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[Kjudoon]

Yep. That toggle was a great addition. I still don't mount AMS though because I need ammo for my LRMs more and that 1.5 tons doesn't do as much for me as cover and ECM. See, I do what I hate other players to do to me when I'm launching LRMs. Seems to work very well.

[Sorbic]

Tichorius Davion, on 17 September 2014 - 06:13 AM, said:

Pretty sure that's not the exact argument my friend.

Zeratul seems to believe the main issue is LRM's. Some other folks think it is ECM.

For the most part the problem is both. Both have HUGE fundamental issues because they are in a hard counter relationship.

No one is ignoring that LRM's do damage. It just isn't main point of the argument which is that it is not purely LRM's or ECM that causes this issue but how the gameplay mechanics force it to be an either or situation.

https://docs.google....c3APiROIr4/edit

Here are some of the suggested solutions which are pretty nice.

Many people are talking about ECM and LRMs in a reasonable and thoughtful manner. My comment was directed at those, and there are plenty, who pretend like they never have issues with LRMs because, skill.

[Wolfways]

DarthRevis, on 17 September 2014 - 10:56 AM, said:

If you think Radar Derp is useless you need a lesson sir. There is a reason its on just about every mech i run (as well as 98% of my groups mechs) outside of ECM variants.

Radar Derp is like mini ECM....well as long as you are out of LOS. Lock breaks instantly the second i go behind cover and the LRM no longer guide to you after that point. Just watch em fly by...

Yeah i know what it does, but it's still worthless for me. Well, maybe not completely worthless, but compared to other modules it is, seeing as i generally don't get hit much by LRM's anyway.
LRM's are so bad in MWO imo that using terrain to move around just makes them useless.

[LordSkeletor]

I Zeratul I, on 15 September 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

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Thus, I'm declaring the period of time from now till ECM changes go into effect the: LRM LOLOCAUST ERA.

I will be on a lot.

I will drop often in LRM boats.

The pain will be real. The tears of my victims will be drowned in LOL's.

People will remember why ECM is necessary and realize those calling for ECM to be nerfed are most certainly incorrect in their assessments.

I call upon you, the community to do the same.

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Dude..if you can't avoid LRM-a-geddon; I suggest you change your build. LRM boats are easy targets.

[Revis Volek]

Sorbic, on 17 September 2014 - 11:34 AM, said:

Many people are talking about ECM and LRMs in a reasonable and thoughtful manner. My comment was directed at those, and there are plenty, who pretend like they never have issues with LRMs because, skill.

I dont see anyone saying they are so GOOD that they have LRM shield because of Skill level. No one has claimed they are the LRM ninja. (yet )

We claimed that playing smart, Having a good logistical feel for the map, knowing where cover is (if it is actually cover and not just a round hill which doesn't stop LRMs) and moving from COVER TO COVER pretty much makes LRM's useless.

Wolfways, on 17 September 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

Yeah i know what it does, but it's still worthless for me. Well, maybe not completely worthless, but compared to other modules it is, seeing as i generally don't get hit much by LRM's anyway.
LRM's are so bad in MWO imo that using terrain to move around just makes them useless.

And their it is....if you play smart the WHOLE TIME ( i like to run a muck and be that butterfly everyone chases) and USE COVER RELIGIOUSLY you look at Radar Derp and go ?

I know a few other that get away without it as well other then the occasional LRM wave on Caustic. Play style also curbs modules as well as builds. Maybe Wolfways should start some LRM DODGING Focus groups?!? lolz

Edited by DarthRevis, 17 September 2014 - 12:01 PM.

[Wolfways]

DarthRevis, on 17 September 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

I dont see anyone saying they are so GOOD that they have LRM shield because of Skill level. No one has claimed they are the LRM ninja. (yet )

We claimed that playing smart, Having a good logistical feel for the map, knowing where cover is (if it is actually cover and not just a round hill which doesn't stop LRMs) and moving from COVER TO COVER pretty much makes LRM's useless.


And their it is....if you play smart the WHOLE TIME ( i like to run a muck and be that butterfly everyone chases) and USE COVER RELIGIOUSLY you look at Radar Derp and go ?

I know a few other that get away without it as well other then the occasional LRM wave on Caustic. Play style also curbs modules as well as builds. Maybe Wolfways should start some LRM DODGING Focus groups?!? lolz

lol I've tried to explain it on the forums but i just don't know how. It could be because it just comes naturally to me after years of playing the Battlefield games. Playing a squishy recon-sniper class means learning to move around the map undetected until you're in a good position to fire/recon, then move again.
I think the biggest problem for many players is they rely on staying out of LOS, but missiles can still hit you if they've cleared the terrain before LOS is lost. Hugging terrain means LRM's very rarely hit you as they instead hit the terrain.

[Coolant]

hate screenshots of scoreboards....like it proves anything...

[DEN_Ninja]

Coolant, on 17 September 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

hate screenshots of scoreboards....like it proves anything...

It does prove one thing. E-peens.

[Sorbic]

DarthRevis, on 17 September 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

I dont see anyone saying they are so GOOD that they have LRM shield because of Skill level. No one has claimed they are the LRM ninja. (yet )

"[...] pretty much makes LRM's useless."

Edited by Sorbic, 17 September 2014 - 02:15 PM.

[Calamus]

kamiko kross, on 17 September 2014 - 09:34 AM, said:

Just a point for the sake of devil's advocacy:
You had yourself and a few others all equip ams and associated modules just to counter one specific weapon type. Because it appeared to be such an issue for some of your guys.

Just a point I felt needed to be raised.
If you were shooting down almost all of the lrms, then you were not getting lrmed much:) When some of our guys decide to roll lrms in a lance (you are looking at around lrm 220 ish ALL on one target....), your 5 ams would not be enough, not nearly enough....
AMS only works really if you are not under heavy attack from lrms, anything serious and it gets overwhelmed REALLY fast. I'll often use a lrm5 spammer just to eat enemy ams ammo up-whilst team mates with multiple lrm 60+ go to town unhindered.
In some matches, my cutefox has gone through 4 tons of ammo in under 2 minutes flat....it's a very much last ditch option...cover and ecm are first in my opinion:)

So it sounds what you're saying is that there is a counter to everything. How does that invalidate what I said? LRMs have never been a problem for me. I've played the game for 2 years now, and It's never been a problem. Between cover, radar dep, ECM, and AMS there are more than enough counters to LRMs that they are hardly overpowered. People are underpowered. That's the problem.