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[Panzerbjorn]

Yay, my mastered Novas are now worthless!

1) Can't keep up with or run away from IS Medium mechs
2) Can't shoot anything or I'll overheat
3) I have more armor but my hitboxes are HUGE compared to IS Mediums
4) No MASC
5) Can't even equip ECM to help compensate for all the other issues
6) Can't even fit 6 more MGs to compensate for lack of being able to use lasers anymore

WTG PGI, another worthless chassis added to the long list. Looks like we should all just be piloting Jenners, Cicadas, Jaegers and Stalkers! Love that variety and viability.

[Panzerbjorn]

ThatDawg, on 06 September 2014 - 04:21 AM, said:

Working as intended, buy the stormcrow when it comes out

The nerfs affected the Stormcrow even worse - the typical build with it is 2 ERLL or 2 ERLP.

[n r g]

elHolgre, on 05 September 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

Are you kidding? You just released the Nova for cbills and then you rediculously nerf it's only strength (lasers)!!??
It's as fragile as a ming vase and has to have a smart heat management even without the increase of heat for the csl and cml! It would have been enough to reduce either their range OR increase their heat output.
Now that i have finally mastered the 3 variants (around 30.000.000 cbills altogether) I can bury them!
Thanks.

It was pretty mediocre even with the medium lasers, in the grand scheme compared to other mechs man.

The Timberwolf and Direwolf are far superior, and the storm crow is superior is aswell IMO.

[kapusta11]

I've just tested it and wow, before patch, if you wait for Ghost Heat penalty to wear off, you could take two consecutive shots even on Terra Therma and now it shuts down on heat neutral maps like Crimson or Canyon. Ggclose PGI.

Edited by kapusta11, 06 September 2014 - 11:10 AM.

[CriticalG]

BAHS, on 05 September 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

Everyone always complains about weapon nerfs. Doesn't matter what the nerf is. Clans are p1ssed off because every variant is now more difficult to use. Anytime the game gets more competitive for everyone people complain. You want to complain, complain about the community not PGI. Stop boating and the nerfs will stop coming.

Plain and simple.

For all those who will complain about my post. I am sorry your "alpha" can't core or kill a mech in one shot anymore. I apologize that a couple of good shots can't create a one sided game where one team is "rolled" by the other. I feel bad for those who spent their hard earned money on a video game (luxury commodity purchased with disposable income) that are furious enough to stop playing the best game that "Battletech" has going for it.

Bottom line: Clan Mechs are SUPPOSED to be better than IS Mechs by 200-300% in RANGE and HEAT MANAGEMENT! Not until the IS Omnimechs come out, which I don't see any pods for my Jaeger yet, do the IS Mechs even start to come close. The guys who bought Clan Mechs with real money, of which I am NOT one, have a right to be p1ssed the **** off. I have to agree with the majority of the posts regarding the Nova, totally worthless piece of cr4p now. Kit Fox rev.2... HEY PGI, FYI - There is A LOT of merit to changing ONE THING AT A TIME! Try it sometime.

Personally, I liked the fact that when I manned up my IS mech, and tore into those $$ Clanners, that I was getting my FTP money's worth. Now its like we just have a bunch of new, different looking, IS mechs running around. Some that even SUCK more than the original IS Mechs.

Hugs and Farts from Freebirth Elite (FBE)

[Cochise]

The nerf was too much. The entire point of clans what that clan tech was better. That was the point.

It has always been that way in battletech and it has been that way in many installments of mechwarrior.

The magnitude of how much better is certainly a good point for discussion and a point of balance that needs to be looked at but lasers have always been a clan thing and this nerf was too much and poorly implemented.

...and just in case you're wondering, I don't even own a clan mech, but i have played all the trial clan mech before and after patch.

The Nova is not a Nova anymore. I don't even know what it is. I agree that a bit of balance was needed to but it seems a bit much...

just my .02 cents

[BVRCWolf]

typical pgi nerf, over react. They do this all the time. wow never have seen such a one sided nerf!

[Willothius]

Syncline, on 05 September 2014 - 12:44 PM, said:

This patch nerfed multiple aspects of each weapon. I will agree that the range nerf is an acceptable one, but also nerfing heat and buffing beam duration is just silly.

