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[M3 SABLE]

Mcgral18, on 14 September 2014 - 11:02 AM, said:

This bad thinks weapons take skill to use in MWO...

Is that how you do it?

Maybe you should play something beside your lovely lrm boat, and try to hit lights running at 147 km/h, with a post-nerf PPC or AC20.

You will get a sense of what "aiming" is, for once.

[Bront]

EboneezeeR, on 14 September 2014 - 10:44 AM, said:

They love not a game, but a some mech or some fraction. We all know that, admit it.

So, you're saying we shouldn't have an elected player council named simply because you feel that no one is capable of every being unbiased enough to balance things?

Remember, PGI is looking for something that most players can agree on, and is reasonable in their opinion as well. You're talking like it's going to be solutions like "Only Lao mechs can use ECM, and Balistics are now the sole properly of Davian".

The alternitive is to simply let PGI continue to balance things with no player input. How successful has that been so far?

[ApolloKaras]

Unikron, on 14 September 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

Seeing the loudmouths, to potentially be elected into the council, I am definitely voting against.

Who are you referring to? Many of those people whom you reference are banned.

I'm also not sure if you're clear on what the council will be doing. They are simply pitching all the ideas and making the arguments for these ideas. You can't have everyone in the community make the argument. Its too disjointed.

Edited by Saxie, 14 September 2014 - 11:09 AM.

[Mcgral18]

Unikron, on 14 September 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

Maybe you should play something beside your lovely lrm boat, and try to hit lights running at 147 km/h, with a post-nerf PPC or AC20.

You will get a sense of what "aiming" is, for once.

Are you that much of a Bad that you can't hit a light with an AC20?

GG, Get Gud.


Also, I feel I should add, I don't use Lurm boats. I use lasers and Dakka. I generally use Pulse lasers to add a bit of a challenge to MWO, since it's a pretty damn easy game. Sometimes I take a 22 tube SHD out for fun, or an Ember.

My favourite is certainly the WubShee though.

[ApolloKaras]

Mcgral18, on 14 September 2014 - 11:11 AM, said:

Are you that much of a Bad that you can't hit a light with an AC20?

GG, Get Gud.


Also, I feel I should add, I don't use Lurm boats. I use lasers and Dakka. I generally use Pulse lasers to add a bit of a challenge to MWO, since it's a pretty damn easy game. Sometimes I take a 22 tube SHD out for fun, or an Ember.

My favourite is certainly the WubShee though.

You should just put the smurfy link in your signature lol

[Mahoromatic]

Nice stand alone Hagoromo, R35P3CT M4N!

[Egomane]

If you are unable to communicate with each other, without insults, I'll take this thread away. This will be my only warning!

[Sarlic]

I want to make the community move.

PGI could investigate, research and present community made idea's.

Make a Saturday poll. Each Saturday the community will be presentated by proposed idea's. Let the community vote.

I dont want a council to vote for me. Or whatever.

The 3PV clearly showed that nobody wanted the tweak, but PGI implented anyway.

I hope PGI changed now and we can bring the community vote back.

[Mcgral18]

Saxie, on 14 September 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

You should just put the smurfy link in your signature lol

I wanted to, but it doesn't fit.

[Mahoromatic]

Egomane, on 14 September 2014 - 11:13 AM, said:

If you are unable to communicate with each other, without insults, I'll take this thread away. This will be my only warning!

Will'ya just ....-off from here if you didn't learn the Reddit lesson. People got right to post their oppinion.

Edited by Mahoromatic, 14 September 2014 - 11:23 AM.

[Egomane]

Opinion, yes! Insults, ad hominem or worse? No!
You should be able to express your opinion without attacking others.

If you are unable to learn that lesson, I'll have to teach you!

[Mudhutwarrior]

Egomane, on 14 September 2014 - 11:13 AM, said:

If you are unable to communicate with each other, without insults, I'll take this thread away. This will be my only warning!

Take the thread away? How bout going after those trying to trash it?

The old ways are not going to work much longer so please stop supporting the thread hit teams. And you and i both know that score well.

[ApolloKaras]

Mcgral18, on 14 September 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

I wanted to, but it doesn't fit.

https://goo.gl/

[Egomane]

Mudhutwarrior, on 14 September 2014 - 11:26 AM, said:

Take the thread away? How bout going after those trying to trash it?

