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[Mott]

Question:

Since the forums are limited to really just fighting over the definition of "DOA".... does this mean PGI has perfected the game and all is great?!?!?!

*rejoices*

[Hobo Dan]

Torgun, on 04 September 2014 - 01:03 PM, said:

So you're saying it's mostly a coincidence we never see any Quickdraws or Trebs? Or Dragons for that matter?

Who is "we"? I saw all three of those mechs yesterday in the 10 matches I play daily. The only mech I cannot recall seeing recently is a KTO. Also, I'd point out that those three mechs are putting on some age. I have both Dragons and Trebs. I am not currently using them in my rotation because I am working on other chassis (Vindy and Clans). I am not saying that other chassis in their weight ranges are not better, because they are, but that does not make them useless. And after another night with my Vindy, it has only improved.

[Torgun]

Hobo Dan, on 05 September 2014 - 07:05 AM, said:

Who is "we"? I saw all three of those mechs yesterday in the 10 matches I play daily. The only mech I cannot recall seeing recently is a KTO. Also, I'd point out that those three mechs are putting on some age. I have both Dragons and Trebs. I am not currently using them in my rotation because I am working on other chassis (Vindy and Clans). I am not saying that other chassis in their weight ranges are not better, because they are, but that does not make them useless. And after another night with my Vindy, it has only improved.

Are you playing a lot of Conquest maybe? Because I haven't seen a Treb for at least 6 months and I basically just play Skirmish. I don't play a ton of games these days, but at least 100 matches since I last noticed a Treb. Hunchbacks and Centurions I see every few games and they're way older than Trebs. So really I doubt it's a coincidence.

Edited by Torgun, 05 September 2014 - 07:23 AM.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Since the IS streak nerf, I see less and less Kintaro's until now its as rare as seeing a commando running around these days.
Same for the Trebs, they're terrible mechs for mediums, huge hitboxes low armor and pretty unremarkable hardpoints.
For SRM brawlers or LRM boats, shadowhawk and Griffin do both better.

[Bishop Steiner]

Torgun, on 05 September 2014 - 05:27 AM, said:

Frankly it's not reasoning at fault here, you pretty much define DOA literally, pretty much like some define P2W quite inaccurately by simply adding the words together instead of learning of the actual meaning of the term.

That's because the correct interpretation of DoA is literally "Dead on Arrival". Funny how that works.

[mogs01gt]

IMO there is no reason to waste Cbills or money on non-clan mechs unless you are trying to master currently owned mechs.

Any new hero mech that isnt a clan is DOA IMO.

[EyeOne]

mogs01gt, on 05 September 2014 - 08:09 AM, said:

IMO there is no reason to waste Cbills or money on non-clan mechs unless you are trying to master currently owned mechs.

Any new hero mech that isnt a clan is DOA IMO.

Small minds.

[Carrioncrows]

Believe it or not my favorite vindicator build is the 1R

5 medium lasers and a SRM6 with a Max STD engine and rest into armor, jumpers and DHS makes one hell of a fighter.

It can easily be as tough as the shadowhawk

[Hobo Dan]

Torgun, on 05 September 2014 - 07:18 AM, said:

Are you playing a lot of Conquest maybe? Because I haven't seen a Treb for at least 6 months and I basically just play Skirmish. I don't play a ton of games these days, but at least 100 matches since I last noticed a Treb. Hunchbacks and Centurions I see every few games and they're way older than Trebs. So really I doubt it's a coincidence.

So one of your arguments that certain chassis are dead and useless is because you never see them in matches but you segregate yourself from 2/3 of the available game modes?

Edited by Hobo Dan, 05 September 2014 - 08:18 AM.

[Foxwalker]

SgtMagor, on 04 September 2014 - 12:18 PM, said:

would pilot a Vindi before a BJ. everyone has a mech they prefer over another heh!

I get that, but what is it about the Vindicator you prefer over the BlackJack? that is the real question.

[SirSlaughter]

The OT says " DOA "

I don't agree cause I don't see bouncing boobs on the chassis like the console game was

[Bishop Steiner]

Foxwalker, on 05 September 2014 - 08:22 AM, said:

I get that, but what is it about the Vindicator you prefer over the BlackJack? that is the real question.

massively better agility (Obviously this is what I like, not SgtMajor)? It's what I prefer, anyhow. Though I would be hard pressed to say I prefer it to the BJ, mostly because I rather like my Arrow. But otherwise.....oooph, tough. I like the BJs hardpoints a lot better, but I like driving the Vindi more.