Well, ofcourse they do expect you will spend 3.000.000 C-Bills on every penalty-free range module out there, so they basically JUST nerfed the heat and made the game even more money-grinding then it was.. I don't get it, those new weapon modules are basically just an unnecessary tax now!*


*I'm not spending any (fake-)money on 'em! Screw this sh*t, let them make some proper game-mechanics**..


**In fact, screw those weapon modules altogether, fix 'JJ-descending-shake' and Weapon Convergence, you can do it PGI! YES. YOU. CAN!

[Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky]

I haven't played in a while due to RL stuff, but wow... I just read the patch notes and I can't believe what I saw. The hammer comes down hard lately it seems. I don't own a nova, and never intend too, but I can't imagine the pain those pilots are going through.

I own a timber wolf, and have never and will never boat c-mlas, so this doesn't affect me, but I sit here still flabbergasted. I have always preferred IS mechs over clan mechs, love my battlemaster... But this is just icing on the cake. I always thought clan mechs (in lore at least) preferred lasers and LuRMs, but I guess LuRMs uacs and gauss is the true way of the warrior...

I... I really don't know what to say... The hammer too stronk!

[Rose Scented Love Puff]

As much as I've tried to rebuild my Nova into something half way decent since the latest round of nerfs, it's hopeless. The introduction of the Clan mechs into the game rekindled it for me but now my Nova's simply a stripped showroom model and my favourite mech by far...The Stormcrow, is half the beast it used to be !

Edited by Obsidian_Knight, 06 September 2014 - 07:46 PM.

[RustyBolts]

Even running 2 erml, 2 mpl and 2sml will now cause the Nova to overheat even on chain fire. Pretty pathetic considering the Prime had 12 mlasers that you could chain fire almost non stop pre nerf.

[Summon3r]

nice work again PGI, knee jerk reactions with the nerf hammer and more pissed off people. when will you learn.

heat increase on erml completely ridiculous, range reduction understandable.

[Cpt Mooney]

this is weired...
clan mechs get faster speed, higher survivability, superior range, targeting comps etc...
and now ppl whine about well deserved nerfs?
as long as you CANNOT outrun ANY clanmech you at LEAST need superior weapons as IS.
exploit your range and pace or play IS, simple as that.

clanmechs ARE horribly OP oven now after the nerf, thnx to clan xl engines.
darn nova eats twice the beating of even a IS heavy, and you have the friggin NERVE to demand equal weapon efficiency?
what about a new button that simply grants you a win and 500k free cbills when you press it?

Edited by Cpt Mooney, 07 September 2014 - 07:03 AM.

[Bigbacon]

so which elite folks got butt hurt enough to make these nerfs happen?

sad thing is.... you all know the changes are here to stay.

so what like 6 SLs and 2 LBX2/AC2 now?

Edited by Bigbacon, 07 September 2014 - 09:00 AM.

[Tiberius Augustus]

Bigbacon, on 07 September 2014 - 08:56 AM, said:

so which elite folks got butt hurt enough to make these nerfs happen?

sad thing is.... you all know the changes are here to stay.

they can always roll back or override the current patch/update with another patch/update on a later date once they finally notice normalizing across the board makes the game dull and unenjoyable.

[That Dawg]

Cpt Mooney, on 07 September 2014 - 07:00 AM, said:

this is weired...
clan mechs get faster speed, higher survivability, superior range, targeting comps etc...
and now ppl whine about well deserved nerfs?
as long as you CANNOT outrun ANY clanmech you at LEAST need superior weapons as IS.
exploit your range and pace or play IS, simple as that.

clanmechs ARE horribly OP oven now after the nerf, thnx to clan xl engines.
darn nova eats twice the beating of even a IS heavy, and you have the friggin NERVE to demand equal weapon efficiency?
what about a new button that simply grants you a win and 500k free cbills when you press it?

Let me guess, some superior pilot bested you, you couldn't one shot the nova, and you have zero minutes actually running and mastering one?

hey, remember this post?

