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[A banana in the tailpipe]

I'm 50/50 on the fence between wanting IS "pure" matches and Clan mechs not being a real issue. What it all boils down to is luck of the draw. Just like rotten matches full of LRM spam, or those dead weight stock players who are just trying to grind up xp and compete, you have to take the good with the bad. Those clan mechs with slow burn weapons aren't much of a problem for my faster IS lights, but if I decide to jump in a huncy all it takes is one triple gauss DW to one shot the hunch from across the map because most IS mechs don't offer enough armor and internals to handle it.

Hot maps, Locust pilots, ClanXL engines, Desync/Disconnects, Lack of ECM, JJ nerfs, Inexperienced PUGs, Bill farmers.... we all have it pretty rough right now and you've just got to accept SOMETHING is going to screw you over EVERY match.

It's a roll of the dice pressing the launch button and the population is too small to support any more segregation.

Edited by lockwoodx, 04 September 2014 - 09:50 AM.

[WonderSparks]

Zynryuk, on 04 September 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

Sometimes games get changed on the base of a request supported by a wide base of players. So why shall I not try to gather one if possible?

IF you can garner enough followers to support your ideal, then by all means, go for it. However, I am very doubtful you will get far with that.
Why? It is simple. Your opinion appears to be a minority, and everyone else seems to be opposed to it.

Reality is far from ideal, O Founder.

[Obadiah333]

Reading between the lines here, I believe the chief complaint that was never expressed directly is this: his spider is getting pwnd by clan streak 6 and he has no way to counter it.

As much as I have played against and with (the cbill clan mechs), I really don't think they are p2w or overtly superior. I will admit that I think the Timber Wolf seems to last a lot longer than it should. It reminds me a great deal of the centurion - it just won't die. That said, there is a counter and counter to that counter for every situation/weapon/mech in this game.

Example - your ecm spider is getting destroyed by clan streaks, granted a bad situation on your part. I'm willing to bet your ecm spider has a field day with say a AC boat Jaegermech. Matchups and tradeoffs. learn and look for the ones that give you an advantage, do your best to avoid ones that don't. Often, that is not always an option, but you have to do your best.

[Zynryuk]

Obadiah333, on 04 September 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

Reading between the lines here, I believe the chief complaint that was never expressed directly is this: his spider is getting pwnd by clan streak 6 and he has no way to counter it.


Example - your ecm spider is getting destroyed by clan streaks, granted a bad situation on your part. I'm willing to bet your ecm spider has a field day with say a AC boat Jaegermech. Matchups and tradeoffs. learn and look for the ones that give you an advantage, do your best to avoid ones that don't. Often, that is not always an option, but you have to do your best.

I was making an example to say it's not on an excuse of the sort ' I am not good enough ' that I based my proposal on because I can indeed make it against a way larger and better armed mech with a small one.

Edited by Zynryuk, 04 September 2014 - 10:00 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I agree with the OP in one respect, since the Clans have launched, I also have not had as much fun. It's how I know game balance is off in one way or another regardless of what people say or want you to believe. It's why I have been advocating a Clan XL nerf or IS energy weapon Buffs (mostly ghost heat reductions or eliminations when it comes to the MLasers).

Still, the OP made a point about how he felt, and then proceeded to dig himself into a hole the more he posted. That never helps to make any point (even if it is just opinion).

[Bilbo]

Mcgral18, on 04 September 2014 - 09:34 AM, said:

Because the Atlas is a bad mech?

Try that with a Pre nerf Victor, or even a current Victor, or Banshee. You'll die pretty fast as well.

Because the Atlas had a bad pilot.

[Clit Beastwood]

Zynryuk, on 04 September 2014 - 09:08 AM, said:

Oh how nice, a douchebag... why don't you go and take your useless thoughts elsewhere?

Well, we could say the same about this thread. You might want to stop replying to obvious troll attempts or they're going to eat you alive.

[Marauder3D]

OP: your demeanor is this thread is much improved. Now just work on not throwing a tantrum in game when your AC20 Shadow Hawk gets flanked by 3 mechs.

FYI: it wasn't my Stormcrow that killed you, it was a Firestarter.

[Clit Beastwood]

Zynryuk, on 04 September 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

I was making an example to say it's not on an excuse of the sort ' I am not good enough ' that I based my proposal on because I can indeed make it against a way larger and better armed mech with a small one.

There were leaderboards for just IS mechs. You weren't on one, so you cannot say, unequivocally, that you're being beaten by clan mechs instead of better pilots. The first step is acknowledging you might not be the pilot that you think you are. It's hard to admit that there might be things you don't know, skills you don't have, but there's always room to improve yourself. Feel free to friend me and we can drop together, maybe we can find why your skill level has plateaued and work to mitigate it. If you're getting wasted by clan streaks, some situational awareness could mitigate that. Sit at 400m plinking with your lasers while their streaks blow up in front of you. Don't be in the open. Be a cockroach.

[Joseph Mallan]

Roland, on 04 September 2014 - 09:14 AM, said:

And basically the only folks who dispute this are folks who are not competent enough to utilize the advantages of the chassis, or who want to try and preserve the advantage conveyed by that chassis over non paying players.