Also...:Deputy Dawg paintjob!!!!!! (and my VND-1AA with it's 280, JJs 4x Mlasers and LRM15 has been doing pretty decent for me, as a real obnoxious harasser.

[Bend Bracket]

I think if the OP actually played one he would see they are not DOA. Their arms make great shields for SRM builds and their blend of speed, Hit-Boxes and JJ make for a very durable mech. They can also play the 2xPPC poptart role if you like that sort of thing. Or swap the PPCs for 2xLPulse for some impressive damage. On top of that 2 of the variants have +5% armour all round which helps give CT and leg armour of around 50pts. They are standard engine friendly also.

I have the SIB and 1X, just levelling all basics I have an average win/loss of 1.4 and k/d of 2 on both. Not bad considering during levelling I was playing mainly SHS and slow engines (no money )

[Mavairo]

DOA mech, the Fang. Killing Clanners like tomorrow.

Your Direwolf and Timber Tears are Delicious Coolant for my LPLs and AC10.

I was fiddling with the Vindi on smurfy last night, and if it's STs are like the Shawks, I don't think it's a bad mech by any means.

[Torgun]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 September 2014 - 08:04 AM, said:

That's because the correct interpretation of DoA is literally "Dead on Arrival". Funny how that works.

You're basically making my point, interpreting the expression according to your own way incorrectly as in "you'll always die when you run this mech" or something similar. I've already explained what DOA means and how it's used not only in MWO but games in general. If you refuse to understand it then there's really nothing else for me to say,

Hobo Dan, on 05 September 2014 - 08:18 AM, said:

So one of your arguments that certain chassis are dead and useless is because you never see them in matches but you segregate yourself from 2/3 of the available game modes?

So you're saying there are tons of Trebs in Assault and Conquest because they are somehow a lot better mechs in those modes? Because otherwise I don't see your point.

[EyeOne]

Torgun, on 05 September 2014 - 09:59 AM, said:

You're basically making my point, interpreting the expression according to your own way incorrectly as in "you'll always die when you run this mech" or something similar. I've already explained what DOA means and how it's used not only in MWO but games in general. If you refuse to understand it then there's really nothing else for me to say,

So, wait. Thinking that "Dead on Arrival" means "you'll always die when you run this mech" is wrong? Do you even hear yourself?

[Torgun]

EyeOne, on 05 September 2014 - 10:02 AM, said:

So, wait. Thinking that "Dead on Arrival" means "you'll always die when you run this mech" is wrong? Do you even hear yourself?

OMG, you think DOA means you will always automatically die as soon as you enter the mech? For real?

*mind blown gif*

Don't you guys actually play other games and have been in other game forums?

Edited by Torgun, 05 September 2014 - 10:09 AM.

[EyeOne]

Torgun, on 05 September 2014 - 10:07 AM, said:

OMG, you think DOA means you will always automatically die as soon as you enter the mech? For real?

*mind blown gif*

OK...You are trolling. That explains it.

Well done friend, good troll is good.

[Torgun]

EyeOne, on 05 September 2014 - 10:10 AM, said:

OK...You are trolling. That explains it.

Well done friend, good troll is good.

Lol dude you have totally misunderstood the whole discussion, I'm not trolling at all

[Bishop Steiner]

Torgun, on 05 September 2014 - 09:59 AM, said:

You're basically making my point, interpreting the expression according to your own way incorrectly as in "you'll always die when you run this mech" or something similar. I've already explained what DOA means and how it's used not only in MWO but games in general. If you refuse to understand it then there's really nothing else for me to say,



So you're saying there are tons of Trebs in Assault and Conquest because they are somehow a lot better mechs in those modes? Because otherwise I don't see your point.

DoA means "dead, worthless, non viabvle" form the start.

Since ti it none of those, even your "game speak" attempt to redefine english, fails.

Also, maybe if you took off the training wheels, and challenged yourself tactically by leaving Skirmish, you might encounter mechs other than those that are good at pure brawling/Sniping, etc.

Confining yourself to TDM doesn't really open one up to new experiences. And yes, consistent success on Conquest and Assault outside the underhive, does require a different set of builds and tactics.. and believe it or not, we still fight, a lot.