Nothing like a mech whose auto ejection system tends to KILL the ejecting pilots (at least with every single ejection I've had in tabletop. "Landing in light woods," "Pilot is dead.") and an engine that easily gets crit 6 times in a single turn, resulting in Stackpole... aka an explosive eruption that damages nearby buildings and kills nearby mechs.

Details of the epic stackpole.

Edited by Koniving, 24 August 2014 - 02:50 PM.

[KamikazeRat]

the Unseen stuff gets a little confusing, the images, but not the mechs themselves are copyrighted, and some have come out of copyright, some haven't. so they could make a mech called the maurader, as long as it looked nothing like the original one, it would pass. some of the IIC stuff did this.

[Ph30nix]

Carrie Harder, on 24 August 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

Quads are definitely impossible, because PGI. And even if they did, balancing them would be hard because they have drastically fewer critical slots to use for equipment. They would be underpowered as hell without some extremely massive quirks to counterarct that weakness.

There's also the aforementioned issues with Harmony Gold being Harmony Gold. HG gonna HG.

Lastly, mechs that lack three variants are also impossible, because PGI is too stubborn to have exceptions to this utterly stupid skill system. They could inflate the XP costs for mechs with fewer variants, or even just make up their own damn variants. But they wont, because PGI.


Preemptive Edit: Also, stjobe ninja'd me!

easier would be for them to create their own variants..... but that would take thought and planning. they have reached their limit in that ability.

[Carrie Harder]

Ph30nix, on 24 August 2014 - 02:54 PM, said:

easier would be for them to create their own variants..... but that would take thought and planning. they have reached their limit in that ability.

The thing is, from a technical standpoint, making their own variants would be really really easy. Just add and subtract a few hardpoints and/or JJs and/or engine limit and/or modules.

The issue is that Piggy doesn't want to create non-canon entities. Which is funny, because they do that ALL THE TIME with things like the skill system and module system, and engine limits, and hardpoints, and certain weapon mechanics, and so on. One of PGI's biggest issues is that they choose to adhere to canon in situations where it would be terrible to do so, and they also deviate in a few areas where is it terrible to do so. They don't know how to pick out the parts that are good and ditch the parts that aren't so good.

[SirLANsalot]

The fact still stands that HG has no leg to stand on when it comes to there "copyrighted" stuff.

If you did take them to court on it, you would win. The material stuff in question is not being used, and has not been used for many years, thus nullifying anything they MIGHT think they "own". Courts would rule in favor of PGI due to a company currently looking to use said material, while the other company who "owns" the stuff is doing nothing with it.

[Mcgral18]

Koniving, on 24 August 2014 - 02:47 PM, said:

Damn it, they have the Archer too?

Damn it! >.<; I just grew to love that stackpole-prone piece of crap, too!

Nothing like a mech whose auto ejection system tends to KILL the ejecting pilots (at least with every single ejection I've had in tabletop. "Landing in light woods," "Pilot is dead.") and an engine that easily gets crit 6 times in a single turn, resulting in Stackpole... aka an explosive eruption that damages nearby buildings and kills nearby mechs.

Details of the epic stackpole.

Those chain Stackpoles certainly are interesting. Both in MWLL and MegaMek.

I've had a 3 Stackpole chain after someone kicked my mech open...it was beautiful.

[Wintersdark]

SirLANsalot, on 24 August 2014 - 02:59 PM, said:

The fact still stands that HG has no leg to stand on when it comes to there &quot;copyrighted&quot; stuff.

If you did take them to court on it, you would win. The material stuff in question is not being used, and has not been used for many years, thus nullifying anything they MIGHT think they &quot;own&quot;. Courts would rule in favor of PGI due to a company currently looking to use said material, while the other company who &quot;owns&quot; the stuff is doing nothing with it.

It doesn't matter if PGI could win, what matters is whether or not PGI can afford a cripplingly expensive lawsuit. Harmony Gold has massive resources and a legit (from a legal standpoint) lawsuit to be made, even if they know they'd lose.

Because of that, even if PGI won they'd have no chance to recover costs.

As such, all HG needs to do is threaten a lawsuit, as they always do. They've proved they will follow through as well. Simply because by choosing to fight, PGI loses more than they'd make selling those mechs.

[Joseph Mallan]

stjobe, on 24 August 2014 - 02:44 PM, said:

Well, there's several problems with getting new 'Mechs into MWO.

