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[Kiiyor]

151st Light Horse Regiment, on 13 September 2014 - 03:09 AM, said:

I've only got c-bills, but at the moment, have about 17 million. I've got a nova, stalker and Jager, but I could only stand to sell the Nova, not the other two.

I've been waiting for the DWF to come out for c-bills, because I like big, heavy mechs with lots of weapons.

However, I love using clanmechs but the nova and KFX are a bit weak for me. Too light and too soft.

Is it worth spending on the Thor? The problem is, the price. It's very expensive and I don't know the price of the DWF but I bet it's going to be very high.

Shall I spend bills on the thor, sell it at a huge loss then grind for ages when the DWF comes out, or shall I just wait a few more weeks, skip the Thor and buy the DWF immeidately?

IMHO, the Thor, Nova and Fox are by far the weakest mechs in the Clan Pantheon. The StormCrow is flat out amazing, the MadCat may very well be the best designed mech in the game, and the Direwolf and often underestimated Warhawk are amazing weapon platforms.

I'd say wait. I purchased the Nova and Thor, and they will forever gather dust in my garage as I tear around the battlefield in my beloved Crow.

I'd say wait for the Dwolf, though I shudder at the thought of more of those destroyers walking the battlefield.

[WonderSparks]

I am reading what others are saying about the Summoner, and I have to say it is indeed a bit of a tricky 'Mech to work with.
I have a 5xLRM 5+Artemis build that works well if it gets into a good situation, though naturally it is terribly weak up close.

At the end of the day, I think you would definitely want to save up for something a bit bigger, or at least with more hardpoints. (My Stormcrow runs the exact same build plus an ER ML in the head, so at least it has a bit of backup firepower)

[MechB Kotare]

No. Its is a s*** mech. True story bro. Fixed JJs are limiting its potential. TBR > CTF > SMN > Orion.

Coming from competitive player. If you like derpypuggy and call it fun, then please ignore my reply, and play s*** mechs, my comment has no meaning for you.

Edited by MechB Kotare, 13 September 2014 - 05:35 AM.

[tayhimself]

MechB Kotare, on 13 September 2014 - 05:34 AM, said:

No. Its is a s*** mech. True story bro. Fixed JJs are limiting its potential. TBR > CTF > SMN > Orion.

Coming from competitive player. If you like derpypuggy and call it fun, then please ignore my reply, and play s*** mechs, my comment has no meaning for you.

I'd like to change that to derpugerry

[Kmieciu]

Summoner is a slight upgrade over the Dragon:
DRG-1C Gauss 4xML SRM6
SMN-D Gauss 4xERML SRM6

Same speed, more armor, jump jets, better hit boxes, XL that's twice as durable.
Higher max DPS, but lower sustained DPS.

If you do well in a Dragon, then the Summoner is for you. Because you are probably not a competitive player.

Edited by Kmieciu, 13 September 2014 - 05:52 AM.

[TB Freelancer]

Kilo 40, on 13 September 2014 - 03:25 AM, said:

keep your money and save up for the timberwolf or the stormcrow

Of the clan mechs, the timberwolf and stormcrow are easiest to do well in. The direwolf while capable of tremendous damage or alpha output, has obnoxiously poor maneuverability and takes a very different approach to succeed with on a regular basis. That said, I love the direwolf.

[Satan n stuff]

151st Light Horse Regiment, on 13 September 2014 - 03:09 AM, said:

I've only got c-bills, but at the moment, have about 17 million. I've got a nova, stalker and Jager, but I could only stand to sell the Nova, not the other two.

I've been waiting for the DWF to come out for c-bills, because I like big, heavy mechs with lots of weapons.

However, I love using clanmechs but the nova and KFX are a bit weak for me. Too light and too soft.

Is it worth spending on the Thor? The problem is, the price. It's very expensive and I don't know the price of the DWF but I bet it's going to be very high.

Shall I spend bills on the thor, sell it at a huge loss then grind for ages when the DWF comes out, or shall I just wait a few more weeks, skip the Thor and buy the DWF immeidately?

Skip it if you want to get the Dire Wolf, it takes a while to make enough cbills to buy a clan assault and the Summoner is one of the least effective clan mechs. It can do some halfway decent sniping or LRM, SRM or streak SRM boating, but when it comes to that it's vastly inferior to the Timberwolf and Stormcrow, so you might want to wait for those instead.
If however you want a reasonably tough and agile clan mech ASAP, you'll definitely want to buy it.

[Felbombling]

Two things I'll tell you about the Summoner. One, at 70 tons, it cannot reach the same height with five tons of Jump Jets as the 80 ton Victor can with four tons of Jump Jets. Two, it is one Mech that screams 'balance pass' for some bonus quirks to offset the lack of Endo-Steel or removable Jump Jets.

Despite those limitations, I have enjoyed playing it.

[CaptainFuture]

hi!

i use mine very successfully als lrm-supporter, 2 er med, 35 lrms + artemis, 8,5 t of ammo. usually do like 700-900dmg per round.
that is pretty much the only role it is good at. but its not worth 14mil cbills. maybe half of it at best. if you like assault, wait for the direwolf. i bought it a la carte and i don't regret it yet. its a monster!

bye,

CaptainFuture

[Asyres]

The Summoner suffers from lack of Endo/Ferro, fixed jump jets, and limited hardpoints. I'd skip it.

