35 replies to this topic

[Christof Romulus]

Greetings,

Originally when the clan was announced it was reported that one of the clan limitations was the inability to reallocate armor.

What this boils down to is, clan mechs would be using the armor values from Tabletop (stock armor values).

Currently, Clan mechs routinely outperform mechs of Inner Sphere design in Mechwarrior Online - as evidenced by all data metrics.

I propose that on the Public Test Server, the armor values of the clan mechs should be locked to the default values and tests be performed about balancing between the Inner Sphere and the Clan be done under those conditions.

Clan beat Inner Sphere on heat management - double heatsinks (sometimes allowed in legs) see to that.
Clan beat Inner Sphere on damage done - Whether this be due to simply having higher damage values, or the range advantage, or both the clan mechs simply produce more damage.

So, instead of continuing to tweak the weapons, how about we test tweaking the armor - defense and offence are intimately tied to each other, and so far all the attempts to balance the game have been done by tweaking offense. So, let's try it the other way around, on the PTS at least - see what happens. Maybe we won't need more ghost heat penalties if the Clan mechs are simply slightly more fragile.

[Lootee]

Pointless.

TBR, SCR, DWF NVA will still be as good as ever.

Add Cute Fox to unplayable list.

Edited by Lootee, 12 September 2014 - 09:29 AM.

[Ultimax]

How about we stop finding ways to nerf clan mechs that are ridiculous and stick to small tweaks?

[EyeOne]

This would really only hurt the Summoner and Kit Fox. Everything else is almost at max armor stock anyway.

I don't think making the Summoner and Kit Fox worse are going to help anything.

[Khobai]

A better option would be to just add Light Fusion Engines a few years early. That would balance out Clan and IS in a huge way.

[Carrie Harder]

This would completely and permanently kill the Cute Fox and Suckoner. The Badder would also be hurt because it would have less leg armor and its torso armor wouldn't be frontloaded as much as lights should (i.e. 5 or less rear armor). Many future Omnimechs with less than max stock armor would also be gimped, because max frontloaded armor isn't a choice in MWO -- it's a necessity.

[Wintersdark]

EyeOne, on 12 September 2014 - 09:30 AM, said:

This would really only hurt the Summoner and Kit Fox. Everything else is almost at max armor stock anyway.

I don't think making the Summoner and Kit Fox worse are going to help anything.

This.

Posted idea is ridiculous and poorly considered.

Further, let the last round of clan nerfs settle in before crying about OPedness.

[Voidcrafter]

I've tried testing some stuff yesterday - played almost only IS mechs - Shadowhawks, Cataphracts, that kinda stuff - cant' say I see the issue most of the players are having with clan mechs.
I admit - it was a bit more challenging but I was still wrecking things and killing a TBRs felt really, really good(knowing how they feel since I mostly pilot one).
I did the tests in connection with the fact that CW will disallow you to pick clan mechs if your faction don't allow it - will continue to do that, but either way - can we please finally stop this sheet?
One is good or bad - what mech one's piloting changes quite few things.

[Augustus Martelus II]

With the current system and all the nerfing and balancing....its a no.

Armor are already TWICE the normal value for mechs. so its already not Tabletop

[Bhael Fire]

Survey says....


No.

[Metus regem]

Christof Romulus, on 12 September 2014 - 09:24 AM, said:

Greetings,

Originally when the clan was announced it was reported that one of the clan limitations was the inability to reallocate armor.

What this boils down to is, clan mechs would be using the armor values from Tabletop (stock armor values).

Currently, Clan mechs routinely outperform mechs of Inner Sphere design in Mechwarrior Online - as evidenced by all data metrics.

I propose that on the Public Test Server, the armor values of the clan mechs should be locked to the default values and tests be performed about balancing between the Inner Sphere and the Clan be done under those conditions.

Clan beat Inner Sphere on heat management - double heatsinks (sometimes allowed in legs) see to that.
Clan beat Inner Sphere on damage done - Whether this be due to simply having higher damage values, or the range advantage, or both the clan mechs simply produce more damage.