One is, of course, Harmony Gold. They're sitting on the Stinger, Wasp, Valkyrie, Phoenix Hawk, Crusader, Firebee, Hornet, Ostsol, Ostscout, Behemoth, Archer, Warhammer, Rifleman, Longbow, and Marauder. May they rot in hell.

Then, there's technical problems; we won't see any quads, so that's the Goliath and Scorpion gone.

Finally, there's the whole skill system; 'Mechs without three variants won't make it into the game.

So yeah; the list of 3050 'Mechs that can be introduced isn't really as big as one might think; in fact we're getting close to full in certain weight classes - I believe there's just two or three eligible IS lights left.

There are many replacements take the 2750 Mechs for instance, Yes PGI would have to make a few extra variants to keep the 3 strikes requirements.

[Nauht]

SirLANsalot, on 24 August 2014 - 02:59 PM, said:

The fact still stands that HG has no leg to stand on when it comes to there &quot;copyrighted&quot; stuff.

If you did take them to court on it, you would win. The material stuff in question is not being used, and has not been used for many years, thus nullifying anything they MIGHT think they &quot;own&quot;. Courts would rule in favor of PGI due to a company currently looking to use said material, while the other company who &quot;owns&quot; the stuff is doing nothing with it.

Not much of a victory if a Pyrrhic victory - and HG has far more resources than PGI.

[Ryoken]

I do not get why PGI doesn't take two mech chassis with to few variants and combines them in 3-mech bundles anyway.

Let the Thug be one "variant" of Hatamoto.
Let the Wolfhound be one "variant" of the Panther (they belong together like fire and water anyway )
and so on...

[KamikazeRat]

Ryoken, on 24 August 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

I do not get why PGI doesn't take two mech chassis with to few variants and combines them in 3-mech bundles anyway.

Let the Thug be one "variant" of Hatamoto.
Let the Wolfhound be one "variant" of the Panther (they belong together like fire and water anyway )
and so on...

Thug, and Hatamoto-Chi both have 3, and the Hatamoto is a Charger-Thug mashup, and i think the charger has 3 as well, Wolfhound/Panther? ok...

examples not withstanding, i do get what you're saying, i also think the simpler option would be to just make up some, no one would really care that much.

[Sephlock]

KamikazeRat, on 24 August 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

Thug, and Hatamoto-Chi both have 3, and the Hatamoto is a Charger-Thug mashup, and i think the charger has 3 as well, Wolfhound/Panther? ok...

examples not withstanding, i do get what you're saying, i also think the simpler option would be to just make up some, no one would really care that much.

Upvoted for suggesting we allow made-up variants.



Just pretend they're all laser AMS.

[Mcgral18]

Sephlock, on 24 August 2014 - 05:15 PM, said:

Upvoted for suggesting we allow made-up variants.



Just pretend they're all laser AMS.

Brah, don't forget that ghost heat!

Each LAMS generates the same heat as a ERML, or for the IS version, 7 heat!

[Wintersdark]

Nauht, on 24 August 2014 - 03:58 PM, said:

Not much of a victory if a Pyrrhic victory - and HG has far more resources than PGI.

Exactly. It doesn't matter if you can win the lawsuit, if fighting it ruins you.

Sephlock, on 24 August 2014 - 05:15 PM, said:

Upvoted for suggesting we allow made-up variants.



Just pretend they're all laser AMS.

Incoming missile volley...

AMS lights up...

Mech dissolves into a molten pool of slag.

[n r g]

I'm still waiting on my Nova Cat.

[SirLANsalot]

Wintersdark, on 24 August 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

It doesn't matter if PGI could win, what matters is whether or not PGI can afford a cripplingly expensive lawsuit. Harmony Gold has massive resources and a legit (from a legal standpoint) lawsuit to be made, even if they know they'd lose.

Because of that, even if PGI won they'd have no chance to recover costs.

As such, all HG needs to do is threaten a lawsuit, as they always do. They've proved they will follow through as well. Simply because by choosing to fight, PGI loses more than they'd make selling those mechs.

Wrong.


PGI could file first, or if they get filed against and fight, and win, they could make HG pay the legal fees on grounds of slander and intent to harm the company. PGI would not only gain the mechs, but also lose no money in the process.

That is assuming Canadian Law works like U.S Law, which as far as I know, it sorta does. That and HG would have to make a convincing story IN Canada in the first place.


Either that, or someone with deep pockets from the community could file something against HG.........