WonderSparks, on 13 September 2014 - 05:30 AM, said:

I am reading what others are saying about the Summoner, and I have to say it is indeed a bit of a tricky 'Mech to work with.
I have a 5xLRM 5+Artemis build that works well if it gets into a good situation, though naturally it is terribly weak up close.

Why would you use 5ALRM5? 2ALRM15 is lighter, more heat efficient, higher DPS, and provides better AMS penetration. Oh, and it doesn't use ALL of your possible hardpoints.

Edited by Asyres, 13 September 2014 - 07:05 AM.

[151st Light Horse Regiment]

Ok guys, thanks very much. I'd feel so bad if i spent a huge chunk of 18mil c-bills on something I didnt like.

Guess I'll wait for the Daishi then

Also, what is deemed to be so good about the crow? isn't it only 50 tonnes or something? I just look at it like a slightly better hunch or something.

[JackPoint]

thors a support boat, as they didn't include the brawler variant C, you're stuck at the back o the bus *********** to Britney spears songs.

[Scratx]

151st Light Horse Regiment, on 13 September 2014 - 07:09 AM, said:

Ok guys, thanks very much. I'd feel so bad if i spent a huge chunk of 18mil c-bills on something I didnt like.

Guess I'll wait for the Daishi then

Also, what is deemed to be so good about the crow? isn't it only 50 tonnes or something? I just look at it like a slightly better hunch or something.

Stormcrow, at 55t, has both endo and ferro and can hit 107kph with speed tweak. Lacks JJ's but is a mobile mofo otherwise. Good overall hitboxes, decent armor, good hardpoints (including a HEAD mounted laser option). It is a perfect storm (get it? ) of good mobility, firepower and armor. Any mistake you make in positioning you can quickly compensate for, with enough armor to survive it. And enough pod-space to pack a large punch.

The Doomcrow may very well be the best clanmech, and only the Timberwolf really gives it competition for the title. Between those two it's hard to tell which is better.

Kiiyor, on 13 September 2014 - 05:29 AM, said:

IMHO, the Thor, Nova and Fox are by far the weakest mechs in the Clan Pantheon. The StormCrow is flat out amazing, the MadCat may very well be the best designed mech in the game, and the Direwolf and often underestimated Warhawk are amazing weapon platforms.

I'd say wait. I purchased the Nova and Thor, and they will forever gather dust in my garage as I tear around the battlefield in my beloved Crow.

I'd say wait for the Dwolf, though I shudder at the thought of more of those destroyers walking the battlefield.

Wait, are you telling me the Cute Fox is worse than the Badder?

WHAT.

[Xenon Codex]

I'd suggest waiting for the trial mech version to come out. I don't own any clan mechs and considered the Nova, but was severely unimpressed with the Kitfox and Nova trials (used them to get the GXP bonus with 5 trial wins). I'm currently waiting for the Stormcrow as I'm a medium pilot and hope it resonates with me.

Edited by XenonCx, 13 September 2014 - 07:59 AM.

[Zypher]

Another thing to note, the Summoner does not carry Endo Steel, so it is also losing some tonnage. The Nova likewise doesn't carry ES or FF, but people would really complain if it did using all those hardpoints.

Clans mechs without ES and FF are a waste, especially the ES.

Edited by Zypher, 13 September 2014 - 08:11 AM.

[kapusta11]

95% of the mechs without Endo Steel are useless, especially so if they trade firepower for unnecessary JJ's.

[Kiiyor]

Scratx, on 13 September 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

Stormcrow, at 55t, has both endo and ferro and can hit 107kph with speed tweak. Lacks JJ's but is a mobile mofo otherwise. Good overall hitboxes, decent armor, good hardpoints (including a HEAD mounted laser option). It is a perfect storm (get it? ) of good mobility, firepower and armor. Any mistake you make in positioning you can quickly compensate for, with enough armor to survive it. And enough pod-space to pack a large punch.

The Doomcrow may very well be the best clanmech, and only the Timberwolf really gives it competition for the title. Between those two it's hard to tell which is better.



Wait, are you telling me the Cute Fox is worse than the Badder?

WHAT.

I was surprised too, but it does appear worse, at least from a damage and kills perspective.

[Carrie Harder]

Suckoner, Bummoner

[Ultimax]

KHETTI, on 13 September 2014 - 03:34 AM, said:

In other words the Summoner isn't a crutch like the SC/TW, it requires skill and flair to pull off.

Please don't steer another player wrong based on either what is bias or nostalgia, or whatever.

The Summoner has multiple design issues that hold it back.

It is a mediocre mech at best, and in no way does it fit what the OP is saying they look for in a mech.

Anyone "with skill" can pull off more in other mechs.


The Summoner has:

> Poor available tonnage
> Mediocre to poor hardpoint options
> Bad hitboxes

Edited by Ultimatum X, 13 September 2014 - 08:42 AM.

[Ngamok]

I do well in my Summoners and I've always loved the design of it which is why I spent $90 for my Clan package. Save your C-Bills from what I gather from your opening post and wait for the Direwolf in a couple of weeks. That way you don't regret it.