Wrong again. You made a faulty generalization here Roland.

[Mcgral18]

Bilbo, on 04 September 2014 - 10:06 AM, said:

Because the Atlas had a bad pilot.

Well, the trial atlas is bad. Haven't used a normal one in...years?

It's slow and lacks hardpoints, it's outclassed by the Banshee in most regards. Not for missiles, though.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Zynryuk, on 04 September 2014 - 09:27 AM, said:

I am not basing my proposal on that excuse.
I can pretty much manage to take an Atlas down, alone with my spider sometimes, or simply damage it seriously others.
What can I do against clan mechs that vaporize me at sight without even the possibility to turn and avoid?

I have a question.

How are they vaporising you on sight with terrible streak srms you mentioned at the beginning?

And you can't even use that excuse on the exceptionally bad ERLL or PPC dodgeball

[Zynryuk]

DV McKenna, on 04 September 2014 - 10:35 AM, said:

I have a question.

How are they vaporising you on sight with terrible streak srms you mentioned at the beginning?

And you can't even use that excuse on the exceptionally bad ERLL or PPC dodgeball

I had problems with 12 med lasers hitting me at once from Novas too. C-Streak srm is an example of weapon superiority.

Fierostetz, on 04 September 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

There were leaderboards for just IS mechs. You weren't on one, so you cannot say, unequivocally, that you're being beaten by clan mechs instead of better pilots. The first step is acknowledging you might not be the pilot that you think you are. It's hard to admit that there might be things you don't know, skills you don't have, but there's always room to improve yourself. Feel free to friend me and we can drop together, maybe we can find why your skill level has plateaued and work to mitigate it. If you're getting wasted by clan streaks, some situational awareness could mitigate that. Sit at 400m plinking with your lasers while their streaks blow up in front of you. Don't be in the open. Be a cockroach.

Added.

Edited by Zynryuk, 04 September 2014 - 10:42 AM.

[NextGame]

Zynryuk, on 04 September 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:

I had problems with 12 med lasers hitting me at once from Novas too. C-Streak srm is an example of weapon superiority.

If you get killed from a 12ml alpha from a nova then you got killed by a poor player, as they've just fried themselves as well.

So to reiterate once again: whine thread because you died rather than a constructive thread with any real reasoning.

Edited by NextGame, 04 September 2014 - 10:50 AM.

[Fut]

Zynryuk, on 04 September 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:

Added.

Great!
You have taken the first step.
I wish you good luck in your future endeavors. Please be sure to return to the forums to let us know how practice/training with Fierostetz has been going.

Good hunting.

[Scratx]

Zynryuk, on 04 September 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

A division in between Ineer Zone mechs and Clan mechs, that's all. Clan Mechs utilize an overwhelmingly superior barrage of armaments... see timberwolfs with ther uber streak srms while an inner zone mech gets a streak srm 2 at best.

(emphasis mine)

This, Gentlemen, is Exhibit A as to why people who are bad at this game shouldn't be listened to when it comes to balancing concerns.

Has anyone actually seen a Timberwolf with Streak SRMs? I don't recall even a single one. Ever.

Come to think of it, Clan Streaks pretty much suck and very few people even use them.

For crying out loud, at least complain about how that totally OP cERLL totally outranges the IS ERLL and thus needs to be nerfed to the molten core of the Earth. Or the utterly evil cERML, make it hotter than the sun because NERF IT!!!! And let's not forget, Clan UACs need the nerfbat too. 5 shells of 4 damage each is obviously too good for the UAC20, it needs to fire 20 shells of 1 damage each, firing one of them every tenth of a second. YEAH BABY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT! BALANCE AT LAST!!!!!

Seriously, now, L2P.

[Joseph Mallan]

Scratx, on 04 September 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

(emphasis mine)

This, Gentlemen, is Exhibit A as to why people who are bad at this game shouldn't be listened to when it comes to balancing concerns.

Has anyone actually seen a Timberwolf with Streak SRMs? I don't recall even a single one. Ever.

The Timber Wolf D carries 4 SSRM6s.


You didn't specify it had to be in this game only that we had seen one! I have seen...Many!

[Zynryuk]

I met my share of Timberwolfs that poured a cascade of blue srms on others. Plus, why would you assume I am bad at this game?

[Gyrok]

Zynryuk, on 04 September 2014 - 08:44 AM, said:

I want a game withoyt 'pay to win' players who can easily overrun me with their OP clan tech weapons.

And it kind of seems a legit request.

You can do that, as long as I can have a game mode where it is only me and players who have more than 10,000+ drops worth of experience also...

As soon as I get rid of having to carry scrubs, you can get rid of Clan mechs from your game mode.

Fair?

Edited by Gyrok, 04 September 2014 - 11:12 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Zynryuk, on 04 September 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:

I met my share of Timberwolfs that poured a cascade of blue srms on others. Plus, why would you assume I am bad at this game?

Because the request to remove X from the game is generally from those who are unable to adapt to the game. Be it LRMs, PPCs, AC20s et al.