The old ways are not going to work much longer so please stop supporting the thread hit teams. And you and i both know that score well.

As the attacks have come from both sides, my warning goes to both!

[stjobe]

Perhaps it would help the OP and the others arguing against the "council" if they knew it was Russ that suggested we formed one:

Russ Bullock, on 12 September 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

Okay how about this, this is what many of you have been waiting for:

Well first a question: Do you think you the community can come to an agreed upon consensus? One in which if the changes are implemented everyone says great job PGI on listening to us now we feel great about ECM and your ability to listen to feedback?

If the answer is Yes then I suggest the following:

You the community decide how your going to present a proposal, nominate a peer that you feel has the best handle on this, put together your own player council whatever you like but present a proposal that your peers vote on. The vote would likely need to be far greater than just 51% in favor. Perhaps something more like 80+%

At that point PGI will analyze the proposal, if we see any technical problems or balance problems that we feel perhaps you didnt see, we will point those items out to you. Then if necessary you can adjust your proposal and put it to a vote again, if successful PGI will again analyze and repeat if necessary until we have a final design solution for implementation.

PGI will then communicate how long it will take to implement with full explanation as to why, and we will patch the changes in upon the agreed upon delivery date. Once complete if this whole process has gone smoothly and civily we will proceed with doing things like this far more frequently or at least for other areas of the product that are controversial.

What do you say?

For what it's worth, he didn't specify it had to be a "player council", but he does want to see a single proposal that the community agrees on, put together by the community. If it's viable, he'll have the devs implement it.

[KingCobra]

No this is a good thread and many want it closed just take away the offenders and leave the thread please.

(For what it's worth, he didn't specify it had to be a "player council", but he does want to see a single proposal that the community agrees on, put together by the community. If it's viable, he'll have the devs implement it. )


Your right and many have said no player counsel and lets have the mods pull together all reasonable pros or cons on ECM from the community and have ain-game vote yes or no on it 1 vote per account I see this as a valid way to attack the ECM problem.The game designers and staff should be able to do this easily and fairly.

Edited by KingCobra, 14 September 2014 - 11:35 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Egomane, on 14 September 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

As the attacks have come from both sides, my warning goes to both!

I understand but sometimes you need to make a decision on who is starting it. Blanket trashing threads only caters to those who practice trashing them. Quite a few here do that on a regular basis like the old sending to K-town crowd.

It comes out looking like bias after a while.

[Lukoi Banacek]

EvilCow, on 14 September 2014 - 10:53 AM, said:

PGI could have fixed the ECM themselves, they didn't and finally suggested the community to make proposals, thus the council is required.

It will be a one-task thing.

In no way is an entreaty to build consensus on a singular issue such as ECM a requirement for a council or committee...nor did Russoffer it up as more than a suggestion. There is a great deal of self-aggrandizing ego around here that is very quick turn his optional idea into a mandate.

The NGNG guys likely do not want to hurt balance in this game either but clearly their access is having unintended consequences in gameplay like it or not.

Options can be debated, provided and voted on (to determine if there is consensus) more readily than can a council be found that represents the views of this community. All too often a committe can find itself promoting agendas with no actual consensus from the community they claim to represent because lo and behold "they know better."

Plus they are just as likely to gain consensuse via polls as they are any other method.

[kapusta11]

Saxie, on 14 September 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

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Who are you referring to? Many of those people whom you reference are banned.

I'm also not sure if you're clear on what the council will be doing. They are simply pitching all the ideas and making the arguments for these ideas. You can't have everyone in the community make the argument. Its too disjointed.

There are very few people who can actually make an argument in the first place.

[Mudhutwarrior]

stjobe, on 14 September 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

Perhaps it would help the OP and the others arguing against the "council" if they knew it was Russ that suggested we formed one:


For what it's worth, he didn't specify it had to be a "player council", but he does want to see a single proposal that the community agrees on, put together by the community. If it's viable, he'll have the devs implement it.

If we had the tools to do what he asked a council would not be needed. Maybe a poll of the leading ideas then a runoff with the community. It still doesn't address the fact the majority in game will have no clue till they read the patch notes. We need to be able to move to in game polling, It would push many over to the forums to get informed and increase the number here too. Fresh blood would help here a great deal.