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[Gryphon187]

During 3 games yesterday, there were people who were complaining about LRMs. Basically the gist of their complaints were 1) "the only reason I was killed was due to someone, or several someones, using LRMs", and 2) REAL 'MechWarriors would stand and slug it out with lasers, not be a coward and hide behind cover and launch LRMs. My response is this: AMS, ECM, and FIND COVER! Most Battlemechs can mount AMS and/or ECM. Use it! Also, stick near cover and use it when you get the warning signal. These are not 100% effective, These things will help extend your life in the game. As far as standing and slugging it out, I am not that honorable, I fight to win, not for honor. I PREFER to stand behind cover and attack the enemy, while avoiding return fire. Additionally, in order to be more effective with LRM + Artemis, line of sight is needed. That means exposing myself to possible return fire. I have been on both sides of the LRM issue. I have pounded Battlemechs into dust with LRMs, and I have been the recipient of being pounded into dust by enemy LRMs. I accept LRMs as part of the game. I deal with them using the above methods, or I die. But I don't complain about them.

[El Bandito]

I guess those LRM QQers are the sorry off-springs of those who died frequently to proximity mines in Golden Eye 64.

Oh, the fun I had with those, and the amount of rage I caused.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 September 2014 - 08:08 PM.

[Lynx7725]

Y'know, we almost made a whole week without any LRM threads. That would have been a historical moment for MWO forums! Sigh...

[Bartholomew bartholomew]

That'll never happen

[Tezcatli]

They need to buff individual LRM launchers and nerf grouping them together. No longer allow piggybacking someone's lock, except for when used with Tag or Narc. It should be an effective weapon system that requires some skill imo. Not just sit in the back and go "Click, click, click, click."

[Escef]

I think they need to nerf whiners, they're way too OP.

[Pecosdude]

Escef, on 04 September 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

I think they need to nerf whiners, they're way too OP.

Haha, thats a good one.

[Johnny Reb]

Lynx7725, on 04 September 2014 - 08:42 PM, said:

Y'know, we almost made a whole week without any LRM threads. That would have been a historical moment for MWO forums! Sigh...

At least in the last 2 months.

[El Bandito]

People should complain about NARC instead. It needs drop damage.

[Kjudoon]

Gryphon187, on 04 September 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

During 3 games yesterday, there were people who were complaining about LRMs. Basically the gist of their complaints were 1) "the only reason I was killed was due to someone, or several someones, using LRMs", and 2) REAL 'MechWarriors would stand and slug it out with lasers, not be a coward and hide behind cover and launch LRMs. My response is this: AMS, ECM, and FIND COVER! Most Battlemechs can mount AMS and/or ECM. Use it! Also, stick near cover and use it when you get the warning signal. These are not 100% effective, These things will help extend your life in the game. As far as standing and slugging it out, I am not that honorable, I fight to win, not for honor. I PREFER to stand behind cover and attack the enemy, while avoiding return fire. Additionally, in order to be more effective with LRM + Artemis, line of sight is needed. That means exposing myself to possible return fire. I have been on both sides of the LRM issue. I have pounded Battlemechs into dust with LRMs, and I have been the recipient of being pounded into dust by enemy LRMs. I accept LRMs as part of the game. I deal with them using the above methods, or I die. But I don't complain about them.

I quote the argument between Egg Chen and Wang Chi in "Big Trouble in Little China" about the wisdom of an umbrella in the rain.

Wang Chi: A brave man likes the feel of nature on his face, Jack.[/color]
Egg Shen: Yeah, and a wise man has enough sense to get in out of the rain![/color]

Edited by Kjudoon, 04 September 2014 - 10:46 PM.

[Kjudoon]

Tezcatli, on 04 September 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

They need to buff individual LRM launchers and nerf grouping them together. No longer allow piggybacking someone's lock, except for when used with Tag or Narc. It should be an effective weapon system that requires some skill imo. Not just sit in the back and go "Click, click, click, click."

Yes... nerf teamworkin a teamwork game. We must encourage Rambotardia. There's too few people walking around thinking they're Rambo here or the Master Chief with a thousand respawns in their back pocket and healing potions to boot.

[El Bandito]

Tezcatli, on 04 September 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

They need to buff individual LRM launchers and nerf grouping them together. No longer allow piggybacking someone's lock, except for when used with Tag or Narc. It should be an effective weapon system that requires some skill imo. Not just sit in the back and go "Click, click, click, click."

As long as PGI buff LRM speed to 200 m/s and nerf GECM function to canon value, I am totally fine with that.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 September 2014 - 11:13 PM.

[FREDtheDEAD]

The problem is with PUG games.

I don't doubt it's fine for premades and private matches where teams have ECM cover and are built to be balanced fighting forces, but it's an issue with PUGgers where it's a complete rock-paper-scissors if your team or the enemy get any LRM boats or any ECM. I suppose this might change with CW... somehow... but it's bloody annoying at the moment.

[FREDtheDEAD]

Kjudoon, on 04 September 2014 - 10:45 PM, said:

Wang Chi: A brave man likes the feel of nature on his face, Jack.[/color]
Egg Shen: Yeah, and a wise man has enough sense to get in out of the rain![/color]

And an assault mech pilot accepts that he's going to get very wet indeed before reaching cover.

[Black Ivan]

PGI needs to change ECM to canon value.

Edited by Black Ivan, 05 September 2014 - 12:30 AM.

[Kjudoon]

Then that Assault mech is not playing smart enough. I run assault mechs, and if I can't get it over 70, or at the very very slowest, the high 60's it's not fast enough to run. ANd yes, I know that most assaults can't do it. That means they have to play tighter to cover, and use AMS to soften the punches if not ECM.

I also run in PUGs from time to time when I'm grinding a quick game or two, or just don't want to be around other people for a while. You can never trust to have ECM, so you have to play all the time like you don't have ECM. It's called overcome and conquer. It's not always fun or easy or even possible. YOu may have a lot of derp on your team and that there will destroy you. But it's not the LRMs fault. Be aware of your surroundings, and play like you're really in the cockpit and could die. It generally makes you a lot more responsible and aware of your moves and keeps you playing smarter the whole time.

Not saying I manage it all the time, but I do a lot of the time.

[FREDtheDEAD]

Escef, on 04 September 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

I think they need to nerf whiners, they're way too OP.

If PGI paid any attention to suggestions on the forums, UI 2 would look like Smurfys and 3rd person wouldn't exist. Clearly they follow their own path.

[Chrithu]

Isaid in the last 100 LRM threads and I say it again:

About the only thing that still bothers me about LRM gameplay is the fact that you get no feedback from the game whatsoever if you got hit by a NARC. I think adding such feedback should have been a no brainer at the same time the NARCs were buffed.

[STEF_]

Xajorkith, on 05 September 2014 - 12:25 AM, said:

And an assault mech pilot accepts that he's going to get very wet indeed before reaching cover.

That's part of his skill; understanding what it's going on, what kind of mechs the enemy have before being late, ecc.

[Ryvucz]

I know someone who quits matches just because LRMs are fielded.