So, instead of continuing to tweak the weapons, how about we test tweaking the armor - defense and offence are intimately tied to each other, and so far all the attempts to balance the game have been done by tweaking offense. So, let's try it the other way around, on the PTS at least - see what happens. Maybe we won't need more ghost heat penalties if the Clan mechs are simply slightly more fragile.

DAFQU?

You do know that they have fixed armour and structure slots right? They have fixed Engine sizes and fixed heatsinks right? Some poor mechs even have fixed jumpjets...

I find it odd, that the omni mechs are more resticted in what they can do than the IS battle mechs, that really shouldn't be as modable to the degree that they are.

[Augustus Martelus II]

+ weapons doesnt work like tabletop

If they would do that armor limitation (with the current system), you wouldn't see clans mechs anymore

[Christof Romulus]

Woah there, everyone calm down!

I own clan mechs too - I was merely suggesting something to try on the TEST server, nothing LIVE.

Also, if clan mechs ended up being too vulnerable, then perhaps the solution would be to undo some of the recent 'tweaks' to their weapons...

As for the majority of clan mechs coming into the game with max armor - that's less to the point than you think - How many of you use stock armor config on your clan mechs instead of rolling some of that rear armor to the front? Be honest =P

[Augustus Martelus II]

+ i m able to kill easily a clan mech with my IS mechs so they arent that hard to kill.

Piloting a clan mech otherwise ask a little more skills

and anyways if you put max armor to your clan mech....you reduce the free weight for weapons.

[Metus regem]

I add 2 points, take two points of the head and one off of rear CT to bring front center CT upto 75 on my Timberwolf...

TBR-PRIME

That's how I run her, and she's a lean mean killing machine.

[Joseph Mallan]

I am of both Minds. I can see letting them change armor from a player's standpoint. From a rules standpoint they should not. I am a old school player.

[Hagoromo Gitsune]

Augustus Martelus II, on 12 September 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

+ weapons doesnt work like tabletop

LOL~WuuT!? They don't throw a dice?

Table-Top is/was ruining Battletech Universe. Skip dat crap and drag it to your mom.

[Joseph Mallan]

Hagoromo Gitsune, on 12 September 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

LOL~WuuT!? They don't throw a dice?

Table-Top is/was ruining Battletech Universe. Skip dat crap and drag it to your mom.

that game evolved the universe...Seriously.

[Hagoromo Gitsune]

Joseph Mallan, on 12 September 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

that game evolved the universe...Seriously.

Not really... we still having balance and lack of mechs/maps/game modes issues. This game is arcade, like WarThunder, so get used to, kids. And actually TT does ruined LORE a lot.

For exsample... AutoCannons in LORE. Nasty, powerfull as hell, but in TT-based games? 10-20 damage!? Are U fkin' joking???
KGC with dual AC20 just litterally was able to blew any mech out of it's pants... but in TT??? 2x20 damage...pfff. That is poor and rude against the lore. So forget that TT bullcrap, it's for f4ggets.

Edited by Hagoromo Gitsune, 12 September 2014 - 10:37 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Hagoromo Gitsune, on 12 September 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

Not really... we still having balance and lack of mechs/maps/game modes issues. This game is arcade, like WarThunder, so get used to, kids. And actually TT does ruined LORE a lot.

For exsample... AutoCannons in LORE. Nasty, powerfull as hell, but in TT-based games? 10-20 damage!? Are U fkin' joking???
KGC with dual AC20 just litterally was able to blew any mech out of it's pants... but in TT??? 2x20 damage...pfff. That is poor and rude against the lore. So forget that TT bullcrap, it's for f4ggets.

lol KC only did that if you let it get to 9 hexs. I cannot tell you the last time I died to one. And from my 25 years the game drives lore. Specially the last decade. I ran multiple events that influenced the lore. Including my daughter and 11 other players becoming canon characters.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 12 September 2014 - 10:43 AM.