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remove minrange, make them fire and forget, make tag only visible in night/thermal vision and double the range, lower or remove narc falling off.
damage seems quite ok, what sometimes facemelts ppl is the more coherent fire due to tag/artemis/own visual bonuses stacking (that really hurts alot).
without them ~70% of your missiles wont do {Scrap}, and with the bonusses ~90% seem to actually hit, mostly registered on the ct or side torso components.

just in case youve been to lazy to hop into the testing grounds and stuff...
(does any of you guys at PGI actually TESTPLAY the stuff you design? bc that seriously doesent seem to be the case. *cough* )

Or this one?

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the interesting thing to know would be on how many mechs those "its fine" repliants use the darn thing.
i agree with the op, its not worth the drawbacks.

the subject was Gauss rifles and the OP essentially said, why did you nerf the gauss, make it stronger, faster, more accurate and change the sound so its cooler


yawn, to you, and your near giggly reply to a thread about folks who purchased, took the time to learn, grind and master THREE difficult enough mechs to start with, and suddenly BANG, they become nearly useless because of whiners like, well, like you.

Even as difficult as reading your posts was-typos, grammar, intent, its clear you would enjoy a "win button"
I hated the clan mechs initially, but, guess what? learned how to defeat them and now I'll go out of my way to kill timberwolves and direwhales FOR THAT REASON, with good success

[o0cipher0o]

Cpt Mooney, on 07 September 2014 - 07:00 AM, said:

this is weired...
clan mechs get faster speed, higher survivability, superior range, targeting comps etc...
and now ppl whine about well deserved nerfs?
as long as you CANNOT outrun ANY clanmech you at LEAST need superior weapons as IS.
exploit your range and pace or play IS, simple as that.

clanmechs ARE horribly OP oven now after the nerf, thnx to clan xl engines.
darn nova eats twice the beating of even a IS heavy, and you have the friggin NERVE to demand equal weapon efficiency?
what about a new button that simply grants you a win and 500k free cbills when you press it?

Lolwut? seriously, i use to eat clan mechs in my ISmechs. Now as before the patch. My ac20 BJ rocks, all my IS assaults sherd clan mechs both in brawl or sniping, my IS heavies can go toe to toe with clan mechs just like they can against IS mechs.

Remeber that clan mech can't change engines, type of structure and armor, and have often locked heatsinks and jumpjets. Even with switchable pods, mechs like the nova are incredibly limited buildwise. the biggest ballistic you can put on it is the ac10, having just 3 tons ammo and 3 backup medium lasers. Otherwise, you can put 2 ac2s on it, but those are almost useless.
Oh, and the nova has exactly the same ammount of maximum armor, and internal structure healt, of a IS 50tons medium.

Seriously, have you ever even tried the trial clan mechs? go take a ride with the nova, and let me know how OP it is. Yes, it has a 82 potential alpha, but it can't alpha without overheating. And even chainfiring the lasers the heat goes up really, really fast.
Please, if you're bad, dont go around saying stupid things just because some nova pilot better than you killed you in your heavy.

[Kmieciu]

Hadrogh, on 06 September 2014 - 03:47 AM, said:

Just found this little gem:

Clan ER Small Laser long range (max damage) reduced from 200m to 150m
Clan Small Pulse Laser long range (max damage) reduced from 180m to 150m

"ER" was means what again?
In all honesty, sometimes I'm not sure, wether you guys see the relative change compared to the absolute numbers while you're fixing stuff :/

It means ER Small Laser has 50% more range than IS Small Laser. It deals 33% more damage per beam. It has 23% more DPS.

ER Small Laser has the same DPS as IS Medium Laser (1.23 vs 1.25) and lower HPS (0.92 vs 1).
That means within 150 meters ER SL > IS ML, despite being twice as light. And Nova can have 12 ERSL for 6 tonnes while Hunchback has 9 ML for 9 tonnes.

Nova will beat HBK-4P any day of the week.

[Uncle Totty]

John80sk, on 05 September 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

We're getting pretty close to pillow cannon fights. Nobody can hurt anybody and we'll all just meet at the middle of the map and have mech dance parties.

With UAV Disco Balls?

[Cyborne Elemental]

Nova is unplayable for the role it was intended.
What a steaming pos it is now.
The thing is a glass cannon, has same armor as a trebuchet ffs, and huge bodyparts easily chopped off.
The state it is in now, is laughable, and teamates in pubs that deploy them are now a liability.

Not cool.

Edited by Mister D, 08 September 2014 - 05:33 AM.